SHTF Package

[DevLcL]

This is my modest SHTF setup:

.30 Carbine, A decent short/medium range round with decent stopping power. Also being a short, round-tipped bullet much like a .357, your much less likely to shoot your neighbor.... somebody in the room next to you might not be as happy though. Overall, 30 rounds of this will ruin almost anybody's day.

.22lr, Perfect for use against people you don't really want to kill. (looters etc..) Almost no over penetration worries. I have an old .45, but somehow the 10rnd clip (compared to 7 and 8), german engineering, and nifty little laser sight make the Walther my handgun of choice. Plus it just looks cool.

12 ga, Possibly the most useful of the three. The 12 ga has stopping power both mentally and physically. Many will argue that the sight of the shotgun alone will not deter a determined person however I think most ppl just looking to get a free lunch will look elsewhere. With the correct loads (birdshot), over penetration is not usually an issue, however many load their defense pump guns with buckshot and slugs. I currently have mine loaded with #4birdshot mainly because I'm too cheap to get anything more powerful.

If I had the money I'd probably have a better system, but for now it will do. I know lots of people come here and ask SHTF type questions, so maybe this will help you out a little bit.

What do you have? What do you prefer to use? Post pics of your defensive setups so we can have a little more drool material in our lives. Don't sweat it if you'd rather not give away your tactical advantage.

-Dev

 

[omnivore75]

Here are my four legged alarm systems. Click thumbnail to enlarge.

 

[armoredman]

The 30 carbine would be good for short range, semi-urban. The 22 is a good game getter, etc, but as a SD round? Not my first choice - BTW, I don't shoot anything I don't intend to kill. I also don't carry a pistol on how cool it looks, even though my CZ PO1 happens to be quite awesome.
The shotgun is good, but doesn't that pistol grip kill your wrist? Just asking, never fired a pistol grip shotgun.
My battery? Nothing special at all, a CZ PO1 and a Mosin M38. SKS coming, maybe next year an FAL.

 

[Oldtimer]

DevLcL, it was nice to see that someone (other than me) chose the UNDER-rated M-1 Carbine! While it's not a long-range weapon, it will do very nicely out to 100+ yards.

The .22 pistol? HMM! For a "tactical" package, I'd prefer a center-fire pistol or revolver. The same goes for the pistol-gripped shotgun. You'd be much better off by having a full-stocked, with a pistol-grip, shotgun. That would allow you to shoot magnum rounds without "killing" your shooting hand, plus give you better accuracy and control. Even a folding shotgun stock would be better than just the pistol-grip.

 

[Preacherman]

Well, I consider a SHTF "package" to be something I can carry with me - at home, I have access to my gunsafe, with all sorts of interesting goodies in it to make an intruder's life less than enjoyable. That said, if I have to hit the road in a SHTF situation, I'd have in my vehicle:

- A folding-stock AK-47 in 7.62x39;

- A 12ga. shotgun, usually a Remington 870;

- On my person, a Glock 23 in .40 S&W, backed up by either a Glock 27 or a S&W J-frame Airweight revolver in a pocket holster.

I might substitute a Kel-Tec SU16 for the AK47, if I had to do a lot of concealed transport of weapons, as it's much lighter than the AK.

 

[jeremywills]

Currently my SHTF setup is modest, but soon to grow I hope

Im just venturing out into my own SHTF setup

I started off with a 9mm Taurus Millenium Pro. Gun fits my hand like a glove and is the best double action gun I have ever shot. I amazed myself how accurate I was shooting at the range from such a short barreled subcompact framed gun. I knew it was the right one the min I placed one in my hands, it just fit perfect. I have intentions of doing the CCW in Texas within the next 3 to 6 months if all goes well.

Recently picked up a .22 rifle, a really old Savage for dirt cheap in a pawnshop. Definately not the best option but if the Taurus is somehow not able to be grabbed and I have to use this instead, I have 15 shots, any would be intruder would probably walk away than be hit by 15 .22's I know I sure as hell wouldn't want to be hit by anything, even .22's.

