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Liberty vs. Browning (safe dealers help!)

Discussion in 'Shooting Gear and Storage' started by Trent, Feb 14, 2013.

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  1. Trent

    Trent Resident Wiseguy

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    Wow. The construction is so simple and rugged... that's impressive.

    It's like the AK-47 of safes.
     
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    "Cept much tighter tolerances...
     
  3. heeler

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    Wow.
    Quite a leap forward from the original selections.
     
  4. CB900F

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    Fella's;

    I hadn't realized that Dave's article was available online these days. However, please be aware that that article is now at least a decade old, but nonetheless Dave McOmie is still regarded as the dean of the safe crackers in this country. It was written when Ulrich Graffunder owned the company, and that's no longer the case. There are some detail differences between the safe in Dave's article and current production. None of which have compromised the protective capabilities of a Graffunder you would buy today.

    The new owner's have moved the production facilities to a better location, bought CNC machinery, and expanded the paint options among other things. The fire protection is up due to multiple intumescent seals set at ninety degrees to each other, and the hinges are a little more consumer friendly. Nothing major has changed and IMHO you're still getting a helluva safe for your dollar spent.

    900F
     
  5. Trent

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    Yeah. Part of it is I'm a little under-insured, and feeling exposed.

    Part of it is that recent home invasion 2 miles down the road where five bad guys came in specifically targeting guns.

    And got them.

    And didn't get caught.

    Then you get stuff like these two guys, who thought they were gangstas, and went on a spree of armed robberies and home invasions until they finally got caught.

    http://centralillinoisproud.com/rsh-fulltext?nxd_id=279542

    Or these three, who shot a man while robbing his home.

    http://centralillinoisproud.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=224752

    http://centralillinoisproud.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=280272

    Or this man, who shot the two bad guys robbing his home, killing one.

    http://centralillinoisproud.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=229682

    (I love how they call a bad guy a "shooting victim". They're not a damned victim when they invaded the sanctity of your home.)


    Seeing a trend here????


    Home invasions around here are being done in PACKS.

    THOSE above are just the ones that have been SOLVED. For every one that makes the news with a mugshot, there's 100 more that never see the TV screen or newspaper.

    Think about that. Then think about the odds of survival if you're in a 3-vs-1 or 5-vs-1 gunfight.

    Then think about what happens NEXT. Guns get loaded in to a getaway car as you bleed, and now that group is even more heavily armed and emboldened.

    Anyway... yeah, these are rough times, even out in the boondocks.
     
  6. Cesiumsponge

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    I've emailed Dave before trying to track down good sources of refurb safe vendors around my neck of the woods. He is in the same state but plays down south. Didn't get a chance to know the guy but he had a lot of good info and leads. I've talked to Ralph, Ulrich's son. He posts on another firearms forum and is a very interesting fellow who's done a lot of neat stuff in his engineering days.

    The Graffunders I see at the local gun shows look better than ever. Graffunder decided to put that article online a few years ago even though it clearly looks dated.

    Trent, just keep in mind that a knife to the throat will defeat a $10,000 safe. I'd still layer security, regardless of how good a box you buy.
     
  7. cbpagent72

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    I think you will be very happy with that choice. I know I would be.

    Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk 2
     
  8. Trent

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    Yup. We've got lights, big dogs, alarm, sturdy steel doors. Also got an 8 cam DVR off Newegg (bought when it was on sale on Cyber Monday) in a box I'm setting up when it warms back up. All of that stuff is just an early warning indicator.

    The real security starts indoors.

    Because I've got five reasonably well-trained shooters in the house, and we do monthly home invasion drills / home defense house meetings. :)
     
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