Ks5shooter
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GMC is a Chevy with lock washers.
Looks like DPMS, Bushmaster and TAPCO may be shut down.
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Ks5shooter
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Shame though I like my DPMS GII hunter in .308
someguy2800
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Reminds me when I was in high school and I used to drool over all the $1000 bushmaster carbines in the local shops that were really nothing more than a completely basic 16" carbine. Who knew that 20 years later you could build the exact same thing for like $300? Its amazing what a commodity AR15 parts are today thanks to the internet.
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Reminds me of a fellow I worked for years ago. “Oh, you can’t get these anymore.” He would say, trying to convince someone of the value of a Pinto he was trying to sell. Maybe I should post some of mine for ridiculously inflated prices because they are going to become rare collectors items.
That said, my Bushmaster and DPMS AR’s work just like my others...but won’t really move any goal posts, now that they are no longer. Everybody and their sister seems to be making them these days and keeping them within tolerance. I have spent more in a fast food restaurant than a decent lower costs.
That said, my Bushmaster and DPMS AR’s work just like my others...but won’t really move any goal posts, now that they are no longer. Everybody and their sister seems to be making them these days and keeping them within tolerance. I have spent more in a fast food restaurant than a decent lower costs.
WestKentucky
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Tapco is/was a decent maker of stuff. I hate to see it go. I had a few stocks made by them and I was always satisfied if not impressed by the quality for the cost.
Every time we hit mcds, my mind ticks off one more toy i could have bought.......
Then I realize that my DQP, and not having to spend an hour figuring out what to cook, is more important to me at that moment.......
Ive had some Tapco products that i really liked, but my favorite was a mini magazine.
If you loaded it full it would JUST barely hold the rounds in.
If you THEN seated it, hand the gun with the action closed to an unsuspecting shooter, and told them to pull the handle back good and hard, it would spew a fountain of rounds out the top of the gun till the person let go of the charging handle.
Without fail it would catch a round stove piped, either the person would hand the gun back at that point, or pull the handle again loosing another torrent of shells.
that never got old......
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Really? I would be interested in reading your documented stats for this claim.
It seems that all firearms production has decreased since Trump took office, because the fears of firearms bans have been allayed, and with it panic buying.
Interestingly, on this graph shotguns seems to have been the least affected.
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Not a lot of gross in low cost items so volume is the key, the bills still need to be paid and the shareholders still need a return. In that absence, a business will shed cost. Just another business decision - will always happen this way as long as the eagle flies, the river flows and the grass grows.
mcb
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Production has decreased because everyone overproduced banking on Hillary winning and a huge panic but at high prices. That did not happen and it's taken us this long into Trump's presidency to buy down the surplus stock in the supply pipeline. ATF NICS checks sets new records in January due to the huge discounts as manufactures try to unload their excess stock. But that has all happened in the past three or so years.
Hunting had been on the decline for the past 40+years. In 1982 they estimate ~17 million hunters, in 2016 that is down to 11.5 million.
https://www.outdoorlife.com/why-we-are-losing-hunters-and-how-to-fix-it/
If you do a Google search there are many more articles from both pro hunting groups and the general news media supporting this claim that hunting across the board is in decline. This in the face of steadily increasing guns sales since the sunset of the 94 AWB. Gun ownership has remained relatively steady with a minor decrease over that same time period Hunter participation has gone down significantly more.
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Nevermind
mcb
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Look at those numbers again as a percentage both rifles and shotguns have gone down by about the same precentage from their high to their 2017 numbers. Booth are down ~37%. With handguns down ~22%. The change in shotguns is being visually hidden by the scale of the graph and shotguns relative low volume.
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There was nothing of Tapcos product line that was redeemable for my uses.. Early on just out of high school I had bought some Tapco magazines, talk about pure junk.
Bought an AK before that was Tapco’d out, looked like a truck after a certain demographic went through a JC Whitney catalogue for embellishments, stripped that crap off and bought some suitable furniture.
Not for me, but I’m sure they have good products hidden in their dark recesses somewhere.
Bought an AK before that was Tapco’d out, looked like a truck after a certain demographic went through a JC Whitney catalogue for embellishments, stripped that crap off and bought some suitable furniture.
Not for me, but I’m sure they have good products hidden in their dark recesses somewhere.
The only Tapco product that I own is a 30 round SKS magazine. It actually works quite well.
I understand changes from a business stand point. You have to be able to pay the bills and make some type of profit to stay afloat.
The automotive industry is another example. The big three have pretty much stopped selling cars now days and are concentrating on SUVs and trucks because that is what sells.
I understand changes from a business stand point. You have to be able to pay the bills and make some type of profit to stay afloat.
The automotive industry is another example. The big three have pretty much stopped selling cars now days and are concentrating on SUVs and trucks because that is what sells.
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Well, didn't the mags last umtil Tapco "died"?
Warranty depends on whose loint of view.
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cdb1
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MCB nailed it.
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Remington did come out with two new shotguns fairly recently that I think are excellent, the V3 and Versa Max.
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Agreed, from what I've seen of them being used.
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Agree @mcb
Regraph it with percentage change on individual product lines and the story would be much different. Statistics and graphs can portray whatever someone wants when one tortures the data or presentation of said data.
Nearest I can from the graph tell shotguns have gone from a high (2013) of 1,200,000 down to 700,000 or a percent change of -42% whereas:
Handguns down from the high (2016) of 5,500,000 to 4,300,000 or a change of -22%
Rifles down from high (2016) of 4,100,000 to 2,500,000 or a change of -30%
So hidden in the graph is the fact that shotguns have the largest change from their high to current sales; which is what I would expect based on what I've seen in the last 5 years of what is selling. Opposite of what one might expect taking a first glance at the graph.
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My point was despite Remington's claim to sell Rem Def MSRs there are vanishingly few of them actually on the market. The few R4s you see are crazy priced and finding a new R4E or R10 is basically impossible. Remington MSRs are vapor-wear and once the very limited new rifles on shelves are consumed the only Rem Def MSR you will see will be on the used market.
MarshallDodge
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They are gone because the market has been improving both quality and the cost of products, and going direct. When Cerebus bought them, they came out with the G2 but the 5.56 products started lagging.
I had a DPMS LR-308, that was purchased over 10 years ago, and it was a great rifle but I had some other DPMS products that were garbage compared to today's competition.
I had a DPMS LR-308, that was purchased over 10 years ago, and it was a great rifle but I had some other DPMS products that were garbage compared to today's competition.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see that the primary (understandable) goal of Remington Defense would be similar to that of Colt Defense for a while, meaning focusing on the LE/Gov/Mil sales market. There's more than enough AR makers to go around for the average private gun owners, commercial market, sport & competition shooters, etc.
Now, bolt guns? Remington makes enough bolt guns for the commercial market without needing to push the more expensive MSR to compete in the general market.
Besides, think back to the original purpose for which the MSR was developed, meaning the PSR program equipment needs. Remington's regular bolt guns are much more reasonably priced and suited for the simpler needs of sport shooters and hunters. It's more of a specialty niche interest outside of the original intended market.
Yes, I know there's always going to be those gun owners who clamor to own weapons made for the LE/Gov/Mil markets, or as close as they can get to them, but is that niche market enough to make a major gun maker change their production and marketing strategies, gov sales and overall production?
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