On my wish list are a 12 guage Mossberg and a Mosin M44. A M38 or 91/59 Mosin would work too, but the m44 with the permanent attached bayo all you do is flip that out and its very intimidating without firing a shot. Same thing with the 12 guage, usually one pump is a universal enough sound to someone breaking into your home. At least someone intruding should be familar with it as they have probably heard it before

Theres others I would love to have, but the Mosin's and Mossberg 12 guages are within my price budget. I would love to be able to afford things like AR's and stuff like that, but I dont make a ton of money

Anhow, thats my SHTF gameplan

 

[P0832177]

I really would question shooting someone, and not trying to terminate the aggression! And, although 22LR will kill someone it seems idiotic to even consider shooting 22LR at looters!

There is nothing practical about a 12g PGO shotgun! Notta! Throw a buttstock on it and you have a weapon better then the M1 Carbine!

The mentality, that 12g PGO shotgun is a good idea, is born of internet lore and armchair commandos! Go take a tactical shotgun course with it! Bet you do not pass!

 

[rick_reno]

Good setup - the only thing it's missing is the jug of mayonaise, the big one with the handle. It's food, it's a condiment, in a pinch it can be used as a lubricant and in a flood situation - like Katrina - it can serve as a floatation device.

 

[old4x4]

Awesome forums!! Just found 'em.
My Olyarms K16 with a Sightron red dot sight and a BUNCH of Nosler BT reloads.
My HK USP 45 Auto with Hornady XTP's, and my Mossberg 500 turkey gun with the 20" barrel. Seems to be a theme for this topic (rifle, shotgun, pistol)

 

[hso]

DevLcL,

I think you've got a good weapons package overall, but I can't agree with the .22 for a couple of reasons.

First, I can't agree with shooting to wound. If someone needs shooting it's because they need to be stopped as a threat. If you don't want to kill a looter and still want to shoot them then you should be using the shotty with less than lethal, oc or rock salt.

Second, while the .22 has poor "stopping power" it certainly is a lethal round and shooting at looters with it is lethal force. There's plenty of dead people that got that way with a .22.

Oh, and old 4X4, WELCOME!

 

[DevLcL]

The PG on the shotgun is only temporary, I put it on because I recently accuired it on a different shotgun, one of those SST-500 is in the mail... Don't worry haha! I know not to keep that thing on there, I should have said something in the original post. As far as my choice of 22lr, well... it's mostly lack of something better... I do own a Ruger P95 with a nice hogue overgrip which feels really good, but my dad carries that in the sidesaddle on his motorcycle.

-Dev

 

[loose cannon]

plenty was said about the pg shotty i agree with it as i went thru a pgs phase.my shottys now have fullstocks.the 30 carb is a decent gun if you dont see any conflicts over 200yds and you use a good expanding point ammo.(esential!!!!)

i add this to the argument against 22lrs,lets leave out the fact they kill good but dont stop tho its very important.22 lrs im my experience hav a big reliability problem;misfires,rimfire priming is delicate and the quality control in most cases is spotty so its very common to get misfires from 22lr.the last thing i want to hear when i front sight press on a bg isCLICK. this could be the last sound you hear.if i had to use 22lr and i could chose ammo id get ammo made by eley or aguila as their priming is most reliable with federal gold medal ultramatch running a close second.either way id be looking to upgrade my hguns asap!

my 3gun choice?;fixed stock arsenal sa7 carbine 7.62x39 wolf 123jhps,remington m870 custom tactical 12ga 9x00buck and 1oz fosterslugs and glock 26 9mm with g17 17rd sparemags federal 9mm+p+ 115jhps or my s&w 629 mtn gun 44mag with 300gr jhps decisions decisions

 

[Imaginos]

.30 Carbine Companions

Pair that M1 with a Ruger Blackhawk (5.5") or a chopped (4-6") Taurus Raging 30, and throw the .22 in the creek.

