Looking into a Hi Point

[Judo]

Most hideous firearm I have ever laid eyes on. A buddy of mine has one. Don't know about the reliability but I would save up a few more bucks and get yourself a used glock. If you search around long enough, you can find some good deals.

 

[Remo223]

Thanks everyone for the advice and help. Got a little caught
up in the low price of the gun but, had not thought too much
about the ammo costs.

Starting out on a .22 sounds more wise since I would like to
spend some time at the range practicing. Any first .22 advice?

ruger probably the cheapest second hand 22 auto...and easiest to find.

 

[group17]

Does it come with a lifetime warranty if it breaks?

 

[towboat_er]

I recommend the CZ-82. For the price ya cant beat em. Cheap ammo too.

 

[ET]

Starting out on a .22 sounds more wise since I would like to spend some time at the range practicing. Any first .22 advice?

I own a Buckmark Camper that my wife took over. It really is a good range target pistol. Ruger Mark III is also a fine 22LR pistol. I have shot my neighbors MarkII many times and love it also. Both can be purchased for approx $300-400. There are others but these are the two that I have had personal experience with.

http://www.ruger.com/products/markIII/index.html

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=006B

 

[isc]

Pluses:
They have excellent warranties.
They are very reliable. (I will now question anything r3dn3ck says here from now on).
They're pretty accurate.

minuses:
low magazine capacity (less of an issue for the .45)
heavy and bulky due to simple blowback design.
controls aren't ergonomic.
They're a pain to disassemble and thoroughly clean.

I wouldn't want one as a carry piece, either open or concealed, but as a nightstand or cache gun they're perfect if price is your primary concern.

 

[Fishbed77]

Thanks everyone for the advice and help. Got a little caught
up in the low price of the gun but, had not thought too much
about the ammo costs.

Starting out on a .22 sounds more wise since I would like to
spend some time at the range practicing. Any first .22 advice?

Ruger Mark III (or a used Mark II, if you can find one - pretty easy to find, since they last forever).

There's no real problem with getting a defensive caliber handgun as your first pistol, though, if you are limited by budget to one gun. If that's the case, 9mm is the way to go - ammo costs a lot more than .22, but still about half as much as .45. Just don't get a High-Point. There are plenty of better options out there for not a whole lot more money (Ruger P95 and SR9, and Sig P2022 pop into mind).

 

[triplebike]

That's the dumbest way to spend 200 bucks there is. Save up some more and get something from ruger if you need cheap.

HiPoint makes garbage. More than one (well.. most will eventually) has self destructed in the users hands. They're an answer to a very specific question. If you can't possibly afford anything else and you've really really tried, and you won't buy something used and ugly but totally functional and reliable, the HiPoint becomes useful. It's good for 1 shot, the first one. After that good luck with reliable cycling. My recommendation is to use my first advice, get something else. My second recommendation is that if you insist on owning that hunk of garbage then plan on using it to shoot at the bad guy exactly 1 round and then having to struggle for his weapon because yours failed.

I've owned cheap junk guns. They've always literally blown up in my hands. Please, bet your life on a used ugly gun that works every time.

BTW, more bullets available only means more will be fired during an encounter. I use a wheel gun. If you only have 6 then those 6 are going to be used much more accurately than 9 or 12 or 15 or whatever in a higher capacity gun. Yes, I still have a 10 round glock available but I prefer the simplicity of a revolver for midnight wake-up duty.

Do us all a favor, go into your bathroom take a big dump & flush it & your credibility down the toilet. Don't like Hi Point, fine, but to make such a ridiculous post as above just shows that you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[triplebike]

Most hideous firearm I have ever laid eyes on. A buddy of mine has one. Don't know about the reliability but I would save up a few more bucks and get yourself a used glock. If you search around long enough, you can find some good deals.

That way you can have the 2nd most hideous looking handgun on the market

 

[justin 561]

HiPoint makes garbage. More than one (well.. most will eventually) has self destructed in the users hands. They're an answer to a very specific question.

