Loaner gunbs when SHTF

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Fenris

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OK. The SHTF. Zombies are roaming the streets. Head-hunters are plying their trade and posting on YouTube. Your neighbors/friends come begging for guns. You could always say "No" that they should have bought their own. But the more firepower you have the fewer zombies are going to get through to you.

So...

What gun do you give people with no experience with guns. The gun has to be effective or why bother, safe so they don't shoot themselves, and probably cheap.

Hi points?
 
The only realistic scenarios I can think of could effectively be addressed with a single-shot in 20ga, .22 rimfire, 44 magnum, or similar.
 
I'm gradually introducing friends to the venerable Mosin Nagant.

It is a slow process! A few will at least give one a try after seeing me shoot one.

Inexpensive, rugged, relatively simple, ammo is relatively cheap.

Take care,

Tom
 
Hurricanes, and Tornadoes I know about.

Single shot 20 ga shotgun
Medium Frame dedicated .38spl revolvers

These two are the main guns we passed out/loaned to Hurricane, Tornado, victims.
Handgun on person, at all times, was a concern.

Additionally, single shot .22 rifles, and Marlin 60's, and some others.


I don't know about Zombies, I do know about real world events such as Tornado, Hurricane, Fire, Flood, Civil Unrest, Riot...
 
A truck with a large brushguard and armored doors and windows is what id give them if its the zombie apocalypse. As far as firearms id say an AR-15.

If this is a serious question asking whats the easiest action to use then i would suggest starting with a bolt or break action. No clips or magazines to fiddle with, just one extra lever or button outside of the safety.
 
Handguns, maybe I could loan a DA revolver. But with someone who hasn't handled firearms, handguns in a high stress situation may be asking for trouble.

A good long gun I'd recommend would be an SKS. It doesn't get more simple or durable than that.
 
The answer to your question is unknowable. You never know which kind of zombie scenario you'll end up in--the one where you have to blow their heads off to destroy them, or the one where, once you blow off a body part it morphs into another doggone zombie. Sometimes you need special ammunition. Other times, all you need to do is cover yourself in lard or wear a funny hat, and they won't go after you.

Then there are the zombies who are immortal until they happen on something innocuous, like marshmallows or bunnies. Touch a bunny and the zombie explodes. This is why it's so hard to plan for a zombie apocalypse. Each one is different. Blame it on the Writers Guild of America.

Personally, I wouldn't give my neighbors any of my stuff, guns or otherwise. Giving them stuff might turn them into zombies.
 
Giving them stuff might turn them into zombies.

As far as that goes, not giving them stuff might turn you into a zombie. :neener:

I echo the suggestion for the .20ga or .12ga break action, single or double barrelled. This is the gun I learned mostly to shoot and hunt with. Easy to operate and handle, and easy to alternate between shot and slugs. Also not so unbearable to keep on or near one's person if kept at a reasonably short length and slung. As far as handguns go, I'd say just about any DA revolver chambered in a relatively easy to control caliber.
 
For a non-shooter I’d avoid a shotgun or a large caliber handgun (recoil). If they’re staying with you there will be more options for group defense & on the fly training. If they’re heading back to their place I would be very hesitant to hand anything out unless they were very trusted. The ideal answer might be an AR with a suppressor & red dot (low recoil, easy to shoot, easy on the ears & less headwork than iron sights) but I doubt most people would be willing to hand over an investment like that to someone with little or no training.

In the end, whatever you have that’s low recoil, easy to use & APPROPRIATE for the situation. Repel boarders is going to have different gear requirements than a run to the store post natural disaster & that’ll have different gear requirements than a run out of town pre-natural disaster. All of those, though, have the same mindset requirements & some overlapping tactical considerations (use of cover, when to shoot, who to shoot first, when to RUN, how to look like nothing special, etc.)
 
My neighors will bring their own.

I don't know a single person in my community that isn't a gunowner.


-- John
 
ha...

...someone has to be point man...
Give 'em a long pointy stick...
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Even an inexperienced shooter can be useful on Z-Day. I may or may not have more guns than I can fire at one time.

I would NOT give anyone my precious Gewehr 98, but old Mosin Nagants and SKS's sound like a good idea. Any particular reason to favor one over the other?

Regarding sidearms, Hi points are cheap. But revolvers are simple. Don't have much experience myself with wheel guns. Any suggestions?
 
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"Me either. Although I'm fairly positive I'm the only non-felon! "

+1!!! haha. I feel the same way where I'm at... my nice neighbors are all anti's (or seemingly so) and the rest of the neighborhood (not necessarily bad.... just don't care to do a door to door knock and greet in Detroit) is armed and questionable.

As far as what I would give... I suppose what ever I had. .22's would be very good zombie specific guns, though they might be prone to jamming and an inexperienced shooter might not be able to calmly clear a jam. HiPoint carbines might be a good firearm. Cheap, available in 9mm which is more reasonably priced and lower recoil, can accept a sight. Rifles might be a little tricky, especially without some practice. AR15's would be great if they weren't so expensive.
 
goaway

"AFS: No experience with guns? I won't give them a .22.
Experienced with guns? Why don't you have your own? Go away"

"gyp_c2: Give 'em a long pointy stick..."

"armoredman: Rocks and gravel - my neighbors and I will probably be on opposite sides, except for one older couple."


