mgmorden
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It might work in a pinch, but IMHO there are better guns out there for the money. Skip lunch 2 days and use the difference to buy a $200 CZ-82 or Tokarev and you'll have a FAR superior weapon compared to a Hi Point.
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all i can tell you there is that he's dead wrong there. they're perhaps the least finicky guns ever produced.
anyway, i don't see the point of this thread. your mind is completely made up already and you're just looking for justification. if it were my father, having the same preferences as your father, i'd save up (or sacrifice something) to get him something other than a hi-point, such as a ruger p95 or basic RIA.
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The root cause of the problem is this: firearms, especially NEW firearms, are one of the few retail items that you can't actually try out or test before you buy (in most cases.) You can test drive a car, sit on furniture in the show room, play musical instruments...even try on clothing (if there's a dressing room.) Heck, they even give you free samples at the grocery store. Most gun stores don't have a shooting range in the basement, though. Because of this, it's very hard for a person to make a truly informed decision, either pro or con.
Hey if people have put thousands of rounds through Hi Points without a problem, how can you argue with that? That just wasn't my experience. My gun wasn't horrible, average
accuracy but I had a jam every 3 or 4 magazines. Wasn't acceptable to me. But maybe they've improved since then.
Hey if people have put thousands of rounds through Hi Points without a problem, how can you argue with that? That just wasn't my experience. My gun wasn't horrible, average
accuracy but I had a jam every 3 or 4 magazines. Wasn't acceptable to me. But maybe they've improved since then.
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Hi-Points are the leading cause of divorce. Sig Sauer is the secret to marital bliss.
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Aww what the heck...I'll wade in here for a minute.
I have shot HiPoint pistols....several of them.
Most were 9mm versions but my father in law had a 40 that he bought when he first got his CCW permit (for a truck gun)...and friend also bought a 40 for his girlfriend.
I have never seen any of them fail to function...not one single time.
I have also never shot one, or seen anybody else shoot one...and it hit where it was aimed!
NONE of them were properly sighted at the factory...all shot low, no matter who was shooting them (meaning it IS the gun, not the shooter)
I wouldn't pay $1.75 for one...let alone $175.
They do look a lot like a Black & Decker drill, they are top heavy (a result of the blowback action)...
And last, but not least...for a little over twice the $$$, you can get 10 times the pistol (Glock, Smith & Wesson, Springfield)
My father in law now carries a Glock 36...I bought it for him.
That is my opinion and experience with HiPoint firearms
I have shot HiPoint pistols....several of them.
Most were 9mm versions but my father in law had a 40 that he bought when he first got his CCW permit (for a truck gun)...and friend also bought a 40 for his girlfriend.
I have never seen any of them fail to function...not one single time.
I have also never shot one, or seen anybody else shoot one...and it hit where it was aimed!
NONE of them were properly sighted at the factory...all shot low, no matter who was shooting them (meaning it IS the gun, not the shooter)
I wouldn't pay $1.75 for one...let alone $175.
They do look a lot like a Black & Decker drill, they are top heavy (a result of the blowback action)...
And last, but not least...for a little over twice the $$$, you can get 10 times the pistol (Glock, Smith & Wesson, Springfield)
My father in law now carries a Glock 36...I bought it for him.
That is my opinion and experience with HiPoint firearms
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I think if you compare the High Point to a Quality pistol by the same standards, the High Point would fail miserably. The only + for the High Point is it is priced cheap at about $110. I bought a used CZ83 in VG condition on GB for $220 and is an excellent pistol by any standards. Remember what they say, good guns aren't cheap and cheap guns aren't good.- Glassfixer
I think if you compare the High Point to a Quality pistol by the same standards, the High Point would fail miserably. The only + for the High Point is it is priced cheap at about $110. I bought a used CZ83 in VG condition on GB for $220 and is an excellent pistol by any standards. Remember what they say, good guns aren't cheap and cheap guns aren't good.- Glassfixer
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5 pages of debate for a Hi-Point? 
lmao
Guess I'll never understand it....Save a few bucks on beer money and lunch, then go buy a better pistol.....Most any Combloc pistol for little more $ blows away the silly Hi-Point in build quality, ergos, durability, concealment & accuracy. They are battle proven military and police firearms.
The Hi-Point will never be any of those, nor will it ever rise above its low end, bottom feeder status. It's the epitome of an ungainly tool, purchased strictly as an impulse buy based on price. Truly a lack a of thoughtfulness by its designers and purchasers.....IMO
lmaoGuess I'll never understand it....Save a few bucks on beer money and lunch, then go buy a better pistol.....Most any Combloc pistol for little more $ blows away the silly Hi-Point in build quality, ergos, durability, concealment & accuracy. They are battle proven military and police firearms.
The Hi-Point will never be any of those, nor will it ever rise above its low end, bottom feeder status. It's the epitome of an ungainly tool, purchased strictly as an impulse buy based on price. Truly a lack a of thoughtfulness by its designers and purchasers.....IMO
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Something occurred to me, (Maybe it's been said in one of the other comments...I haven't read them all.)
