guyfromohio
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Agree. I was given my Wingmaster for Christmas when I was 16 back in the mid-80s. Such a great gun.
looking at a new shotgun remarms 870 or mossberg 590
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.45Coltguy
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Like that avatar. It was a great scene.
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.45Coltguy
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Classic!
I was an 870 fan and I have some experience with the higher end 870's
I got lucky and my local Store had a 590
In stock after getting hands on with it
I realized that my muscle memory still favors the 870 controls
I guess I will be a guinea pig as I ordered an 870 Field master
The counter guy said for what ever it's worth the new 870 field master that was
In stock was more inline with the old Remington production
Guess I'll see when it arrives
I got lucky and my local Store had a 590
In stock after getting hands on with it
I realized that my muscle memory still favors the 870 controls
I guess I will be a guinea pig as I ordered an 870 Field master
The counter guy said for what ever it's worth the new 870 field master that was
In stock was more inline with the old Remington production
Guess I'll see when it arrives
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I have a 590a1 and its awesome. I have fired several rounds of buckshot and slugs, in addition to occasional rounds of trap for kicks. I got the 20" one since vs. The 18.5" its 8+1 versus 6+1 so worth the inch and a half for 33% more on-board.
I like the ghost sight although if it had had a bead I wouldn't have changed it.
I like the ghost sight although if it had had a bead I wouldn't have changed it.
I did see a review online of the new remarms fieldmaster , it was noticeably different then the express model , better finish and fit , different extractor and slide release and barrel had a different taper to it, If I understand it correctly the express that they first released was with rem old stock, but the new remarms made ones "fieldmaster" is reported to be made with higher quality parts and better steel along with better fit and finish with some polished parts to smooth out the action , I did order one and they are a bit more money then the express which I don't mind if the quality is on par the older ones. I will see when it gets here and report back
The Police Academy I took over in January purchased 5 new 590s last year. They were the biggest pieces of junk I’ve seen in a long time. I’ve been working in the firearms industry in some form for over 30 years and was surprised by this. All 5 had to go back to Mossy. I replaced them with new 870s. We’re gonna run the crap out of them in a couple weeks. I’ll report back on how they worked. But they look nicely made.
If you’re interested, the issues w the 590s were twofold - the safeties were extremely difficult to move, sometimes requiring both thumbs. One Cadet sliced his thumb open on one. We ended up not using the safeties. And with slugs, the point of impact was so off (verified by multiple instructors) that we have to put duct tape on the stock with hold over/under info so the cadets knew where to aim on the target so they wouldn’t miss (shotgun quals require 100% to pass).
If you’re interested, the issues w the 590s were twofold - the safeties were extremely difficult to move, sometimes requiring both thumbs. One Cadet sliced his thumb open on one. We ended up not using the safeties. And with slugs, the point of impact was so off (verified by multiple instructors) that we have to put duct tape on the stock with hold over/under info so the cadets knew where to aim on the target so they wouldn’t miss (shotgun quals require 100% to pass).
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I saw some at scheels they look like an 870 express
picked it up today and it is really nice , fit and finish is much nicer then an express , slide racking is smooth and feels like a solid shotgun
the serial number is a RA prefix instead of the R only prefix on the express I have seen. since this was the first new design Rem arms 870 the my local
FFL and I had seen we both agreed it is a much needed improvement for the 870 and hopefully Rem Arms will regain some of the quality the Remington once had
guess time will tell
the serial number is a RA prefix instead of the R only prefix on the express I have seen. since this was the first new design Rem arms 870 the my local
FFL and I had seen we both agreed it is a much needed improvement for the 870 and hopefully Rem Arms will regain some of the quality the Remington once had
guess time will tell
I'm trying to follow Remarms 870 12 gauge Tactical shotguns and it's been darn hard for me.
