Looking for a new carry gun

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Currently have a CZ P07 and while it works for sweatshirt and coat weather I'd like to have something smaller to carry, especially at work where my manager had taken a strick no print policy similar to what I imagine Cali or NJ would have. (I don't actually know the laws in those states I've just heard they are draconian at best)
The features I'm looking for are SA/DA with a decocker and would prefer no manual safety. My top picks right now are Sig p239 or CZ RAMI BD. Given that the Sig is a bit more cash than I'd like to put into a carry pice and the RAMI is apparently a fool's errand to try and find I'm interested in other options I might not be aware about. I know the Walther p99c fits the bill and is currently my fall back if I can't find my other two choices.

Anyone have a CZ PCR able to attest to how easy it is to carry? I work as an electrician and fairly active on the job.
 
I used to have a PCR, until it got sold for rent money. My favorite handgun.
It's not going to be much different than that P-07. Even a hair heavier. Not hard to hide--I did it on my 130-pound frame--but probably no easier than your current.
I've seen RAMIs out there, but of course never when I'm searching. That would of course be my first choice, and I'd eagerly grab one if I had the means. It just takes some searching.
I can't comment on the other choices. I opted for a Ruger SR9c with no regrets, despite preferences similar to yours.

On a complete aside, about your avatar: nice Grey Ghost. :D
 
Was wondering how long it would take someone to comment on a paintball photo. Thanks for the compliment. Was recommended to this forum from a paintball site so seemed fitting.

To stay on topic I should add caliber isn't a top concern for me. 9mm is nice but I really enjoyed shooting a p239 in .40 and wouldn't mind being able to flip to .357 Sig by just buying a barrel. Not opposed to going lighter in caliber either but no one in my local circles knows anything about smaller than 9 so I'm in the dark there.
 
Walther P99c AS may work for you. Striker fired, but still DA/SA with a decocker, no safety. I've had one for a little while now and really like it.
 
I carry a PCR, and have since 2000. It is a fine pistol, but no smaller than the P-07, and about the same weight. The RAMI is also a bit chunky, and doesn't reduce the size, and weight much over the PCR, or P-07. There are several single stack, compact, 9MM available, and that's where I'd gravitate if size, and weight were a concern. S&W Shield, Springfield XDs, Sig P938, Walther PPS, etc.
 
I have a PCR. Like others have mentioned, it's not going to be a big difference in carry size and weight from a P-07.

Since I can't carry OWB at work, and I don't like carrying IWB, the only way I get to carry my CZ PCR is in a shoulder holster under a jacket in the winter months.
 
Agree with others in suggesting you might need to go smaller with a single stack. Given your profession and need to be mobile, perhaps even pocket carry could be considered. There aren't a whole lot of small single stack pistols that meet your design parameters, however, so you might want to consider some striker fired designs. Good luck.
 
Thanks for the input. With how I currently carry the only parts that prints enough to bother my employer is the base of the magazine when I bend over. Weight isn't a top priority, I normally have enough crap hanging off my belt at work another five pounds won't be noticed. Don't think a shoulder holster will work with company t-shirts.
Hadn't thought about pocket carry before. Anyone have a link to beginner's guide on pocket carry?
 
I've found pocket carry not worth it if you are constantly kneeling down or bending over (my dad was an electrician, and I have my license, although I'm a pool cleaner by trade.) The way it wads up in my pocket is uncomfortable, and forget drawing it while you are sitting. I would also think it would wear a hole in your pants/pocket over time.

Question for you... why all the DA/SA decocker crap? If you want something neat and petite maybe check out a Kahr... yes, they are single-stacks, but they are very slim with no 'furniture' on the outside besides the slide stop. My brother has a PPK/s, and I found when I was doing draw and shoot drills I was constantly missing the lever... or hitting it accidentally; granted, that probably comes from all my years shooting a 1911 'thumb over' the safety, I had the same problem with an HK I was test driving.
 
I've had a few P07s and I currently own a couple P239s, PCRs, P-01 SDP, p99AS, and an Hkp30sk. Any will be great guns. The p239 shoots great, doesn't print, but is a bit heavy for 9 rounds. The PCR and P-01 are good size and really don't print much either. The P99AS is light and trim, but does have a long handle. At 2:00, you're fine. Move it back and you will print. Check out the HK....fat, but carries well. I've had the Rami BD and I HATED it. Horrible grip. Horrible shooter.



Here's a comparison that I did a few years ago.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ry-guns-cz-vs-glock-vs-sig-vs-walther.811068/
 
Since you are primarily worried about grip length take a look at the HK P30SK. It will work with 10,13, and 15 round magazines. Trigger configurations include LEM and DA/SA with or without a safety. I find I can shoot mine very well with the 10 round magazine with no pinky extension too. My conceals very well with the 13 round magzine too. I find it to be a really sweet shooter too. It has been out for a couple years now and I don't recall reading about any problems with the P30SK. Usually can be bought for around $560 range.