Please do provide proof, because simply I've never seen/heard of this EVER happening.

It's good for 1 shot, the first one. After that good luck with reliable cycling. My recommendation is to use my first advice, get something else.

So mine and many many many others must have gotten the "good batch" huh? Over 2500 .45ACP through my 2008 Hi Point 45jhp.

My second recommendation is that if you insist on owning that hunk of garbage then plan on using it to shoot at the bad guy exactly 1 round and then having to struggle for his weapon because yours failed.

Again, proof? Your opinion is NOT a fact. Stop spreading this bull crap just because you feel its not a firearm up to your standards.

I've owned cheap junk guns. They've always literally blown up in my hands.

So how many fingers are you missing? And why in the heck would you buy more junk guns if the first few you've owned "blew up in your hands".

Please, bet your life on a used ugly gun that works every time.

Again, hipoints are known for reliability. :banghead:

BTW, more bullets available only means more will be fired during an encounter. I use a wheel gun. If you only have 6 then those 6 are going to be used much more accurately than 9 or 12 or 15 or whatever in a higher capacity gun. Yes, I still have a 10 round glock available but I prefer the simplicity of a revolver for midnight wake-up duty.

So you're telling us we shouldn't have more rounds? You take your 6. I'll take my 9. Whats the worst that can happen, I'll feel bad I have 3 left?

-Proud hipoint owner who hasn't cleaned it in a unknown amount of rounds and still has yet to stove pipe, jam, FTE, FTF due to firearm and not ammo, or has never NOT went boom when I pulled the trigger. (If it doesn't fire and the round has been struck 3 times, it is not the firearms fault. Yes I am cheap enough to try to fire EVERY round regardless if it doesn't go boom the first time and has a dent in the primer.)

 

[Rocketmedic]

My JHP has over 1800 rounds through it with no weapon-related failures. Its a solid handgun.

 

[th1229]

Decent guns...just too heavy. It is also uglier than a Glock.

 

[makarovnik]

If you are using it for home protection, plinker or range gun it should be OK. It will be too big and heavy for concealed carry. Anyway I have one and like it. It's VERY accurate.

 

[kayak-man]

Save up a little longer and get a good used revolver for $250 +- or a decent semi auto for around $300. Those kind of guns are out there and they are reliable, carryable, there are good holsters made for them and they will most likely be worth more tomorrow than today.
I personally just bought a G17 for $325 OTD that doesn't look as though its had a box of shells through it and have bought many top name brand wheel guns and autos for much less.

Where do you find these guns? No, seriously, where, cause I've been hitting Bud's, SeattleGuns, pawnshops, the Little Nickle, and I can not find anything even close to those prices!

A lot of people give Hi-Points a bad rap, and the only thing I can think of might be that they once were junk, but now are pretty decent. I have had a Hi-Point 45 for about 3 years now. If I had the money, I'd buy some extra magazines, and use it to shoot "Steel Match."

Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson

 

[fallout mike]

I'm wondering how r3dn3ck was typing his posts? If he's had several guns literally blow up in his hands he must not have but a finger or two left. I've never had any issues with my current one or previous one that was traded for a buckmark .22.(I hope I didn't take advantage of that guy but he just wanted something bigger than a,.22.)

 

[Davek1977]

While not my first choice for CCW duty, the people I know who have Hipoints don't have issues with them. They are big heavy cheap guns that typically go bang when the trigger is pulled, and do a surprisingly well in the accuracy department as well. As you've seen...some will tell you they are junk, like Jennings or Bryco....of course, the people most often stating such an opinion have rarely held a hipoint, let alone shot one, in my experience. Those who have them tend to like them....those who don't have them like to cuss them up and down the river....

 

[X-Rap]

Kayak-Man
Keep looking and understand that you are the one who decides the final sale price of the gun you buy. Used guns in shops be they gun stores or pawn shops are usually way over priced so don't be afraid to make an offer. Educate yourself on the values in your specific area because they vary, build a repore with the various shops as a guy who will always back up an offer with cash and and they will come to you.
Learn how to read a shop, some want to make more profit and less sales some deal with volume. You want the volume guys.
There are a lot of private sales out there right now that have guys trying to recover money from guns bought during the overpriced panic so the oportunity there is limited ( beware private sales that are to good to be true).

