Listen to your Dogs!

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Having had 26 guns stolen in 1986 I can empathize. A friend was unloading his truck after shooting and was parked 10 feet in front of his apartment door. He carried in the rifles, threw them on the couch and went back for the pistols. Gone. He was inside maybe 10 seconds and they were gone without a trace. He never saw anyone around but some low life must have been hiding right there. In 10 seconds 2 handguns were gone.

Having been burglarized 4 times; suffered 2 stolen vehicles; 2 hit and runs; 1 assault with a deadly weapon; 1 armed robbery and 1 act of arson I have zero tolerance for crime and zero compassion for criminals. They should be killed on the spot when confronted.
 
This guy never barked, but he did knock a couple of people down & pin them there by the throat....
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Still have his sister, altho she is almost 14 now, lost the male to cancer 2 years ago. He was right around 150lb, had a "bit of wildlife" in his genes..
 
My grandfather used to have a pair of beagles for hunting. They lived in a dog pen attached to a shed behind my grandparents house. One night they were barking up a storm and wouldn't stop. My grandfather went out on the patio, had a cigarette, and finally got the dogs quieted down. The next morning they found out all their neighbors around them had been burglarized but because the dogs were raising such a racket, the scum bags didn't come near their house.

On another note, I'm glad Bullsi is suing that department for shooting their dog when the cop came into THEIR yard without calling to you or trying to contact you first. I hope you win.
 
If I listened to my dog in the house I'd have to shoot every black person on the sidewalk and every bicylist in town.

I often worry about that too when I have my truck parked in the driveway. I live in town now but when I lived at my parent's place out on the farm I'd often leave my guns in the truck, keys in the ignition, cell phone in the cupholder and wallet and checkbook on the dash (overnight).
 
Cops/Dogs

Ok..I'm sure I'll get torched for this one, but hey....that's the business I'm in!! I'm a pretty reasonable guy, so I will agree that the cop should have stopped AT the gate/fence if there was a dog barking (pretty clear sign that there is a DOG there)....but put that part aside for a minute and step into his shoes. He should just assume that EVERY dogs bark is worse than his bite?? I don't think so.
If I had some dog coming after me (and don't get me wrong, I'm a total animal lover) snarling, barking, charging me then ok....he MAY not get my sidearm, but he certainly would get my TASER or baton at the very least. Like I said, stupid move for the cop to get that close "knowing" a dog was around but let's be honest with ourselves!! ANY ONE of us would do all we could to protect orselves if a dog was making the move. "Yes...but not MY dog".....I can hear it already....
 
cops/dogs

You would think that a person that is educated would have the knowledge:
If dog appears agressive and I won't go in there,why would anyone else?and if they did why are they barking at me? If someone shot my lab,I would probably return fire in defense of my dog.
 
Yes, pepper spray, taser, baton. Or maybe fire a shot in the ground nest to the dog, 95% of non-hunting dogs would turn tail and run just from the incredibly loud noise.
 
A couple of quick stories.

Preface, in the late 70's early 80's my dad and brothers' had a decent reloading setup in one of our shops at the house. I'm too young to remember all the details. But it was all setup so it could be put away when not in use and the shop could be used for other things.

1981, My older brother and dad were in the house getting ready to reload some cartridges. Getting out the powder, scales and whatnot. It's about 4pm. You'd have to see how the layout used to be to grasp this, but a man walked through the neighbors yard towards our house and disappeared. A couple of minutes later my dad heard a loud noise come from behind the fence. Once behind this fence, there's only one way back out. It was almost impossible to climb. Dad went outside with his .38 Webley(I miss that gun) and walked through the gate and this guy was trying to get into the shop with a crowbar. The guy charged my dad and it didn't end well for him. The family tried to sue us but the company dad worked for had better lawyers than his family.