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Nice review. The Walther I'm looking at is the compact version and according to their website comes in at 4.3" which is in the ballpark of what a lot of staple carry guns are from what I've seen.

I'll have to check out H&k again. The only store in my area that had any on hand that I know of had almost hostile clerks and I left before I got a real good look.

I'm open to striker fired guns but the SA/DA is important, it just is to me, and the p99 is the only striker I know like that. I'm asking you guy because in the two months I've been lurking around here I've learned about three or four manufacturers that I never heard of in my local circles so I figured you guys would know the hidden gems.
 
Another one to look at if you really want a da/sa is the Beretta Storm subcompact. I don’t personally own one, but came to mind when I was thinking of something that fits your criteria.
 
Here's one I did with the HK and the P99C AS.

Truth-be-told, I have since gotten rid of the compact and the V3 and now have the HK v1. Both would serve you very well. The P99C needs the mag with the grip extension, IMO and buy the night sights from Midway. Easy to install with no tools.

The HK needs night sights. The glow in the darks are crap. Also, I shoot that better without any grip extensions. The finger rest extensions caused my POI to change dramatically. Can't go wrong with either though.



https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/walther-p99c-vs-hk-p30sk.789253/
 
If you want to downsize to something close to pocket carry size, a Bersa Thunder 380 Concealed Carry model might be worth considering. It’s DA/SA and has a decocker.
 
A simple solution may be just to go up a size from your normal cover garment. My normal size in tees and polos are large, but I wear extra large when using as cover garment. Just a thought.
 
Thanks for the input. With how I currently carry the only parts that prints enough to bother my employer is the base of the magazine when I bend over. Weight isn't a top priority, I normally have enough crap hanging off my belt at work another five pounds won't be noticed. Don't think a shoulder holster will work with company t-shirts.
Hadn't thought about pocket carry before. Anyone have a link to beginner's guide on pocket carry?

I'm a traveling service tech that works standing, kneeling, squatting, on all fours, laying on my sides, sometimes on my back. I've been pocket carrying since I got my carry license in 2008 at work every day wherever it is legal. It does depend on the cut of the pants and the pocket size and shape . Khaki pants tend to have better suited pockets for carrying the larger pocket guns than snug fitting jeans.

With the variety of pocket holsters out there, I've never had a pocket pistol or pocket revolver or even a pocket holster wear a hole in my pocket. That's with either khaki type pants or jeans. A fellow tech has done the same for the same length of time, but he is a jeans only guy.

Drawing the gun while seated or on the ground is problematic. The other thing you have to watch for is, will your gun fall out of your pocket because you're laying on the ground in a certain way with a "easy draw" pocket holster? One has to pick a better holster or know not to get into certain positions unless you disarm.

A pocket gun isn't a great car gun or while your turning a wrench gun. But it is a pretty good option for walking in industrial areas or commercial areas while dragging a tool cart along. Or any other place you need to go, workday or day off.

Not a real pocket carry guide, but I can tell you how my particular pocket guns work for me. In order or purchase.

Taurus 85UL .38 Special:
Easiest gun to draw out of all my pocket guns due to the grip being behind the gun. The "banana" shape of a pocket revolver compared to the "L" shape of a semi-auto adds to the slickness of draw for a snub nose revolver. I cut off the hammer spur early on to reduce snagging on the draw. Overall size is larger than my other pocket guns, so it won't go in pants with small pockets.

NAA Guardian .32 ACP:
Smallest pocket gun I own. A true double action only hammer fired gun not unlike the 85UL. Has double strike capability. No manual safety lever. Hardest gun to shoot well that I own, but it fits in pockets that no other pocket gun I have will go into.

Taurus TCP732 .32 ACP:
One step up in size from the Guardian. Much easier to shoot than the Guardian. Uses a semi-cocked hammer which does not give double strike capability. No manual safety lever. Fits in most pockets very well. Sized the same as the ubiquitous Ruger LCP.

Remington RM380 .380 ACP:
A little wider in the grip than the TCP732. Easy to shoot well. Another true double action only hammer fired gun with double strike capability. No manual safety lever. Fits in most pockets well, but a little fat in tighter jeans.

All my pocket guns have long double action type triggers. It's just my preference since I started off with revolvers before I ever owned semi-auto pistols.

Also, all my pocket guns ride in stiff pocket holsters. All but one holster is leather. A holster is important to keep the trigger covered and to keep the grip at the top of the pocket for drawing.