 

[isc]

I recently bought a pair of 2nd gen glock 22s for $315 ea ($630) + shipping ($25) and transfer ($20). Alot of times you can spend twice as much on a gun and get something that is only marginally better. In the case of a hipoint, spending half again as much will get you twice the gun.

The last one I had I bought for $99. I bought it as a cache gun (a throwaway I'd hide as part of a contingincy plan). I shot it a bit, but then realized a $200 sigma would be even better for my intended purpose so I sold it.

I wouldn't buy one unless that was all I could afford or I intended to use it as a 3rd string backup. That being said, I would trust my life on it if I didn't have a better pistol.

 

[X-Rap]

The local Cabelas was selling LE trade ins for $359.00 choice of cal. was I believe 9mm, .40, and 45ACP. My dad just bought a nice S&W 15 last week for $250.
Why buy a gun you have to make excuses for?

 

[Onward Allusion]

Where do you find these guns? No, seriously, where, cause I've been hitting Bud's, SeattleGuns, pawnshops, the Little Nickle, and I can not find anything even close to those prices!

P95 shipping incld - $328
http://www.jetguns.com/ruger-rail-stainless-p-195.html

S&W 4043 - $295 + $20 shipping
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/4043.html

Ruger 89DC - $265 + $20 shipping
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/Ruger_P89DC.html

CZ-82 all over for $150 to $210 plus shipping

Tack on another $20 to $25 for FFL transfer...

 

[The White Tiger]

Sorry to drag everyone back into this discussion, but I have a related question.

My father is retired, just sold his house in Pensacola and had just enough money to buy a trailer for he and my mom...waaay out in the boondocks. He's a former Marine - FBI handgun qualified who has always had a pistol - but suddenly finds himself without one.

Without making this sound like a Dave Ramsey commercial - he has expressed that he feels he needs a pistol, but can't afford one. I try to help out when I can and thought that on my next trip to see them I'd take him out and buy him a Hi Point .45 ACP or .40 S&W...

So my question is...for this application (strictly power tool style home protection), with his background...would this pistol suffice? I can't afford anything more expensive AND buy him the ammo - and he can't afford...anything else!

 

[makarovnik]

If you are using this gun for range, target, plinking or even home defense, it will do the job better than just about any gun out there for $175 these days. Sorry but it's true.

It should go bang every time you pull the trigger, just like mine does. If it doesn't you can get tips and tricks posted all over the internet to help get it tuned right. If not, you will have to spend some money shipping it to Hi-Point where they will make her run nicely.

For concealed carry, obviously you'd be better off with a good used 9x18 or .380.

 

[waltw]

Thanks everyone for the advice and help. Got a little caught
up in the low price of the gun but, had not thought too much
about the ammo costs.

Starting out on a .22 sounds more wise since I would like to
spend some time at the range practicing. Any first .22 advice?

My wife and I took an NRA Basic Pistol class a few years ago. While there, the instructor handed my wife her Beretta Neos .22 to try. My wife loved the gun and I wound up getting her one for Christmas that year. I think I paid something like $260 out the door.

Anytime either one of us goes to the range (My wife rarely goes these days), the Neos is brought along. I enjoy shooting it and ammo is very inexpensive. If anything were to happen to it, I wouldn't hesitate to buy another.

 

[millertyme]

However, for $200 I would get a CZ-82. No question about it.

 

[FNX-9]

I always enjoy the Hi-Point threads where people point out that they have great customer service. This is the one purchase in my life when i never ever want to speak with a customer service rep from that company because that means there was a problem. If i was buying a firearm that would be used to protect myself and/or my family i never even want customer service to come to my mind it should go bang every time. My FNX (1st firearm ever) has over 5,000 rounds through it and never had a single malfunction. Save up, your life is worth more than $175.