davestarbuck
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Loading 9mm and .223 and breaking even on equipment cost
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davestarbuck
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I don't think that site works. Edit: Hmmm, now it does, but it requires a 'dash'. http://www.hi-techammo.com/
http://www.iidbs.com/hitech.zkb
Is this the one you're looking for?
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http://www.iidbs.com/hitech.zkb
Is this the one you're looking for?
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dc.fireman
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I didn't think the OP was making 'an argument' per se - I thought he was just commenting on an advantage to reloading. Here's a decent calculator:
http://www.10xshooters.com/calculators/Rifle_Reloading_Cost_Calculator.htm
http://www.10xshooters.com/calculators/Rifle_Reloading_Cost_Calculator.htm
davestarbuck
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Indeed, I wasn't making any arguement, just showing how my equipment paid for itself over time...
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thump_rrr
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Since I need to justify the purchase to some people who don't understand that reloading is a hobby I'll crunch the numbers.
I shoot on average 300 rounds or 6 boxes a week of .45 ACP.
Here in Canada, when purchased locally, it costs roughly $30.00 + tax for a box for .45 ACP.
So to go shooting for a couple of hours on a Sunday I would spend $180.00 + 5% Federal Sales Tax. + 8.5% Provincial Sales Tax (compounded) for a total of $205.06 per week.
That's a total of $10,663.12 a year for 312 boxes of ammunition.
Remember this is after tax dollars we're spending since we pay income tax when we earn it.
This doesn't include my IPSC Black Badge Course or any competitions I shoot.
My material cost for manufacturing .45 ACP is as follows:
Winchester Large Pistol Primers $37.99/1000
Winchester 231 $23/Lb.
Cam-Pro Plated Bullets $138/1000
Once Fired Brass $180.00/2000 (reloaded 8 times)
My material cost per box is $10.08 or $60.48 + 5% Federal Sales Tax. + 8.5% Provincial Sales Tax (compounded) for a total of $68.90 per week.
That's a total of $3,582.80 a year for 312 boxes of reloaded ammunition.
I just spent $1500 + Taxes ($1708.87 including Taxes) on a Hornady LnL AP along with a bullet feeder, case feeder, different caliber dies, shell plates, RCBS Lock Out Die, etc.
If I amortize this equipment over 10 years my cost would be $170.89 per year.
If I want to look at labor cost I must do it objectively.
I make $33.00/hour which nets me $20.73 per hour after taxes. (Yes this is Canada).
With my press I can put out around 900 rounds/hr or 18 boxes per hour. This puts my labor cost at $1.15 per box or $358.80 per year.
All prices after taxes
Cost of store bought ammunition $34.18 per box or $10,663.12 a year.
Cost of home made ammunition, material only, $11.48 per box or $3,582.80 a year.
Cost of home made ammunition with equipment amortization $12.03 per box$3,753.69 a year
Cost of home made ammunition with equipment amortization and labour $13.18 per box or $4,112.16 per year.
Now to get to my conclusion.
For me to shoot 300 rounds a week of store bought ammunition I need to work for 9.9 hours at my job.
For me to shoot 300 rounds of my own ammunition with equipment amortization and paying myself for my labour I need to work 3.8 hours a week.
That's a savings of 6.1 hours a week or 317.2 hours for a pre tax savings of $10,467.60
I shoot on average 300 rounds or 6 boxes a week of .45 ACP.
Here in Canada, when purchased locally, it costs roughly $30.00 + tax for a box for .45 ACP.
So to go shooting for a couple of hours on a Sunday I would spend $180.00 + 5% Federal Sales Tax. + 8.5% Provincial Sales Tax (compounded) for a total of $205.06 per week.
That's a total of $10,663.12 a year for 312 boxes of ammunition.
Remember this is after tax dollars we're spending since we pay income tax when we earn it.
This doesn't include my IPSC Black Badge Course or any competitions I shoot.
My material cost for manufacturing .45 ACP is as follows:
Winchester Large Pistol Primers $37.99/1000
Winchester 231 $23/Lb.
Cam-Pro Plated Bullets $138/1000
Once Fired Brass $180.00/2000 (reloaded 8 times)
My material cost per box is $10.08 or $60.48 + 5% Federal Sales Tax. + 8.5% Provincial Sales Tax (compounded) for a total of $68.90 per week.