2006, Same shop, same dad that now lives with us after we bought the house from him. Broad daylight around 4pm. Neighborhood kids had just gotten out of school. I was at work, my wife and dad were home watching television. It was cool outside so the front door was shut. I get home from work about 8pm and have a couple of projects that need finishing in the shop. So I head out there. I get everything setup and ready to cut, but the torch is gone. So I try to figure out what the heck is going on. I call all my brothers to see if they needed it for some reason or other. After about 15-20 minutes of calling around, I call the police. While waiting for them I start looking for other stuff that's missing. Altogether with the handtools, powertools and welding equipment, they took a little over 5 grand worth of stuff. So I tell the officer. While the cop car is in front of the house, the neighbor kids across the street come knock on the door. They saw the truck that backed into the driveway. Gave the officer a deadon description of a square body chevy single cab dually that was shiny black. I know the truck, the officer knows the truck and the owner because he's been stealing a lot of stuff in the neighborhood lately. 2 years later and I still haven't gotten anything back, even though the cops knew exactly who had taken it. And as far as I know he's never been arrested in relation to this.

Not sure what the point of those two stories were, but just throwing it out there. And to get to 5 grand worth of tools, just imagine a fab shop decked out in all new Makita powertools and snap on hand tools that I'd bought about a month prior to the breakin. Also, everything had my name engraved on it along with the last 4 of my DL and SSN. I found one of the grinders in a pawn shop, but the officers said that I could have sold it and thus I couldn't take it back because it wasn't specifically listed in the report.
 
"I have a strong feeling I know who the people are but I cant prove it."

An anonymous call to the police explaining that they have them might be enough to get them to go investigate?
Not very High Road though.
 
franconialocal, I'd be upset if my dog was even injured by a police officer while it was on my property.
While I can certaintley understand a cop defending himself. Its the same as Police getting the wrong house, no knocking and getting shot at. I understand them returning fire but the homeowner is 100% in the right. As the dog is in defending his property, actually it's worse bc the cop knew that the homeowner wasn't involved(and thus the dog as well)
My feelings are very simple on the subject. If the Dog is not on his property the officer can do as he sees fit in that instance. However If the dog is on his property he is allowed to defend it(thats his job) esp. if the owners haven't been informed to take control of the animal. eithier way err on the side of the dog. Dogs are just one of the many obstacles Police officers must face in their jobs however, they knew that before taking the job. I say this with many freinds and relatives in law enforcement both on the local and federal level
 
"According to the report you file with insurance, and with the police, your vehicle was locked. "

Is Insurance fraud and filing a false police report high road?

BTW most policies cover theft defined as an" object taken from a known location"...and has nothing to do with whether it was locked or unlocked.

Yes "negligence" is covered under a homeowners policy...otherwise we would never be able to take care of all those turkey fryer fires...or smoking in bed...or candles.

Anyone who has guns needs to look at the limits on the policy and make sure they are adequately covered. Usually 1500 or 2500 MAX on a HO policy. I always recommend a specific policy my company writes just for the guns, it is cheap and has no deductible.
 
One of my dogs barks the same if she hears a neighbor's car pull in, or if someone was opening the front door, but the other one, if he does the usual, "Woo-woo-woo" thing, that's nothing to worry about. If he barks in a deeper tone, and gets "choppy", I know he's upset about something, and check it out. I trust their instincts. Years ago, they were at the back of my fence, and were going nuts. I thought it was a Raccoon, or a Possum, maybe a cat, but they refused to come in, so I went outside with a flashlight, and just as I got to the fence, I see a cigarette turn orange as it's being dragged on. I shined the flashlight in the guy's face, and it's some 85 year old guy in his pajamas and robe! I said, "What's your name?", and he just looked at me. I went and called the cops, and they took him back to the nursing home, about a mile away. The next time they acted that way, it was a neighbor's cat.

My old Pit Bull Mix showed no signs of defending me, or the house, until a friend, who has keys walked in, and because of the stereo being on, he didn't hear him at first. My friend said his knees shook when he saw Gus come around the corner at full speed, with a very serious look on his face. As soon as Gus saw who it was, he went right back into his normal love everybody mode. After that, he was a very good watchdog.
 
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good doggie

"Hemi:"

A very good watchdog, indeed. I am not aware of any test that can be given to a dog to determine it's intelligence, but that trait is the one I look for most in any dog.

And to have it in a Pitt Bull mix would be a requirement.
Perhaps so many of the stories we hear about dangerous aggressive behaviors in the breed would not be there if buyers would choose animals with intelligence rather that reflexive instinct.

Have you bred that pup to make more "smart" doggies?
 
My dog 'saved' my guns:

Years ago, we used to live in town. I had my guns in a detached garage.

