Liberals - "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy,"

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Right, now it seem to be only a Conservative attack on Liberals.

And what's the matter with that, given their history of gun control legislation?

There is nothing redemptive about today's political liberalism.
 
cbsbyte said:
I don't care if he is from the Hoover Inst, All I want to know is where he is getting his information. If it is proven to be accurate up to date information, I will take back what I said. Untill he shows his documented sorces, I am not going to take any of his book as accurate or truthful. Right, now it seem to be only a Conservative attack on Liberals. Oh, by the way Fox news is eating this up. Both the O'Reily Factor, the Morning show and Neil's show mentioned this book. Through none of the reporters even asked where he got his information.

So, what was your opinion of "Rush Limbaugh is a big Fat Idiot" and "Lies and the Lying Liars that Tell Them?"

Both thoroughly researched and documented books by Al Franken :banghead:

BTW when a liberal writes a book, the LMSM trips all over itself getting the author on the all the morning shows, talk shows, etc. Have you heard ANY mention of this book or Michelle Malkin's book on the alphabet networks? (ABC, NBC et al)
 
jfh said:
Right, now it seem to be only a Conservative attack on Liberals.

And what's the matter with that, given their history of gun control legislation?

There is nothing redemptive about today's political liberalism.

Lets hope that the liberals out there have short memories. It is all to easy to dehumanize your opposition...which is all well and good when you have the upper hand.

Politics swing like a pendulum. We won't always be in charge.
 
BTW when a liberal writes a book, the LMSM trips all over itself getting the author on the all the morning shows, talk shows, etc. Have you heard ANY mention of this book or Michelle Malkin's book on the alphabet networks? (ABC, NBC et al)

The last time I saw Malkin on TV she was getting shut down by Tweety when she spouted some nonsense about how the japanese were really hap, hap, happy to be interned for their own safety. snort

I think most folks don't take her seriously. I have never heard her mentioned ONCE in an actual newsroom. Of course, actual NEWS and pontificators aren't in the same place at the same time, so that might be why.
 
R.H. Lee said:
Considering we don't act like we're 'in charge' now, nothing much will change.

That ain't the Dem's fault. Go blame the leaders of the Republicans. Oh, wait...they don't HAVE to take blame. Its easier to blame Clinton(s) or make jokes about Teddy. or show photoshops of government leaders. Very high road.

Sorry, but this is starting to turn into Newsmax Lite. Bash the Dems on EVERYTHING. Why? Cuz they all HATE GUNS! Thats reason enough to post inflamatory statements and call people names. Again...so High Road.

Frustrated...married to a pro gun dem in a pro gun Dem state governed by a Marine Vet with a pro gun Dem party platform...and a few LOUD anti-gun dems.
 
That ain't the Dem's fault. Go blame the leaders of the Republicans. Oh, wait...they don't HAVE to take blame. Its easier to blame Clinton(s) or make jokes about Teddy. or show photoshops of government leaders. Very high road.
Just 'cause you're conflicted, JJpdxpinkpistols, doesn't mean everyone else is. Most of us KNOW who the real enemy is and it's the Democrats, who by the way, are completely unable to form any kind of coherent opposition party whatsoever, which is the reason the Republicans get away with the crap they do.
 
R.H. Lee said:
Just 'cause you're conflicted, JJpdxpinkpistols, doesn't mean everyone else is. Most of us KNOW who the real enemy is and it's the Democrats, who by the way, are completely unable to form any kind of coherent opposition party whatsoever, which is the reason the Republicans get away with the crap they do.

Silly me.

I always thought that the forces of tyranny and communists and maybe terrorists were the enemy.

maybe I will go into a re-education camp so that you can edumicate me as to who the REAL enemy is.
 
Bash the Dems on EVERYTHING. Why? Cuz they all HATE GUNS! Thats reason enough to post inflamatory statements and call people names. Again...so High Road.


You are quite correct. It IS enough to bash the Dems on EVERYTHING.