Depending on how you clean your clothes, you will likely have lint in your gun. If you already have an air compressor at your home, you have the best lint removal tool ever. Just unload your gun before blasting it with air, of course.

My RM380 gets put in my pocket more than the rest of them. It's shorter, thinner, and holds two more cartridges than my snub nose revolver. The only thing the RM380 does worse than the snub nose revolver is it is not as quick to grab and draw. That snubby is slick and quick from a khaki pants pocket when standing up. Loose fit work jeans are almost as easy to draw from as khakis.
 
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Here is a list with the dimensions for a number of compact and sub-compact 9mm guns.

Rohrbaugh R9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 2.9 in
Length: 5.2 in
Height: 3.7 in
Slide Width: .82 in
Width at thickest part of pistol: .95 in
Weight: 13.5 oz, magazine 1.6 oz
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds

Boberg XR9-S (Shorty)
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.35 in
Length: 5.1 in
Height: 4.2 in
Width: .96 in
Weight: 17.5 oz
Capacity: 7+1 Rounds

Kahr MK9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.0 in
Length: 5.3 in
Height: 4.0 in
Slide Width: .90 in
Width at slide stop: 1.0 in
Weight: Pistol 22.1 oz, Magazine 1.9 oz
Capacity: 6+1

Kahr PM9 / CM9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.1 in
Length: 5.42 in
Height: 4.0 in
Slide Width: .90 in
Width at slide stop: 1.0 in
Weight: Pistol 14 oz, Magazine 1.9 oz
Capacity: 6+1

Double Tap Defense Douple Tap
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.0 in
Length: 5.5 in
Height: 3.9 in
Width: 0.665 in
Weight: 15 oz Titanium, 13 0z Aluminum
Capacity: 2

Kimber Solo
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 2.7 in
Length: 5.5 in
Height: 3.9 in
Width: 1.2 in
Weight: 17 oz
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds

SIG SAUER P290
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 2.9 in
Length: 5.5 in
Height: 3.9 in
Width: 0.9 in - 1.1" w/slide catch (roughly the same width as MK9, Kahr lists the width of the slide only)
Weight: 20.5 oz w/magazine
Capacity: 6+1

Diamondback DB9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.0 in
Length: 5.60 in
Height: 4.0 in
Width: 0.80 in
Weight: 11 oz
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds

Kel Tec PF-11
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.1 in
Length: 5.6 in
Height: 4.3 in
Width: 1.0 in
Weight: 14 oz
Capacity: 10+1 Rounds

Beretta Nano
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.07 in
Length: 5.63 in
Height: 4.17 in
Width: .90 in
Weight: 17.67 oz
Capacity: 6+1

SCCY CPX-2
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.1 in
Length: 5.7 in
Height: 4.0 in (without mag extensions)
Width: 1.0 in
Weight: 15.0 oz
Capacity: 10+1 Rounds

Kel Tec PF-9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.1 in
Length: 5.87 in
Height: 4.3 in
Width: .88 in
Weight: 12.7 oz
Capacity: 7+1 Rounds

SIG SAUER P938
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.0 in
Length: 5.9 in
Height: 3.9 in (not counting magazine w/extension)
Width: 1.1 in
Weight: 16.0 oz
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds

Ruger LC9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.12 in
Length: 6.0 in
Height: 4.5 in
Slide Width: .90in
Weight: 17.10 oz
Capacity: 7+1

Remington R-51
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.4 in
Length: 6.0 in
Height: 4.5 in
Width: .96in
Weight: 20.0 oz
Capacity: 7+1

Smith & Wesson Shield
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.1 in
Length: 6.1 in
Height: 4.6 in
Width: .95in
Weight: 19.0 oz
Capacity: 7+1

Taurus 709FS
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.2 in
Length: 6.24 in
Height: 4.52 in (without mag extensions)
Width: 1.04 in
Weight: 19.0 oz
Capacity: 7+1 Rounds

Glock 43
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.39 in
Length: 6.26 in
Height: 4.25 in
Width: 1.02 in
Weight: 17.95 oz
Capacity: 6+1 Round

Taurus Millennium G2 PT111
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.28 in
Length: 6.24 in
Height: 5.1 in
Width: 1.22 in
Weight: 22.0 oz
Capacity: 12+1 Rounds

Glock 26
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.46 in
Length: 6.29 in
Height: 4.17 in
Width: 1.18 in
Weight: 19.75 oz w/o magazine
Capacity: 10+1 Rounds

Walther PPS
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.2 in
Length: 6.3 in
Height: 4.4 in
Width: .90 in
Weight: 20.0 oz
Capacity: 6+1

Springfield Armory XDs
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.3 in
Length: 6.3 in
Height: 4.4 in
Width: .90 in
Weight: 23.0 oz w/empty 7rd magazine
Capacity: 7+1

