Looking into a Hi Point

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I'll admit, I never post before reading all the previous posts, but in this case there are too many and they really don't matter. I've seen a number of Hi Points that have done very well. They are big, clunky, and ugly. They are also accurate and reliable. All the negative info I've seen differently is based on a single example. There are always some guns that are bad from any manufacturer.

I agree that the Hi Point is no great gun in terms of asthetics, but it is fine for plinking and will defend your home as well as any other gun in the same caliber. Get one. If you decide shooting is your thing, there are hundreds of other guns that are great.
 
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go read my post under "worst handgun you have ever shot"

Last Taurus I ever owned, an 85, could not hit a man size target at 7 yards using a bench rest. How is that more reliable than a HP that I can hit a 8.5x11 sheet of paper with, shooting offhand at the same distance, 8 out of 8 times?
I don't know about your Taurus or what you are accustomed to shooting, but I have a good number of Taurus revolvers (80, 82, 85, 66) and they all shoot anywhere from 1" to 3" groups off-hand at that range. Definitely hitting COM on a small silhouette. 3" groups would be from the 85 and 1" from the 66 using mag loads. Also, were you shooting double-action or single action on the revolver? The 85 snub or any snub for that matter is not a range toy and is not too accurate outside of 15 feet.

Keep in mind, we're talking about reliability and not accuracy. A Hi-Point is not reliable out of the box. A revolver is reliable if it passes the first couple of cylinders of test rounds. A Hi-Point requires many many magazines to break in. YES I am a Hi-Point owner.

If we come down to brass tacks, accuracy is almost always more dependent on the shooter than the gun. Most guns are more accurate than the shooter - even a Hi Point or a Taurus 85.
 
I don't know about your Taurus or what you are accustomed to shooting, but I have a good number of Taurus revolvers (80, 82, 85, 66) and they all shoot anywhere from 1" to 3" groups off-hand at that range. Definitely hitting COM on a small silhouette. 3" groups would be from the 85 and 1" from the 66 using mag loads. Also, were you shooting double-action or single action on the revolver? The 85 snub or any snub for that matter is not a range toy and is not too accurate outside of 15 feet.

Keep in mind, we're talking about reliability and not accuracy.

um....

Back to my original post. Comparing apples and oranges never seems to work, and most intellegent people that I know understand that revolvers and semi's are two completely different animals.

And, I don't know about you, but I RELY on my guns to protect me from any threat, I RELY on my guns to be able to neutralize a threat at my max comfort zone, I RELY on my guns to protect my life. If I do not feel a gun is RELIABLE, If I can not RELY on it to protect my life, I get rid of it. Period.

The only gun that I have ever owned and gotten rid of for not being reliable is a Taurus 85. Ironically, I traded it in to a dealer at a gun show for 2 C9's. Both fired straight from the box, and between the two there has never been a FTF or FTE. And, yes, I do carry my HP. Luckily, I live in a OC friendly state, and have a nice logo'd leather Galco holster I display it in.

Keep in mind, we're talking about reliability and not accuracy. A Hi-Point is not reliable out of the box. A revolver is reliable if it passes the first couple of cylinders of test rounds. A Hi-Point requires many many magazines to break in. YES I am a Hi-Point owner.

If we come down to brass tacks, accuracy is almost always more dependent on the shooter than the gun. Most guns are more accurate than the shooter - even a Hi Point or a Taurus 85.

And, just to satisfy your curoisity, I fired 5 rounds single action from a steadied bench rest at a man size silhouette at 7 yards, which is my max comfort zone. 3 missed the silhouette completely, one in the groin, and one in the femur. all were aimed at center mass. Follow up with a Phoenix Arms .22 and HiPoint JHP .40, both at same distance, both from same bench rest. Fired 5 rounds from each, .22 had a palm size grouping in center mass, HP had 2" groupings. I pretty much feel that user error was not a factor in the test.

But, again, this is opinion. If you feel that you can trust your life to a Taurus, more power to you. I just hope that you are never proven wrong.
 
For grins I went to the range with my HP C9 over lunch today. Not one malfunction with standard mags. Jammed about 3 times with the "hi-cap" 10 rounder. Groupings ok at about 2" at 7 yards. Anyway, I do know that HP's are ok guns and are a good value for the money, I just choose other firearms for SD/HD.

RE the Taurus snub - Like I'd said - a snub for anything further than 15' is iffy, especially for me. Sure, there's always going to be those who will claim sub 1" groups at 25 yards with a 2" barreled revolver...
 
OK, for those that have been following the "I need a house-gun (SD/HD) for my dad - "the-old-Marine" saga - I have an update and a challenge for you:

UPDATE
I found a used Makarov for $150.00, came with one of those "nifty" East German holsters that has a pocket for an extra clip, and a total of two magazines (the 200 rounds of 9mm Makarov cost nearly as much as the pistol).

Talked my brother into going in with me on a Hi-Point C-9...(he bought the same amount of 9mm Luger ammo, for HALF the price of the 9mm Makarov).


CHALLENGE
We're going to let the Old Marine test drive 'em both at a local range in Pensacola...whichever of his son's pistols he likes the best, he goes home with...

Which one do you think he'll choose?

I'll post the results...(beware you gunsnobs...)!

Thanks for everyone's help and information!
 