That's a total of $3,582.80 a year for 312 boxes of reloaded ammunition.
I just spent $1500 + Taxes ($1708.87 including Taxes) on a Hornady LnL AP along with a bullet feeder, case feeder, different caliber dies, shell plates, RCBS Lock Out Die, etc.
If I amortize this equipment over 10 years my cost would be $170.89 per year.
If I want to look at labor cost I must do it objectively.
I make $33.00/hour which nets me $20.73 per hour after taxes. (Yes this is Canada).
With my press I can put out around 900 rounds/hr or 18 boxes per hour. This puts my labor cost at $1.15 per box or $358.80 per year.
All prices after taxes
Cost of store bought ammunition $34.18 per box or $10,663.12 a year.
Cost of home made ammunition, material only, $11.48 per box or $3,582.80 a year.
Cost of home made ammunition with equipment amortization $12.03 per box$3,753.69 a year
Cost of home made ammunition with equipment amortization and labour $13.18 per box or $4,112.16 per year.
Now to get to my conclusion.
For me to shoot 300 rounds a week of store bought ammunition I need to work for 9.9 hours at my job.
For me to shoot 300 rounds of my own ammunition with equipment amortization and paying myself for my labour I need to work 3.8 hours a week.
That's a savings of 6.1 hours a week or 317.2 hours for a pre tax savings of $10,467.60
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Well, I don't need to justify anything to someone who fails to appreciate the way I spend my free time. Since I'm retired I have a lot of it to spend.
Dave, thank you for taking the time to calculate your material costs and post them here, and thank you to everyone else in the thread who chipped in with links and information concerning the cost of supplies for reloading. I'm just getting back into this wonderful avocation after being away from it for the past 25 years. You've all been very helpful to me!
Dave, thank you for taking the time to calculate your material costs and post them here, and thank you to everyone else in the thread who chipped in with links and information concerning the cost of supplies for reloading. I'm just getting back into this wonderful avocation after being away from it for the past 25 years. You've all been very helpful to me!
jcwit
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I save so much money reloading that I'm goint to start calling in sick and make more that I do working.
Wait, I'm retired, now what'll I do!!
Wait, I'm retired, now what'll I do!!
how are u spendin 11 cents a round, that is insane, give me some url's and links please, i need supplies for cheap, and i need to get started, im goin lee 50th aniversary, a 223 die and a 40 die, and media cleaner, anything else i need besides,(primers,bullets,powd.....)
wunderkind
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Even at a relaxed pace of 2 rounds a minute on a Lee Turret Press, you can crank out 120 rds of 9mm, costing me about 8.5 cents/rd to reload a plentiful supply of 9mm brass.
If I were to run out to the Wally World, a value pack of 9's is (unfortunately) 26.00 rounded up, after tax, and that's if they even have any. I swear there are shooters with inside info on when the WWB arrives... Call it a gallon of gas at 3.50, and you can kiss 30 bucks and an hour of there-and-back/waiting-for-the-only-guy-with-the-key-to-the-ammo-case goodbye.
In that same hour, I can easily reload 120 rds for $10.20.
That's about 20 bucks in my pocket plus 20 extra rounds. If you do the math creatively, reloading is a money maker!
Once the OP gets the progressive all dialled in, 100 rounds will probably only take about 10-15 minutes, even with an occasional powder weight double-check and a few OAL measurements...
If I were to run out to the Wally World, a value pack of 9's is (unfortunately) 26.00 rounded up, after tax, and that's if they even have any. I swear there are shooters with inside info on when the WWB arrives... Call it a gallon of gas at 3.50, and you can kiss 30 bucks and an hour of there-and-back/waiting-for-the-only-guy-with-the-key-to-the-ammo-case goodbye.
In that same hour, I can easily reload 120 rds for $10.20.
That's about 20 bucks in my pocket plus 20 extra rounds. If you do the math creatively, reloading is a money maker!
Once the OP gets the progressive all dialled in, 100 rounds will probably only take about 10-15 minutes, even with an occasional powder weight double-check and a few OAL measurements...
Bonesinium
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After reading this thread I don't know whether to think someone should be paying me for reading it or if I'm suppose to pay someone else to read it for me.
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