 

[silverlance]

hm

.30 carbine good, any rifle is good. i have yugo sks, will be replacing that with keltec su16ca. bear in mind tho that the "round nose" 30 will still sail right through multiple walls. check out box of truth's 9mm test fo rdetails.

p228 9mm, night sighted. .22lr is crap for defense unless you have nothing better. you want them to stop coming at you, not drown in own blood 3 hours later.

benelli m1s90, 12g 00 buck lrecoil. pgo shotgun is always crap unless you plan on waiting for them to get within spitting distance. and BIRDSHOT??!! are you planning for a squirrel invasion with the .22lrs and birdshot? wait till i post pics of how 1/4 inch PVC PIPE was able to stop a FULL LOAD of birdshot. the little pellets just splatter into little grey splotches on the pvc pipe pipe at 20 yards. how do i know? well, because the frames at my range are made of pvc pipe.. and my friend was a lousy shot. do yourself a favor and if you must be cheap, buy a box or two of sellier and belliot or wolf 00 buck. i've heard #4 buck is also good, but i believe in the oh-ohes.

that said, if this is your beginner's tri-gun then congrats, you're off to a good start. if you absolutely MUST make do with what you have, imho, get hollow points for the .22, and about 5 extra magazines. slide lock each bg.

as for the 12g, put the buttstock back on and sell the pg to buy .22 mags.

just my humble opinion.

 

[loose cannon]

some factory really needs to come out with a good 30 carbine jhp load!

any takers?

do like the idea of the 30 carb hgun tho if one has good ammo.

 

[Axel Roarings]

-Trusty M4gery with 4 power scope
-870 12 ga with surefire foregrip, pistol grip butt-stock, 18" barrel, 6 rd mag, 6 rd side saddle
-Sig P226 9mm
-Beretta Tomcat .32

 

[Too Many Choices!?]

Nice setup, since you asked for it, my o.o2..

I l ike the M1 carbine, more than enough power for SHTF ranges, which to me would be,"muzzle to 200m/yds"....Hell if a hot .357 could make it that far, you are fine with the M1 carbine...With the proliferation of body armor now days, you are giving up something in the vest penetration department, which is a concern for some peoples' SHTF plan/gear...Looters you got covered however....

The .22 is cute, and would make a good BUG to another pistol like a mid sized Glock 23(my preferance in midies). If you decide to keep it as your sole SHTF hand gun, it is sorely lacking in the range/power department, but will penetrate flesh, but thick clothing an or bones might make it less than ideal in an anti personal capacityl...I say buy a crap load of mags and practice hittting the elevated center of mass between the left and right clavicles if you do keep it...Gut shots would be next to useless against a close determined attacker, IMHO...Imagine shooting a pissed pit bull or other muscular critter with that round,because there are other,"crittes", about when the SHTF besides the two legged variety...For reference, I shot a racoon from damn near contact range with said Glock 23 in .40 and it sucked up 2 shots to the head(growling and rolling with each shot and then righting itself). I was missing the brain, so I gave it two to the body and it DRT. This was a little racoon, imagine shooting an angry and aggressive Man/beast...

Finally the shottie. Good choice but it eithe rneeds to be shorter so you can sling it on your back and forget it, an add forward pistol grip, or just add a stock to it...Defensive weapons need to be short....Offensive weapons need to be long. This is just my opinion. So if the shotgun is a sit still and drop incoming Baddies add a stock, if ti is to go with you, sbr that thing, or get an aow configured how you like, sling it and forget it....Too Many Choices!?

 

[DelayedReaction]

Right now my SHTF setup would be my internal framepack loaded up for an excursion, my 1911 on my hip, and my SKS in my hands. Once I get the funding the SKS is going to turn into an M1A.

The internal framepack is a standard backpacking rig. Once I finish getting all the equipment, I plan on using it for routine trips that use the same loadout regardless of temperature or weather. Given enough time I should have a system that I'm completely familiar with and know how to use.

 

[Devonai]

(the shotgun) offers almost nothing in the way of real potential. It's mostly just bluff.

Are you talking about ranges over 25 yards (shot) or 100 yards (slugs)? Otherwise it's a royal flush!

A pistol-grip or folding stock pump-action shotgun is an excellent secondary or tertiary weapon and well worth the extra weight, and I wouldn't feel too bad at all with a full-stock shotgun as my primary weapon.

Old4x4, welcome to THR.