I've been around this discussion since I voted for HHH, and I will post inflammatory statements about "Democrats" every chance I get. It may not be the high-road, but I have seen what the current Leftist / Democrats are like on any number of topics and they are far too damaging to be left alone to multiply.
 
I have seen what the current Leftist / Democrats are like on any number of topics and they are far too damaging to be left alone to multiply.

you really don't get it, do you?

You just don't get it. You have been living in your echo chamber so long you haven't seen the changes going on...have you?

One day the Dems are gonna be back in control, and they will be passing laws that they like. We can either work to influence them, or we can demonize them and when it comes time to pass those laws...guess what! We can complain some more! Mmm...complaint sandwich! Tasty!

Furthermore, if we work WITH them, we can actually get them to see the light on many fundemental positions (like guns).

Or we could just outlaw the Dems, and go to single party state. Sound good?

My way or the highway will get you a ticket on grayhound. I hope you like that ride.
 
"you really don't get it, do you? You just don't get it. You have been living in your echo chamber so long you haven't seen the changes going on, have you...If we work WITH them, we can actually get them to see the light on many fundemental positions (like guns)."

To which I say, BS. The only caveat to that is that when the current generation of gun control freaks dies--SCUBA Ted, Feinstein and the rest, then maybe the Democrat party will change its agenda.

You do realize, don't you, that the gun control agenda in the Democrat Party platform is unchanged?

But go ahead, posture and compromise with them now, while Republicans are in power.

It is not my opinion that will win this war with the Democrat advocates of gun control. It is those advocates' no-holds-barred, whole-hearted defeat.

But hey, believe what you want. "Liberalism" is such a sweet, gooey term we all like it.

This will be my last response to you about this issue--I really don't care to fight with other gunnies (just "hunters"). You are welcome to your opinion; but IMO you just shouldn't try to pass it off as a meaningful approach to firearms legislation.
 
cbsbyte said:
Sorry, this is not a real piece of documented work, it is another drive by shooting in the political war, and until both sides give up these attacks, the American people are going to suffer.
And I can assume, then, that you have read the book and know from first-hand knowledge that the information is not accurate? And that it is not documented?
 
Acronyms

I've been a lurker here for a few weeks now, but I finally feel I've been pushed into posting. You guys use a LOT of acronyms. I know they accomplish the desired purpose of intimidating and confusing newbies, but come on. Today jfh crossed the line:

"I've been around this discussion since I voted for HHH"

HHH? Do you mean Hoover? Would it have been so hard to write Hoover? I can't be the only one who wasn't born for decades after that election. Did you want no one to be able to tell what you meant? I was a history major back in college but really, I'm only guessing.

I've had my CCW for about a year now, but it took me weeks to figure out what CCW meant. I may be simple, but Concealed Weapons Permit should be CWP...:banghead:
 
One day the Dems are gonna be back in control, and they will be passing laws that they like. We can either work to influence them, or we can demonize them and when it comes time to pass those laws...guess what! We can complain some more! Mmm...complaint sandwich! Tasty!

Furthermore, if we work WITH them, we can actually get them to see the light on many fundemental positions (like guns).
:barf:

When the Democrats were in control, they passed laws as they pleased, with little regard for compromise. They only discovered the word "compromise" when they lost control. And the dictatorial way in which they function as the minority party leaves no doubt that they will remember how to wield power when they ultimately regain control.

Unfortunately, the Republicans were the minority party for so many decades that they forgot how to be in control. Their idea of being in control is too often an exercise in appeasement.

BTW, just how many Democrats in Congress can you name who have "seen the light" on fundamental positions in the last decade?
 
If we work WITH them, we can actually get them to see the light on many fundemental positions (like guns).

I'm sure lots of Jews thought they could work with Hitler, too.

HHH? Do you mean Hoover?

Hubert H. Humphrey, I'd guess, presidential candidate of the Democratic (sic) party in 1968.

...it took me weeks to figure out what CCW meant. I may be simple, but Concealed Weapons Permit should be CWP...