Today, there seem to be only two "Tactical" 870 pump shotguns offered. Any "Express" models were not shown on the website today. The "Fieldmaster" models only seem to be hunting models with a minimum of 26" or longer barrels.
https://www.remarms.com/shotguns/pump-action/model-870/model-870-special-purpose-marine-magnum
https://www.remarms.com/shotguns/pump-action/model-870/model-870-hardwood-home-defense
Here are the two "Tactical" models showing up on the website as I type, at least, with the older-style and length mag-tubes with +2 round extensions. No ghost-ring-sights.
All this could change at any time when the webmasters come back to work and make any forthcoming web-page changes.
(Or maybe, hopefully not, Remarms goes under like its predecessor).
-I don't understand/know if the "Express" name will be gone indefinitely;
-or if the "Fieldmaster" name & product line will have 18.5" (or shorter) tactical type models. I suppose folks could always just "Form 1" a Tac-14 if they really want/need an "SBS", but without ghost ring sights.
I don't know if ghost ring sights will return, when or if-ever.
I'm keeping my older Remington shotguns for now and hope they don't (ever) break, as I don't know where or how much it'd cost to get them repaired (and if/when parts would (ever) be available.
So far, I'm comfortable with my older Mossberg 590A1, as I've had zero problems, unlike some of the recent posters who have had problems.
Pet Peeve: Folks, please post any web-links and be specific when posting as best you can. I can't tell what shotguns are being talked about when using pronouns like "it" (870 Express Fieldmaster or other) or even "590" (590 being different from 590A1) as there are so many models; and again, I understand Remarms' website may not even list what is being sold at Scheels.com or Gunbroker.com. Thanks
Today, there seem to be only two "Tactical" 870 pump shotguns offered. Any "Express" models were not shown on the website today. The "Fieldmaster" models only seem to be hunting models with a minimum of 26" or longer barrels.
https://www.remarms.com/shotguns/pump-action/model-870/model-870-special-purpose-marine-magnum
https://www.remarms.com/shotguns/pump-action/model-870/model-870-hardwood-home-defense
Here are the two "Tactical" models showing up on the website as I type, at least, with the older-style and length mag-tubes with +2 round extensions. No ghost-ring-sights.
All this could change at any time when the webmasters come back to work and make any forthcoming web-page changes.
(Or maybe, hopefully not, Remarms goes under like its predecessor).
-I don't understand/know if the "Express" name will be gone indefinitely;
-or if the "Fieldmaster" name & product line will have 18.5" (or shorter) tactical type models. I suppose folks could always just "Form 1" a Tac-14 if they really want/need an "SBS", but without ghost ring sights.
I don't know if ghost ring sights will return, when or if-ever.
I'm keeping my older Remington shotguns for now and hope they don't (ever) break, as I don't know where or how much it'd cost to get them repaired (and if/when parts would (ever) be available.
So far, I'm comfortable with my older Mossberg 590A1, as I've had zero problems, unlike some of the recent posters who have had problems.
Pet Peeve: Folks, please post any web-links and be specific when posting as best you can. I can't tell what shotguns are being talked about when using pronouns like "it" (870 Express Fieldmaster or other) or even "590" (590 being different from 590A1) as there are so many models; and again, I understand Remarms' website may not even list what is being sold at Scheels.com or Gunbroker.com. Thanks
Pet Peeve: Folks, please post any web-links and be specific when posting as best you can. I can't tell what shotguns are being talked about when using pronouns like "it" (870 Express Fieldmaster or other) or even "590" (590 being different from 590A1) as there are so many models; and again, I understand Remarms' website may not even list what is being sold at Scheels.com or Gunbroker.com. Thanks
Here at the Mossy guns that were absolute junk:
https://www.mossberg.com/product/590a1-m-lok-50766/
And here are the RemArms guns I got (mine are 4 shot tube models):https://www.remarms.com/shotguns/pump-action/model-870/model-870-hardwood-home-defense
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I used to worship at the alter of Remington, but today I would go to the "known" and pick the Mossberg. I used both in the mil, and never had either let me down mechanically.
Post 40, thanks for the info. The prior posts referred only to the "590" model shotguns and not the 590A1 versions.