Bersa BP9CC
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.3 in
Length: 6.35 in
Height: 4.8 in
Width: .94 in
Weight: 21.5 oz
Capacity: 8+1

HK P2000SK
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.26 in
Length: 6.40 in
Height: 4.55 in
Width: 1.37 in
Weight: 24 oz
Capacity: 8+1
 
Currently have a CZ P07 and while it works for sweatshirt and coat weather I'd like to have something smaller to carry, especially at work where my manager had taken a strick no print policy similar to what I imagine Cali or NJ would have. (I don't actually know the laws in those states I've just heard they are draconian at best)
The features I'm looking for are SA/DA with a decocker and would prefer no manual safety. My top picks right now are Sig p239 or CZ RAMI BD. Given that the Sig is a bit more cash than I'd like to put into a carry pice and the RAMI is apparently a fool's errand to try and find I'm interested in other options I might not be aware about. I know the Walther p99c fits the bill and is currently my fall back if I can't find my other two choices.

Anyone have a CZ PCR able to attest to how easy it is to carry? I work as an electrician and fairly active on the job.
They don't make a DA/SA pistol that is easy to carry at work, but I sure wish they would. The Beretta Tomcat is about the only one, and it's still a bit fat. It's also a 32acp.

I've owned many subcompact and pocket pistols. If you want something safe and reliable, nothing beats the original Ruger LCP in my opinion. It's DA only, but it's still accurate enough for what it was designed for. If you want something that's fairly accurate, there are several micro single action 1911s like the Colt Mustang, baby kimbers or the baby Sigs. Unfortunately, at this current time, they don't make a DA/SA pocket gun that won't print in your pocket if your pants fit you. Honestly, even the little micro 1911s print on most people unless one uses a wallet holster.

If you want a 9mm, and you're willing to carry a slightly bigger gun in your waist, nothing carries easier then I Kel-Tec pf9 imo. It's double DA only, but it shoots just as good your typical 3-inch revolver when fired DA. If you're okay with a safe action striker pistol (I'm assuming you're not) there are too many to list. My wife owns a Glock 42, and it carries pretty easy in the waist. I can't imagine the Glock 43 being too much more difficult to carry.

I carry a cz p01 from time to time, and I would love a single stack version of that pistol in a subcompact. If they could get the slide and grip down to an inch thick, and shave a half inch off the height and length, I would buy one tomorrow.
 
I'm also an electrician. For work a single stack or j frame with a pocket holster in the cargo pocket of my carhartt pants works the best.

If you really want a DA/SA I would also recommend the p2000sk. My buddy has 1 and it's great.
 
The pants are the Duluth firehose pants with large cargo pockets on the thighs. Any have any experience carrying in a thigh pocket opposed to a front pocket? I currently put my wallet in one and never have an issue with binding, from the looks of it pocket holsters seem to be about wallet sized correct? I also wear them a size or two big. When I first started considering concealed carry a friend recommended to wear larger pants and I find them much more comfortable that way anyways.

Thanks again for information and feedback, especially count zero. If it isn't a Sig, Glock, s&w, Springfield, Ruger, walther, or CZ I doubt I know the company. Still really new to handguns.
 
........huh????

As apposed to carrying in or on the waist. Is this some type of a joke?
In my first life I was a cable guy. I regularly worked in some of the worse neighborhoods in the state of Texas.

OK service techs, this is how you want to carry a piece into some dirtbag's home if you actually work for a living.

Jeepers, buddy, calm down. Yes, as a matter of fact, I'd rather carry IWB or OWB than in my pocket. As I said, at least for me... I don't wear baggy pants... trying to draw a weapon out of my pocket and presenting in any reasonable time is futile, but I can carry my CM9 tucked up at 4 O'clock in my waistband and have access to it no matter what position I'm in, certainly more so than trying to dig one out of my pocket. In lieu of carrying a piece in my toolbag, I carry a collapsible baton... it looks like a tool handle and no one is the wiser, and I don't have to keep my bag secured.

I guess I'm lucky... I work for myself. If I get somewhere and don't like the looks of the place, I just drive on. The best way to not lose a fight is to not enter it.
 
Thanks for the input. With how I currently carry the only parts that prints enough to bother my employer is the base of the magazine when I bend over. Weight isn't a top priority, I normally have enough crap hanging off my belt at work another five pounds won't be noticed. Don't think a shoulder holster will work with company t-shirts.
Hadn't thought about pocket carry before. Anyone have a link to beginner's guide on pocket carry?
Bersa Thunder Carry. Reliable, DA/SA, very thin, few hard edges- and cheap enough that you won't cry if it gets dinged and scratched.
 
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