Some states issue concealed weapons permits; some issue concealed hand guns permits; some issue concealed hand gun licenses; some issue... "CCW" is generic.
 
HHH? Do you mean Hoover?
jfh would have to be a really old codger to have voted for Herbert H. Hoover. But he wouldn't have to be too old to have voted for Hubert H. Humphrey in 1968.
 
Funny note applied to both sides:

HAHA, they charged "other party guy" with xyz. Look, he's guilty, EVERYONE knows it! (found not guilty)- WHAT?!?! this is some kind of media coverup!

!&^%, who are they thinking they are, charging "my party guy" with abc? It's obvious that this is just a political tactic, EVERYONE knows that. It's a conspiracy!!


Either it's true or it's not. If it is, deal with it and quit this whole cognitive dissonance crap. If it's not, present facts to the contrary and move on.
 
senior member

"have to be a really old codger to have voted for Herbert H. Hoover"

Oh, so "senior member" doen't mean senior citizen? Like I said, new here...:evil:
 
Third, I doubt many vineyards in CA are unionized; most workers are probably immigrants, since I doubt one could not find enough white people to work 10 hrs a day in the hot California sun.

If the owners would pay "white" people enough money to LIVE in CA then they wouldn't have so much trouble getting them now would they?

A person is at least worth what it cost him to live. If a job can't that much then a job is not worth having.

-Bill
 
"Most workers are probably immigrints"????

Ahem....who do you think comprises the members of the United Farm Workers?

Care to research Ceasar Chavez' rise to prominence over the "Boycott Table Grapes" campaign?

Folks who pick grapes....vineyards.....Pelozi's California Winery...get the connection?

(Wow, listening to NPR finally paid off!!)
 
carebear said:
For example, I was given a share in Budweiser as a Best Man gift but I don't drink the stuff and last I heard they weren't stalwarts on gun rights. Yet, if I were in the public eye and in the Catch-22 of fame HAD to declare my possession of that share and its dividend to avoid shouts of "tax evader" or "closet pro-DWIer" from political enemies I could then be tagged with a pro-Bud label as well.

Anheuser-Busch is very Pro-Hunting. Maybe not "truly" Pro-2A, but definitely not anti. It's enough for me to occasionally purchase some of their products. (Bud and Bud Lite give me a headache.)
 
Great Minds think alike--

1. Standing Wolf must have read my mind--both for who "HHH" was (probably the last Democrat from the postwar era worth voting for), and for doing the "Jews and Hitler" comment.

For the life of me, I don't see how people don't understand political compromise in this political area (gun control) will not result in total confiscation. Look at the current history elsewhere--e.g., UK and Australia--blah, blah, blah.

2. Otherwise, gc70 covered comments from me, too.

FWIW, I am 60; I have both an AB degree from one of the better private Liberal Arts Colleges in the country, and an MAT degree from a state college as well. I started out as a HS English Teacher, and I considered myself a liberal for some time--until I wised up to what political liberalism had become, peddling vote-buying and victimology.

I have been an active pro-gun force for pushing fifteen years now, politically aware for twenty, and I have found that, in the long run, no compromise on this topic is possible if we are to have even minimal firearms ownership twenty or thirty years from now.

"Compromise" on this subject will get us the AWB as a minimum, and Metzenbaum and Feinstein crowing about the "camel's nose under the tent" and "Mr.& Mrs. American, turn 'em all in."
 
What the heck was that picture?!

What the heck was that ugly woman doing? She looked like she just passed gas. In fact, she looks like my mother-in-law. That's like double torture. At least my mother-in-law seriously defends my right to my CCW...even more than my own wife. Hum...maybe I married the wrong one?! Pause...naw. Had to go back and look at the picture again...I made the right decision.

Doc2005
 
JJpdxpinkpistols said:
Silly me.

I always thought that the forces of tyranny and communists and maybe terrorists were the enemy.

maybe I will go into a re-education camp so that you can edumicate me as to who the REAL enemy is.

A nations enemies are not always foreign.
 
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