If the Hi point .45 is too BIG for concealed carry as others have said, and the guys' dad want's "home" protection, and money is very limited, why is he NOT looking at 20 gauge shotguns? Very few handguns are going to have that kind of stopping power. I paid $130 for a near new Winchester 12 ga. several years ago. I'd be surprised if there aren't a whole lot of Mossberg pump 20's out there for well under $200. And Mossberg quality isn't something you have to worry about when they're in good condition..
If the Hi point .45 is too BIG for concealed carry as others have said, and the guys' dad want's "home" protection, and money is very limited, why is he NOT looking at 20 gauge shotguns? Very few handguns are going to have that kind of stopping power. I paid $130 for a near new Winchester 12 ga. several years ago. I'd be surprised if there aren't a whole lot of Mossberg pump 20's out there for well under $200. And Mossberg quality isn't something you have to worry about when they're in good condition..
I knew I shouldn't have come in here.
Not everyone is a gun nut and just want a cheap tool to defend themselves and hipoints make great entry guns. In my experience Hipoints are accurate and reliable(i owned one at one point).
If you buy a hipoint you will move on to something "better" eventually your tastes will evolve.
I am really glad hi-point exists as a company to allow people who wouldn't normally be able to afford a firearm protect their families.
Not everyone is a gun nut and just want a cheap tool to defend themselves and hipoints make great entry guns. In my experience Hipoints are accurate and reliable(i owned one at one point).
If you buy a hipoint you will move on to something "better" eventually your tastes will evolve.
I am really glad hi-point exists as a company to allow people who wouldn't normally be able to afford a firearm protect their families.
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The shotgun suggestion is really the best one of this thread IMO. HiPoint usually means it won't be carried, especially not concealed, with that in mind, I can't think of anything a HiPoint will do that a shortened shotgun can't do many times better around the house or property.
The SG makes a formidable weapon as defense against man or beast on rural properties and can be used with cheap target rounds up to heavy magnum loads.
The only thing a pistol will do exceedingly well over a SG is conceal.
A good stop gap weapon that can only be enhanced with the later addition of a concealable handgun.
Apologies to the OP, this post is directed primarily at a later poster regarding a gun for his father.
The SG makes a formidable weapon as defense against man or beast on rural properties and can be used with cheap target rounds up to heavy magnum loads.
The only thing a pistol will do exceedingly well over a SG is conceal.
A good stop gap weapon that can only be enhanced with the later addition of a concealable handgun.
Apologies to the OP, this post is directed primarily at a later poster regarding a gun for his father.
I had a Hi-Point .40 for about 6 months and traded it back in where I bought it. The thing shot okay, and I only had one jam when I limp-wristed it, but it was HEAVY and THICK and UGLY. It was just way too big and heavy for anything other than leaving under the seat of a truck with a bag over it's head.
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So, some have stated that since a Hi Point is too big to Conceal Carry, a 20gauge should be purchased instead. In what reality does that make sense? It's for home defense anyway, not conceal carry.
Truthfully, if a 1911 can be concealed, so can the Hi Point. I've seen both concealed. The key is to werar baggy shirts and baggy pants with a good belt.
If you don't like the Hi Point, good for you, that's your opinion, but remember...it's an opinion. Facts speak for themselves. In a free market economy, any company that does not put out a good product will eventually go under. The fact that Hi Point is actually adding to their product line is enough proof that they are doing something that works.
Are they the mustangs of the gun world? No. More like the Ford Festiva. People may laugh when you pull it out, but it works. Best of all, it's made in the USA. I own one and plan on owning many more. The one I have right now sits in the same safe as my Ruger Mrk III, .44Magnum, Kel-tec PF9, Marlin .30-.30, Mosin Nagant, 10/22, and Ar15. Guess what...It's still my favorite to shoot and it's the most accurate pistol I own.
Truthfully, if a 1911 can be concealed, so can the Hi Point. I've seen both concealed. The key is to werar baggy shirts and baggy pants with a good belt.
If you don't like the Hi Point, good for you, that's your opinion, but remember...it's an opinion. Facts speak for themselves. In a free market economy, any company that does not put out a good product will eventually go under. The fact that Hi Point is actually adding to their product line is enough proof that they are doing something that works.
Are they the mustangs of the gun world? No. More like the Ford Festiva. People may laugh when you pull it out, but it works. Best of all, it's made in the USA. I own one and plan on owning many more. The one I have right now sits in the same safe as my Ruger Mrk III, .44Magnum, Kel-tec PF9, Marlin .30-.30, Mosin Nagant, 10/22, and Ar15. Guess what...It's still my favorite to shoot and it's the most accurate pistol I own.
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I'm not going to argue what can be concealed or what can't. You need to read the original posts of White Tiger. He said his dad would be using it for home defense. I can't think of anything better than a $175 pump shotgun for that purpose.
