Lower NY State CCW Question

[WinkingTiger]

I'm going to direct this to the gun owner's of the lower NY counties. In my county when you purchase a pistol you need to put a reason why you purchased it. The only vaild reasons I was told were: Target shooting, hunting, fishing, hiking and camping.

Self-defense is not a vaild reason to purchase a handgun. My license is restricted to only carrying when going to or from,performing one of the above activities.

Does anyone know why my license is this way?
In other NY counties you can carry concealed for self defense and the license is vaild throughout the state.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Because your issuing authority is a jerk. You should be able to ask for an "unrestricted" permit (ie, for all lawful purposes). Some counties though rarely if EVER issue unrestricted permits.

On the other hand, you could consider daily walking part of your training as a professional hiker.

 

[Ken]

"Does anyone know why my license is this way?"

What Prince said. In other words, you're too close to the city. I suppose some of the upstate counties allow for concealed carry for self defense, but Nassau didn't when I lived there. Could only carry concealed there while going to and from the range.

 

[C. H. Luke]

"The only valid reasons I was told were: Target shooting, hunting, fishing, hiking and camping."

Might come down to WHO told you that?

Live in WNY & was advised by the Detective whose desk all permit appl. came across before going to the "Judge" for review and signing.

He has/had a stamp he used if they were not "worded" correctly: "Self Defense & all lawful purposes". {or something to that effect} Also said "Self Protection" would ring an immediate refusal. i.e., another 6 mo. delay redoing paperwork in black-ink only, etc.
The "Stamp" was to prevent the Judge from doing exactly what has happened in your case. Judge would then simply just pick one on your/my "list" and say the permit is good only to and from and while doing XXX activity. Catch is: "You made a mistake, YH! "No problem, it can be amended", fill out some more paperwork and wait & wait, etc., etc. or perhaps get an attorney and pay $$$$ to get it resolved much sooner?

Unfortunately every county is different and the closer to the 'Apple the worse it seems to get.

Thought own County was bad! Wonder if having a tent, fishing rod & sleeping bag in the trunk qualifies you as always going: "Camping, hiking, hunting & fishing"?

Own *ten* "pistols" and HAVE to have a "Locked Safe"?

Yet they d/n specify the size? {Hope that's to the owner's advantage!}

http://www.rocklandcountyclerk.com/pistol_license.html

 

[51Cards]

This is why we have 24-hour private ranges ...

 

[WinkingTiger]

Unrestricted Carry

Ok So I went to the county clerks office today and to change my address and the restrictions on my license was changed from "hunt.Hike.Camp.Fish.Target" to "General sportsman and private residence"

I inquired how to go about getting and "unrestricted carry license". I was told that they very rarely give that license to private citizens and I need to write a letter to the licensing judge to make the request.

I wanted to know if you guys can help me come up with some topics to include in the letter other that "I feel it is my 2nd amendment right".

So far I came up with the following ideas
-have several close friends that are on the job
-have an uncle that is a retired PO and the president of and FOP chapter in NJ
-I don't associate with known felons or "shady people"
-Never been arrested or have anything on my record other than a speeding ticket 5 years ago

What else should I include?
How long should the letter be?

 

[geronimotwo]

i was fortunate, as the pistol clerk here handed my application back to me and told me to add "no restrictions". before that all i had was "personal protection, family security, recreational uses, and hunting".

 

[DragonFire]

have several close friends that are on the job
-have an uncle that is a retired PO and the president of and FOP chapter in NJ

So you're implying that you plan to "play" police officer? Or are ou trying to impress or intimidate the judge?

That's a sure way lose your permit altogether. The one thing I was told when I applied for my permit was to not use any LEO as references to eliminate the cop-wannabe idea.

If you've eliminated self-defense and that it's your right, then there really isn't any reason why you'd want/need to carry all the time.

You might discuss how unrestricted licenses are common in many other counties of NY and that you feel that you'd want to excerise the same rights as the residents of those counties.

One other possibility I've seen used is that you "carry large sums of cash for business". But one friend who tried that was asked to show proof of it. So that might just cause you other problems.

I'd stick with the truth.

 

[WinkingTiger]

"So you're implying that you plan to "play" police officer?
Not at all

Or are you trying to impress or intimidate the judge?"
Neither
I am just trying to show that I have family and friends that are "good guys" as this may help give the judge the impression that I am "not some wacko" that wants to carry a concealed weapon in a County that is completely suburban and VERY SAFE.

Their are towns in my county where people leave their front doors unlocked when they gh to work and leave the keys in the ignition when they go to a store to run an errand.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Do you frequently travel around the state? Do you do most of your business at night? Do you visit Rochester often (Rochester has the highest murder rate in NYS)?

*Mention that you are free from convictions
*Mention that MANY others in NYS have unrestricted permits
*Mention that over 3 million people in the US have unrestricted CCW permits
*Humbly mention that you cannot see why you are any different from those 3 million others.