If dad chooses the C9, I'll keep the Makarov as my "car gun", if dad chooses the Mak, My brother will keep the C9 (since he paid more than half) for his own SD/HD - either way, we'll use it for our "family bonding time" when I come to town for business every 4 to 6 weeks....

Everyone wins!

As many have related - as long as we're all shooting together (fun implied) - what does it matter?!
 
It's not dumb.My brother has several in 40 cal,including a rifle.Ugly,heavy?Yes.They are cheap because you do not pay for tooling and fancy accessory packages. I had a 9mm and it shot circles around my Glock.
Ask a burglar what he thinks when he's hauling butt to get away.He doesn't care.no one getting shot cares about who the manufacturer is.
 
UPDATE
I found a used Makarov for $150.00, came with one of those "nifty" East German holsters that has a pocket for an extra clip, and a total of two magazines (the 200 rounds of 9mm Makarov cost nearly as much as the pistol).

Talked my brother into going in with me on a Hi-Point C-9...(he bought the same amount of 9mm Luger ammo, for HALF the price of the 9mm Makarov).

Did you get a Makarov or a CZ-82? 9x18 Silver Bear cartridges are about $10 to $12 a box of 50. Between a real Mak or a CZ-82 and a Hi Point C9, I'd pick the Commie pistol in a NY minute.
 
I had a Hi-Point 9mm and I can say this...It never malfunctioned and i got what I paid for it when I sold it. It was probably the most uncomfortable gun i have ever held, but it shot well and went bang every time i pulled the trigger.
 
I'd guess he'd go for the mak unless it's not accurate,etc.
I bought a Russian Nagant in 7.62 revolver.I like the looks and the way it handles.Setback is the ammo is expensive.Found some from Hotshots for around $36 per 50 rds.It has a cone shape on the end and when you cock it,the cylinder rotates forward and the brass ring actually seats against the barrel.
It makes a pretty good truck gun.one thing i found is not to overly lubricate an old war time pistol.They are worn and will get sloppy.The Nagant doesn't cycle as a d/a when lubed up.It does fine when the cylinder is dry.
Found out from my gunsmith that i can shoot 32 long ammo in it for 1/3 the price. Bought a box but haven't shot any of it.It is appx.3/8 an inch shorter than the Nagant ammo and will not get a good seal.I'm sure there will be some flash burns.Ha.
 
Thought about a Sig mosquito?Haven't shot one but have held one and they feel good. one of the best .22s i have owned was a Browning Buckmark. You could plink a can down a trail until ammo ran out..22s are the most under rated weapons out there.A friend of mine who is former LE said he'd rather be shot with any larger caliber .The 22 is so fast and unpredictable as where it will end up.If you got shot in the knee it may end up in your rib cage.
 
The cop probably made a few bucks off it.Next time call me.
Taking it to the Police station???Sends a weird message. I'd at least greased it up and hid it somewhere i you could get to it in case tshtf. Trade for ammo for your favorite piece?
 
They said the same neg about Ruger when i bought my first one in the early 70's. "No cop would own one"."Can't get certified with one".
Reminds me of an article i read from an old hunting magazine.Guys were sitting around a campfire talking about which caliber was the best for deer.
We have to remember up until the late 60's,early 70's there wasn't a selection of calibers like we have today. Some had brought home weapons from WW1 and WW2.
Long story short,two guys got in a brawl over it.One guy claimed the 22 lr was the greatest all around deer killing round.The other fellow,a lawyer or some other career which made considerable more money was all about 30-06 or something.
Who was right? Both of them. Which ever you feel is correct for yourself is right.To criticize someone because they disagree is ????
I have a former b-i-l that has killed more deer with a 22 than several of us combined.Legal?No.Effective?Yes. He kept his family from going hungry in the recession of the 70's.
 
The model 85 is to press into someones rib cage.It isn't a range gun.S/D only.
I have a model 83 with a four inch barrel.It outshhoots my S&W,Dan Wesson,and many semis of friends.
It's not top end but is dependable.I don't know what to tell the guys who knock them.Either they haven't shot them personally,had a bad experience with a junk gun,or are just plain ol grumpy wanna argue???????
 
i'd say avoid hipoint. you'll be spending 100's of dollars on a piece of trash when a 100 more will get you a quality product.
 
Hipoints are not safe. We have 1 fellow distinguished member on here that said he has shot dozens of hipoints and never had one fire twice and he said he has had numerous of them blow up in his hand. Several of us here was wondering how he was typing his responses. He must have been using his knubbs. We are very fortunate here on THR to have members like this that will go to the lengths of using their knubbs of blown off fingers to warn us of the dangers of these horrible guns that actually costs, according to lord teapot, 100's of dollars.
 
Ha!! Where were you when he and all his friends were stump-breaking me for even CONSIDERING buying the Old Marine a Hi-Point (**note** the Old Marine sold-off his place in town, used the "pile" of cash to buy a 2 br mobilehome on 5 acres of land - and moved he and my mom....waaaay out in the "kuntry" - I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be too proud to OWN a free pistol)?!
 
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Did you get a Makarov or a CZ-82? 9x18 Silver Bear cartridges are about $10 to $12 a box of 50. Between a real Mak or a CZ-82 and a Hi Point C9, I'd pick the Commie pistol in a NY minute.
I got an East German Makarov (and 2 magazines, and a "nifty" East German Holster w/extra mag pouch, and 4 boxes of ammo for less than $250)!

Looks a little like this (only thinly blued):

egmak2.jpg
 
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