Dog wasn't allowed upstairs on the carpet but one night about 3am she ran upstairs into the Master Bedroom and jumped up on the window bench and barked out the window. I got up immediately because it was so strange and looked past her outside and there was a kid in cammo trying to quietly pry the padlock off the garage door. Dog and I then ran downstairs and out the back door. I could hear gravel crunching as he took off up the alley. We lost him in the backyards along the alley in the back – and eventually the police showed up and looked too, but he got away.

Still, HERO dog save my guns!
 
That pup in my previous post & his sister penned up a friend in my garage one day. We were working on his car in my driveway & the friend had gone into the house to use the bathroom. On the way back he saw my two pups sleeping at the other end of the yard (about 200ft away), walked into the garage to grab a cold one from the fridge (right behind the door). When he turned around the two pups were stood the doorway ready to rock & roll but not making any noise. I just happened to look over in that direction & spotted them. Walked over to investigate & found my friend stood there looking like he was about to fill his pants. Soon as I got there the pups wandered back to the other end of the yard to continue their nap. Friend was a bit shook up, more by the fact they "just appeared" in the door & that they didn't make any noise at all.
 
James T Thomas-

Sadly, he's been gone for some time. He died at 14.5, and never fathered any pups. He was a great dog that looked different enough that he was able to fly under the whacko local dog wardens "radar" and not be identified as a Pit Mix.

Only a few people ever even drempt he was a Pit mix. He had a big Lab type head with rear molars the size of my thumbs, and the vet said he was able to easily remove fingers. He never started a fight in his life, but if pushed, was able to defend himself quite well. When he was close to the end, we told everyone who knew him, at the stores, drive throughs, etc, what he was, just to show them that all Pits and mixes weren't something to be afraid of.
 
Ok..I'm sure I'll get torched for this one, but hey....that's the business I'm in!! I'm a pretty reasonable guy, so I will agree that the cop should have stopped AT the gate/fence if there was a dog barking (pretty clear sign that there is a DOG there)....but put that part aside for a minute and step into his shoes. He should just assume that EVERY dogs bark is worse than his bite?? I don't think so.
If I had some dog coming after me (and don't get me wrong, I'm a total animal lover) snarling, barking, charging me then ok....he MAY not get my sidearm, but he certainly would get my TASER or baton at the very least. Like I said, stupid move for the cop to get that close "knowing" a dog was around but let's be honest with ourselves!! ANY ONE of us would do all we could to protect orselves if a dog was making the move. "Yes...but not MY dog".....I can hear it already....
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Being somewhere you shouldn't be sort of nullifies any "I had to defend myself" BS excuse you can come up with. That means if you enter someone's yard without permission and said person has a dog that charges you...well, tough luck for you.

I can absolutely guarantee that you'll never be injured by my dogs as long as you don't enter their space. You enter their space, you assume the risk of injury. If you aren't willing to risk injury, don't enter their space. Simple as that.
 
You can't beat a good dog for a first line of defense. My dog isn't aggressive but is protective. He is an English Mastiff so his size is a problem for some people. He hasn't ever jumped anybody or anything that I had to try to get him off of. Short of a gun it would probably be nearly impossible.
 
You can't beat a good dog for a first line of defense. My dog isn't aggressive but is protective. He is an English Mastiff so his size is a problem for some people. He hasn't ever jumped anybody or anything that I had to try to get him off of. Short of a gun it would probably be nearly impossible.
 
You can't beat a good dog for a first line of defense. My dog isn't aggressive but is protective. He is an English Mastiff so his size scares allot of people or gets their attention real quick.

Doesn't mind guns either. He likes to watch.
 
So... after almost exactly ONE year. I got a phone call from the the local detective. One of my rifles... the ruger 10/22 was pawned on 12/10/09. I got it back today. I NEVER thought I would see these rifles. They are investigating further but it looks like they can probably trace down the other rifle now that they have managed to track on of them down. The 10/22 is very rusted but the Weaver scope on it was still dead on and it did not look like it had been fired because the rifling was clean as a whistle. When it was stolen, it did not have a magazine in it and I got it back without a magazine... I'm pretty sure, whoever stole it did not know enough about guns to locate a magazine for it nor how to care for it since the barrel and some parts of the action were rusted.

I am extremely happy and glad that I got the rifle back. I might refinish it or just leave it be as a reminder of how it got stolen and to continue being careful.
 
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