Ditto on all the above...Im in this to keep me & my family alive. Others should have educated themsevles & acquire some common sense & stop feeding off the antis. Ignorance on your part IS NOT an emergency on mine.
 
I am going to argue here a bit...

again.

*smile*

We passed out guns to folks we knew, or were of like kind.
I am more familiar with tornadoes, and when I was coming up, there was no 911, or warning sirens, or anything else. Folks had stuff put back for all sorts of emergencies.

Tornadoes have not only come in and taken everything on the property, also the emergency items the neighbors had stored in a church, school, diner...etc.

Don't tell me a old worn out chest freezer, with guns and other supplies, cannot be blown to who-knows-where, I know better.
This was in late 1950's when I saw this. I was wittle, but I remember it.

In the 1980s, a tornado hit, and to this day, that area has not been rebuilt. In fact now, it is part of pasture.

I knew some of the folks, and again, Safes were flat missing, dead serious. And I do mean 'safe', not residential security containers.

In 2008 I personally lost items, and I had items in three, off site locations. Multiples of firearms, extremley sentimental, and gone. Some of these guns, I had had for fifty years.


Re: Experience

I am not going to fault someone, born and raised in a restrictive part of the USA, that finds themselves in the part of the USA, going through a disaster, and needing a means to stay safe.
I am not going to do it.

I would hope if I were to find myself in a part of the USA, I am not familiar with, someone would assist me.
Be this going to NYC, and getting around, taking a subway, which I have never done , or just out in CO, where I do not know some dangers.

I have been in new places, and folks assisted me, both in the USA, and abroad.


When Katrina hit, some folks I and mine knew, needed help. They had stores, and even off site emergency stores, still could not access them.
So we ran down, and that was not an easy feat.
We ran the guns and ammo I mentioned in my earlier post, and have shared around here before.

Some folks were more experienced than others. Some folks were injured, and while they may be familiar with a platform, they could not effectivley use it, or carry it concealed.

Some included folks, from other parts of the USA, restrictive areas, and were learning guns, just flat did not have a lot of experience yet.
They were down in areas attending school, or job related reasons.

My experience, based on how raised is to keep it simple. Kick it down to a basic level.
There are just too many variables, when folks are going through a serious event.
We know motor skills erode under stressful conditions. We also know skillsets are perishable.

When your world is turned upside down, and continues to be so, for an extended time period, you want simple, reliable, equipment. Guns are fine and dandy, but not the most important items always.

A Swiss Army knife with a can opener, might be a more used tool. Just getting a can of peaches open, and being able to make a Spam sandwich, is mighty big deal, sometimes.

Kids, they will break your heart. They are tough, they do their very best, still they are kids.
You can check condition of a revolver, or single shot, very easy, and safely, in low light, when you are bone tired, and the brain is screaming for some rest.
Still that kid is hungry, so your focus is getting peaches opened and making a peanut butter sandwich.

Maybe the student from another country is with you, say an exchange student , and you can share how to use that single shot, so you can shut your eyes for 15 or 30 minutes.
That exchange student is your responsibility, and "family" .

A person raised with guns, and then heads off with a scholarship either in the USA, or abroad, and away from guns, is "rusty" or "not as experienced".

Many of our own THR members have spent time in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they will come back, and take training to get back up to speed with firearms they have not carried concealed, or used.

Some of these members are Staff.

So we will have to agree to disagree.
I am not going to leave someone I know, or someone vouches for, in a bad way.
I would hope, someone would vouch for me, and not leave me in a bad way- again, as they have in the past.


Do not toss me a AR, I am not experienced with it, and not afraid to admit it.
I had some, and used to use them, too many years ago.
Mentors gave me six, brand new, Colt M16A1s, those six and everything that goes with them, burned up.
I had one more, I messed with.
I had shot some belonging to others...

I ...short version, 'respect' is the reason I did not continue with the AR platform.
The troops came back from 'Nam before I would have been sent, with a draft card in my wallet with 1H on it.
I lost friends in 'Nam, so out of respect, I could not "pretend" to be Military as I never served.
I had to be yelled at to accept and wear a Army field jacket I was given.

Don't toss me a Mosin, or SKs either, as I never messed with them, and a AK?
The last time I remember a AK, was private defensive lessons and that unique sound was my "start button" and the darn thing kept being fired to induce stress , as I was trying to do what I needed to do.

Toss me a lever action , preferably a Win 94, that- I do have more experience with.

When tornadoes hit in '08, I was doing my thing, out on the properties, and dodging more tornadoes , making sure evil did not come down to steal equipment.
And other reasons...
I toted a well worn Model 94, in 30-30, with 170 grain loads, this gun prefers for a long gun,
Behind the seat of the truck, a youth single shot 20 ga, in the vehicle, a well worn Ruger Standard.
I was using a Kel-Tec P-11 concealed. (Actually two).

Oh, had a couple of hickory axe handles, handy, as I did a 3 D cell Maglight.
 
No one is going to come begging.

The ones that do come are intent on bad things.

There might be a few that will organize into a sort of a platoon on the spot but... it's best to be packing up grabbing the go bags and out of there. Let the Active Duty take care of that county and clean up.

In fact most neighbors will open up first with thier long ranged weapons. I only need to wait for the leakers that get through.

I think the very first thing that will get fired on is a Islamic tower wailing call to prayer at o dark 5 in the morning. The speaker box will be the first to go.
 
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