 

[MilsurpShooter]

One other possibility I've seen used is that you "carry large sums of cash for business". But one friend who tried that was asked to show proof of it. So that might just cause you other problems.

I know of three people who tried that down here. One managed to get it, the other 2 gave up due to the hassle. It involved a credit report and financial records dating from 2006 to 2001 to show proof. He allready got a letter in the mail stating that he will have to submit a copy of his 2007 Tax forms to prove "need of full carry"

Also, this is New York, large sum of money means ALOT lol

 

[damien]

Gosh, if hiking is valid, I would hike, and carry, pretty much all the time.

 

[ieszu]

I know that in Rockland County, NY it mentions sporting activities.... luckily jogging is a "sporting activity"... and since jogging is "brisk walking" and "brisk" is subjective... luckily this has not gone before a judge yet

 

[hexidismal]

vsixpack, which county are we talking about here ? I live in Ulster County and we have unrestricted concealed carry. I believe neighboring Dutchess County is the same. And Orange county which is 'lower' than both, I'm pretty sure also has unrestricted.

I'm not sure about putnam , rochester, or westchester .. and those are the only three counties lower than them.

 

[ImARugerFan]

Broome County also restricts their permits to Hunting/Target shooting. The judge that handles the permits is retiring this year and a new judge is being elected. I think once we have a new judge I will write him a letter asking for CCW

 

[WinkingTiger]

I'm in rockland county.

I do not handle large sums of money so I will not be able to even attempt to use that reason to get my license upgraded.

Do you think I should mention anything about natural disasters? 9-11, Katrina, Forest fires and a whole slew of "bad" things that are happening right now?

Or does that just make me look paranoid?

 

[MilsurpShooter]

Chances are it just won't matter to the issuing judge. In the Westchester packet it labels and says in bold "Self Defense is not considered a valid entry" Natural disaster, 9/11 type stuff would most likely be classified under that by most of the judges around here

 

[SWMAN]

My dad and uncle lived in Delaware County for most of their lives. They were issued unrestricted pistol permits in the 1940's. I see that at least one part of New York is still pro2A.

 

[DragonFire]

Do you think I should mention anything about natural disasters? 9-11, Katrina, Forest fires and a whole slew of "bad" things that are happening right now?

I think you may be onto something, but I wouldn't mention the examples you site. I think of those things as extreme circumstances. While they are certainly valid, you would be better off giving some more common problems. Mention the crimes reported in the papers every day (robberies, burglaries, muggings). You'd want to make the case that you want to be prepared (much like you'd have a spare tire, or a fire extinguisher) for whatever may happen.

 

[RustyShackelford]

Traveler's Guide to Firearms/Handgunlaw.US

Check your state's main website or AG's office for FAQs related to weapons/concealed carry laws. Also check www.handgunlaw.us or buy a current ed of The Traveler's Guide To Firearms Laws, www.bn.com www.bookfinder.com .

Packing.org was a good source for CC related laws/state policy but I think it's down.

Rusty S

 

[ZeSpectre]

So far the only unrestricted permit success story I know of was someone in Duchess county who stated something to the effect of "I am a child care professional for the children of multiple law enforcement officers". This may be an "urban legend" but the story goes that the permit was granted with record speed.

 

[jlday70]

I have a suggestion move way out west to Chautauqua county. I have an unrestricted permit that took me less than two months to get aproved.

Another thing we all shoud do is keep promoting the more gun friendly politicians begining with our counties...the only way we will get anywhere in NY is fight the good fight the right way by electing more gun friendly judges and county execs. We also have to talk to our friends and nieghbors about how we are losing our freedoms every day.

OK
Getting off my Soap box

 

[CNYCacher]

Just so you know, your CCW IS valid at all times. The restrictions hold no legal weight.
The "restrictions" are an agreement between the judge who issued it and any anti-gun LEO who may discover you carrying in violation of the restrictions. The cop tells the judge, and the judge uses it as an excuse to revoke your CCW.
Judges in NYS can revoke a ccw on a whim. The trick is not living in a place where such judges exist.

 

[hexidismal]

So far the only unrestricted permit success story I know of was someone in Duchess county who stated something to the effect of "I am a child care professional for the children of multiple law enforcement officers". This may be an "urban legend" but the story goes that the permit was granted with record speed.

I'm fairly certain Dutchess county is unrestricted for everyone. That may not have always been the case though.

 

[WASR-10]

my friend got his CCW in Westchester County and he used the 'handling large sums of money' reason. he makes sure to keep one of those scissor-proof bags in his car at all times, but he is a law abiding kind-of-guy (actually he is a lawyer) so i doubt he will ever get in trouble.

i have a bunch of friends on the job w/ NYPD and they all keep tying get me to get my CCW perm, but i hear it is a huge hassle for the most part in Westchester