It truly makes no difference to me what other people want to do. I'm a little confused why some folks ask for other folks' advice, then start a debate over that advice. Oh well...onto other threads for me.
being new and all, might as well throw in...
Redfella, your just plain out there.
Onward, I may be new, but I've never heard of anyone being ignorant enough to try to compare a wheelgun with a semi in the reliability category...but, to each his own.
As for the rest of the naysayers, yall are completely entitled to yalls opinion. But, keep one thing in mind.
Hi Points are not forgiving. Any little mistake will be magnified. And, it's a poor man who blames the tools for his own misgivings.
Redfella, your just plain out there.
Onward, I may be new, but I've never heard of anyone being ignorant enough to try to compare a wheelgun with a semi in the reliability category...but, to each his own.
As for the rest of the naysayers, yall are completely entitled to yalls opinion. But, keep one thing in mind.
Hi Points are not forgiving. Any little mistake will be magnified. And, it's a poor man who blames the tools for his own misgivings.
wgaynor
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Maybe it's too early in the morning for me, but what is exactly meant by Hi Points aren't forgiving?
The Lone Haranguer
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These guns are marketed to and intended for the non-enthusiast (I know it sounds inconceivable, but this is probably the majority of gun owners, many of whom have never heard of THR 
) and those who cannot afford better. If you fit neither of these groups, a Hi-Point is probably not for you. But, I have paid four to six times as much for handguns that still malfunctioned and broke anyway. 
) and those who cannot afford better. If you fit neither of these groups, a Hi-Point is probably not for you. But, I have paid four to six times as much for handguns that still malfunctioned and broke anyway. 
Carl N. Brown
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Good used police trade-ins are on the market in the $200 to $300 range; carried a lot, fired once a year for re-qualification, not always but often maintained by a department armorer trained by factory reps. Outside condition fair to good, internal condition good to fine. Ten years from now, with minimal maintainance, they will be worth more than you pay for them now. Standard models, parts will be available.
HiPoint at $150 to $175 with the factory warranty is a better choice than some of the home defense guns in the same price range; they also shoot better than they look. But there are better bargains if you look for them. Plus if you already own a Glock, a HiPoint will make it look pretty by comparison. (Yeah, old joke, done to death already, but I couldn't help repeating it.)
HiPoint at $150 to $175 with the factory warranty is a better choice than some of the home defense guns in the same price range; they also shoot better than they look. But there are better bargains if you look for them. Plus if you already own a Glock, a HiPoint will make it look pretty by comparison. (Yeah, old joke, done to death already, but I couldn't help repeating it.)
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Plus what The Lone Haranguer said. The HiPoint is an affordable self defense appliance for the non-gun buff market.
Exactly what it said. They are not forgiving of small mistakes like some of the other guns. A minor limp wrist with a glock is no big deal. A minor limp wrist with a HP has body size groupings. Finger not properly on the trigger with a Colt 45 means hitting the 9 ring. Finger not properly on the trigger of a HP means 4ring.
Dude, just say no. Check out Summitgunbroker.com They specialize in used police guns. For not much more $$$ you can get something that you can count on.
Some examples:
S&W 4043 40cal with night sights. These are stainless guns with alloy frames. Comes with 2 11rd mags. $295
Ruger P89DC stainless 9mm with 15rd mag. $265
Their stock changes regularly. I'd go with the S&W of what they have right now.
John
Some examples:
S&W 4043 40cal with night sights. These are stainless guns with alloy frames. Comes with 2 11rd mags. $295
Ruger P89DC stainless 9mm with 15rd mag. $265
Their stock changes regularly. I'd go with the S&W of what they have right now.
John
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Funny thing is, I've never had a hi point fail to hit its mark and I'm lousy with handguns. I think "forgiving" is subjective to one's own opinion and shouldn't be judged by all equally when applying it to a particular firearm.
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Are you referring to this post? Did you mis-read? If you didn't please clarify, because I am confused.
"Also check out Jetguns.com - They have very good deals on Taurus snubbies in 38 or 327. You can have a Model 85 for $243 (shipping included) or a 327 for $252. Add FFL and you're set. Yes, I did said Taurus (revolvers). Their revolvers are light years ahead of their semi-autos in terms of reliability.
Hi Point quality & reliability can't touch either of the above and anyone who thinks it can doesn't live in reality - and this is coming from a current HP owner."
Let me rephrase - Hi Point quality and reliability PALES in comparison to the revolvers I'd mentioned. I understand that this is not a debate on the merits of wheelguns -vs- semis, however I stand by my statement that even the wheelguns mentioned in my original post are more reliable than than the Hi Point - BY MILES MORE RELIABLE.
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Very HighRoad of you isc. Ignoring people that share a different opinion than you. Good job!
go read my post under "worst handgun you have ever shot"
Last Taurus I ever owned, an 85, could not hit a man size target at 7 yards using a bench rest. How is that more reliable than a HP that I can hit a 8.5x11 sheet of paper with, shooting offhand at the same distance, 8 out of 8 times?
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