 

[DelayedReaction]

you'll have a 60 lb load already, DR. I think that when you do some 2 day hikes with it, you'll not want to add more wt in the form of an M1A. There's 30-40 lbs of other gear that's as least as important as guns and ammo.

If I'm backpacking with a 60 pound load, then I've done something very, very wrong. I'm a big guy (6'9" 285 pounds), but my goal is to keep my pack weight in the region of 30-40 pounds or so. The weekend trips are there specifically so I'll know what does and doesn't work.

 

[DevLcL]

Ok, well I have an update of sorts. I agree that the Walther is probably useless in a defensive situation, SO, I traded my dad the walther for my P95.
Also, I put one of those AR stocks on the mossberg so it no longer has the PGO.

Now the package is this:
.30 Carbine
9mm
12ga (w/full stock)

I really want a Socom scout rifle and I really want an AR but 1: I live in california, and theres no way im getting one of those retarded 10 shot break down AR's. 2: Im a young tile setter barely in his 20's so I hardly have the cash to just go get a gun whenever I feel like it. All my guns are either hand-me-downs, or I worked a month to get it. I spose I could just work two months and get that socom.

-Dev

 

[ReadyontheRight]

.22lr for SHTF

I think the .22lr is an excellent choice for bugging out. Mostly because you can carry thousands of rounds. It's also quieter for foraging for dinner.

Is that .30 Carbine built up from a M1 carbine, or did you buy it like that? Very nice setup!

 

[DelayedReaction]

I really want a Socom scout rifle and I really want an AR but 1: I live in california, and theres no way im getting one of those retarded 10 shot break down AR's. 2: Im a young tile setter barely in his 20's so I hardly have the cash to just go get a gun whenever I feel like it. All my guns are either hand-me-downs, or I worked a month to get it. I spose I could just work two months and get that socom.

Have you considered a SKS? They're extremely cheap and reliable. Around here a Yugo SKS is $140, and that's not even on sale.

 

[DevLcL]

ReadyontheRight
Is that .30 Carbine built up from a M1 carbine, or did you buy it like that? Very nice setup!

Thanks, actually I bought it regular with wood stock and built it up, its nothing fancy just a choate stock with pistol grip and a metal heat shield. I had an old .357 rail that works perfect underneath to mount the light. Then painted the entire thing matte black. I used a dremel to make sure everything is clear of moving parts and have successfully test fired many times.

I saw a show once on the history channel (I think) about an american special forces team attacking some sort of enemy compound from a field. The americans met resistance at the edge of the field and the compund so they turned on all their "tactical lights" and were basically lit up targets to the enemy. If I remember correctly the SF didn't do too well. I would save the light for when I'm REALLY close in an attempt to blind them altogether (the light I have is very bright, not sure about lumens or whatever but I know you can't see for a minute after looking directly at it) OR if the baddie has a knife or something of that nature.

Have you considered a SKS? They're extremely cheap and reliable. Around here a Yugo SKS is $140, and that's not even on sale.

Now that I think about it I own a Winchester 30-30 and an SKS. Both would probably be pretty good if I replaced the M1, but I think I like the lightweight 30c round (and rifle) aswell as the ability to not have to stop and think about reloading until 30 rounds later. I have orignial GI mags and they, so far, have caused no problems... Yes, I am knocking on wood.

It's pretty urban right here were Im at but farm land and such is very short distances away. As well as forested mountains. If I needed to travel to one of these place I'd probably grab a longer range rifle. Preferably I'd grab both the carbine and the sks or the 30-30.

Thanks for all the input, keep it coming with your setups!!
-Dev

 

[DevLcL]

On my wish list are a 12 guage Mossberg and a Mosin M44. A M38 or 91/59 Mosin would work too, but the m44 with the permanent attached bayo all you do is flip that out and its very intimidating without firing a shot. Same thing with the 12 guage, usually one pump is a universal enough sound to someone breaking into your home. At least someone intruding should be familar with it as they have probably heard it before

Here were I live the gun stores have shelf-loads of tactical 870's for only $329+tax. I'll have to pick one up myself here pretty soon.

-Dev