Loophole to America

[El Tejon]

2nd, my work is defending the completely innocent. Welfare cheats? How shocking! Like I said the problem is us, the Welfare State. However, I can show you many dozens of welfare cheats who are native-born within the same radius of my office.

Last Mickey D's with a Russian menu? Chicago I am told. But am at disadvantage since I don't eat there. However, last I knew McDonald's is private company catering to their customers. See nothing de jure about that. Why wouldn't a company cater to its customers?

My point with the illegal aliens from nations other than Mexico is that no one cares about them even though they are here illegally. I believe this raises a credibility/motive issue, not treating like cases alike and all.

You don't remember the flap on THR about the Mexican flag in the Red classroom? Plenty of other times people here have yelled about Mexican heritage. I raise it because I believe it demonstrates motive: no one complains about the German sparrow on front license plates or flying the Dutch flag, but plenty of complaints about Mexican emblems.

I see no difference between the motives of today's immigrants from yesterday's. However, that is based on my own experience in this field. I'll see if I can find a poll or something.

I empathize with your coffee situation. Another reason to have an office directly over one!

 

[Henry Bowman]

My point with the illegal aliens from nations other than Mexico is that no one cares about them even though they are here illegally.

I get your point and, in general, you are correct. But I'd guess that there is still (post 9-11) a fair level of concern about illegals from the MidEast.

 

[Glock Glockler]

Tejon,

I know many immigrants who work very hard and some that don't work at all, I don't think that's the main issue. Someone might very well work hard but what govt bennies are they otherwise draining?

An illegal alien might work for 15k/yr in a very tough job, in which case you would laim he is helping the American economy by doing the jobs us stupid lazy Americans don't want to do, but if his 4 children are also in the local govt school, how much does that cost us?

How much does his family's medical care cost that the taxpayer has to pick up? Did they go to the ER because they all know they wont be turned away? Is he on welfare as well?

I knew many Central Americans that worked very hard at a factory I was at but they also tapped into each and every govt program they possibly could and I would say their net economic effect was a negative.

 

[El Tejon]

Glock, and who created the Welfare State? Illegal aliens? Space aliens? Bears and pumas? Or American citizens?

Isn't it true that we have met the enemy and he is us.

Isn't the fight with the Welfare State and not the immigrant?

 

[Glock Glockler]

Tejon,

Unfortunately it is both us and the immigrants who are creating the welfare state as both vote for it, and I do know of many illegals voting.

The fight is ultimately against the welfare state but the problem is that many in govt want to import voters who will support their programs, so if an immigrant votes for the welfare state your fight is with him. You might not like the welfare state but we have to realize that it does exist, and if an immigrant is getting hooked up with it then you have just strengthened the problem. You neednt look farther than California to see what happens when the immigrants vote for the welfare state.

What is important is the immigrant's net economic effect and whether he will aid in repealing the welfare state.

 

[El Tejon]

Glock, so, a cost/benefit analysis of each immigrant? If they aren't in the positive by a certain factor, back they go?

A probation period for citizenship in order for them to produce? Can we get your great idea applied to the native born?

 

[Sawdust]

Works for me.

Sawdust

 

[Glock Glockler]

Tejon,

I would very much like to see new arrivals prohibited from any doles but that will not happen. Look at what happened in California after their proposition 187, the backlash against the Republicans who supported it was huge, the Democrats then made huge gains and promised even more doles.

I would like to see all doles removed, that might begin to happen but it will not if we import hordes of new immigrants who vote to keep the dole open.

Given the current demographic/economic situation I think all prospective immigrants should have to pass our cost/benefit analysis they can't come in.

Ultimately this problem springs from voting standards being too lax in general but that discussion is for another thread. I wish that a production standard would be applied for citizenship but citizenship doesnt mean anything anymore, anyone can vote in the USA.

 

[gc70]

<sarcasm on>
Gosh, El Tejon, I feel so sorry for all of the poor Mexicans who are victims of being lured to the US by the nasty welfare state.
</sarcasm off>

(drumroll) And the Number One Reason current Mexican immigrants are different from immigrant groups in the past...

They send so much money home.​

That's right, immigrants in the past were in the US to stay - and most of their money stayed here, too.

Whether current Mexican immigrants plan to stay in the US or not, they are clearly sending a lot of money "home" to Mexico.

According to the [Mexican] central bank, remittances, mainly from Mexicans working in America, totalled US$16.6b in 2004, which represents a doubling since 2000 and a 24% jump from 2003. This money flow now constitutes about 2% of [Mexican] GDP.

For those keeping score, that means that money sent "home" from the US is pretty much Mexico's largest "industry."

 

[The Rabbi]

That's right, immigrants in the past were in the US to stay - and most of their money stayed here, too.

That is an utter and complete stinking pile. When my great grandfather came from Lithuania he dutifully sent money home to his parents. His siblings did likewise. All immigrants do so. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are awash in Pakistani, Indonesian, and Phillipino laborers. All of them send money home. No one sees that as a crisis. You'll have to do better than that.

 

[Art Eatman]

Well, we've wandered way off topic of the thread, which itself is a variant of umpteen iterations on the general subject of illegal immigrants.

Guns? Gunlaws? Civil rights? THR?

Enuf.

, Art