I thought there may have been a quality difference between the two, with the 590A1 possibly being somehow better; apparently not.
I think I'll refrain from buying a new shotgun for the time-being. I was considering a new Mossberg 590A1. I suppose if I found one in a LGS and could handle it first, perhaps that would determine whether the safety was acceptable, but only shooting would determine if the gun with slugs was able to be sighted-in. That prior recent reports regarding the 590A1 disappoints me as most of my experience was with various 590A1 models and my one personally-owned example is great, but that one is ~20 years old now.
I thought there may have been a quality difference between the two, with the 590A1 possibly being somehow better; apparently not.
I think I'll refrain from buying a new shotgun for the time-being. I was considering a new Mossberg 590A1. I suppose if I found one in a LGS and could handle it first, perhaps that would determine whether the safety was acceptable, but only shooting would determine if the gun with slugs was able to be sighted-in. That prior recent reports regarding the 590A1 disappoints me as most of my experience was with various 590A1 models and my one personally-owned example is great, but that one is ~20 years old now.
I posted some pictures of one of the new 870s our academy got over on my IG page if anyone is interested:https://www.instagram.com/p/Cbq2zs8MKTH/?utm_medium=copy_link
Thanks for the update. I hope Remington makes a comeback. I have four now and used them in the Corps, they are solid shotguns that I have become accustomed to.
luzyfuerza
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If used for defensive purposes, a Mossberg 88/500/590 is superior to any 870 manufactured in the last 40 years in at least one way:
Type III malfunctions are MUCH more difficult to clear in an 870.
A type III occurs when the extractor leaves a fired hull in the chamber, but the slide can still be moved to the rear. Then, if the slide is moved forward, picking up a fresh shell, the fresh shell runs into the base of the fired round.
Getting that fresh round out of a modern 870 requires advanced "shotgun wrestling". It cannot be done quickly. For an 88/500/590, this only requires pulling the slide back.
For duck hunting or clays, this doesn't matter too much. But for a gun used for serious social work, it is worth thinking about.
Type III malfunctions are MUCH more difficult to clear in an 870.
A type III occurs when the extractor leaves a fired hull in the chamber, but the slide can still be moved to the rear. Then, if the slide is moved forward, picking up a fresh shell, the fresh shell runs into the base of the fired round.
Getting that fresh round out of a modern 870 requires advanced "shotgun wrestling". It cannot be done quickly. For an 88/500/590, this only requires pulling the slide back.
For duck hunting or clays, this doesn't matter too much. But for a gun used for serious social work, it is worth thinking about.
mcb
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Roll a $100 up and put it in the chamber of a RemArm LLC shotgun and I wouldn't give you $80 for it.
Seen too many Mossbergs malfunction or just fall apart to trust them either.
I would go with an older 870 Wingmaster/Police if you're set on one of those two. But there are better guns out there like a Browning BPS, Ithica 37 etc.
Seen too many Mossbergs malfunction or just fall apart to trust them either.
I would go with an older 870 Wingmaster/Police if you're set on one of those two. But there are better guns out there like a Browning BPS, Ithica 37 etc.
Went with a nephew to look at a few pump guns on Friday. No mossbergs available at the one place we stopped. They had new fieldmasters that looked ok (but just ok). Receiver appeared to be aluminum and the extractor is definitely MIM, wood looked good but was dull (ez fix). My nephew thought it was some kind of synthetic furniture. Light weight compared to my all steel NEF 870 clone (we put another 150+ rounds through it this morning, not at all disappointed with that gun).
The nicest 'nephew's budget' pump gun they had there IMHO was the Benelli Nova.
He's still hunting for a mossberg 500 combo I think.
The nicest 'nephew's budget' pump gun they had there IMHO was the Benelli Nova.
He's still hunting for a mossberg 500 combo I think.
I would get an "870 Magnum" with police furniture. A lot of these guns were made and used by police departments. I just picked up one for $306, about $400 when taxes, shipping, and ffl is paid.
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