LOWEST penetrating 10mm round

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I know 10mm and low penetration are somewhat dichotomous, but its my only "real" gun and I would like something for home defense.
I'm thinking my options are:
*Glaser blue safety slug- I have heard A LOT of opinions on these, any thoughts on reliability in a Glock 20?
*Doubletap 135 nosler JHP
*Either of these options with a Lone Wolf .40 barrel, not sure about reliability with this set up though.
 
A quickish 165 or 155 grain Golden Saber or Gold Dot shouldn't penetrate too much, will be able to practice without a second mortgage unlike the Glaser, I suppose the 135 Nosler would work too.
 
Mike McNett from double tap posted some results from his loads. The 135gr. Gold dots penetrated the least out of all of his current 10mm loads.
 
The double tap 135gr round may penetrate less in tissue if it expands but it is a really fast round with a TON of energy. It is going to penetrate walls or other barriers like crazy. There are plenty of rounds out there that are loaded a little less hot than the DT ammo that I would think would be a better choice. Something like the Federal, Remington, or Winchester 180gr JHPs at around 980fps may penetrate a little more in tissue but I would think it would be a better choice than the Double Tap ammo that is going around 500fps faster. They would also have a lot less muzzle blast which might help you shoot more accurately. Just choose whatever ammo you are going to use and know your lanes of fire so you can try to take your shot safely. I have neighbors on three sides of my house. If I can, I know I can safely shoot to the back of my house because I have a hill there which would make a good back stop. If I shoot the other directions, misses could be dangerous. Hits will have to traverse the bad guy and a wall. The rounds shouldn't have much steam left after that. But its better to be safe than sorry when it comes to firearms.
 
I like your last idea best.

Buy a barrel in 40 S&W. Cheaper to practice with and it won't over penetrate. Lone Wolfs reputation is very good for reliability in the Glocks.
 
My LW conversion barrel is totally reliable in my G20. Believe it or not, the gun even works with the heavy 22lb spring when using .40SW range loads. It feeds/fires/ejects all .40 ammo I have tried using the stock G20 mags. I would say that if you live in an apartment, you could try the LW barrel... anyway, every G20 owner ought to make this investment at some point. If you live in a house, just get some lighter weight (135g-165g) 10mm JHP loadings from DoubleTap. They do penetrate pretty nicely, but its nothing excessive.
 
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Actually, DT's 135gn Nosler HP is a shallow penetrator, 8"-10", as vetted some years back by the old AmmoLab people, who also tested DT's 165gn Golden Saber load.

They used properly calibrated ballistic gel covered, I believe, with a t-shirt, and reported on-line that the Nosler HP created a massive but shallow wound track. This led one of the observers to conclude that a hit anywhere in the human thoracic cavity would be devastating and probably nonsurvivable. No doubt the round's 1600fps velocity, as chrono-ed from a stock 4.6" G20, helps ensure its explosive impact on soft tissue.

IMO, "overpenetration" is a statistical bugaboo since most shots fired defensively MISS their intended target, and then sail off God-knows-where - with or without richochets.

Better to worry about your shot-placement, i.e., getting a first round hit while under the stress of the Bad Guy's assault.

Under-penetration, OTOH, has gotten Good Guys killed.

Still, if you're looking for the least penetrative 10mm factory load, that DT 135gn Nosler is certainly one of the leading candidates.

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I think you guys are missing the point. The OP stated it was for home defense so I would assume he means shallower penetration through things like walls and floors, not tissue. What a round does in ballistic gelatin has little of nothing to do with its penetration in those scenarios. I would maintain that a 135gr Nosler at 1600 fps would be a REALLY poor choice for a home defense round. Regardless of how is does in tissue or gelatin, penetration through barriers would be as much or more than the more sedate loads and muzzle blast would be massive compared to other loads. Its is possible that due to its high velocity and relatively fragile HP it may fragment when striking a wall or other surface but I wouldn't want to count on that.
 
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Anything effective against people will go through your house and still be capable of killing someone unfortunate enough to be standing on the other side.

The only thing you can do to negate or minimize that fact of life will be to
A. insulate your house with sheets of Kevlar
B. know your house, roughly where you have a higher margin of error, shoot enough that you are almost completely unlikely to miss, and don't shoot unless you are sure of your target and need to do so. Also load with the most effective thing you can get your hands on, so any threat will cease being a threat sooner, requiring less shots fired.

I'd go with B personally.
 
jon in wv comments were correct.
perhaps i should look at some Federal hydrashoks?
 
its my only "real" gun and I would like something for home defense.
I'm thinking my options are:

Buy a cheap used pump action shotgun, it should only be a bit more expensive than a new barrel. OO buck shells have to be comparable to 10mm sd rounds, and you will not have over penetration issues.
 
Regardless of how is does in tissue or gelatin, penetration through barriers would be as much or more than the more sedate loads and muzzle blast would be massive compared to other loads.

You've apparently never had trigger time with DT's 135gn Nosler load.

It's been tested against different intermediate barriers by various users who've posted the results on-line (check 10mm Talk; GT's 10Ring - remember, the "Search" function is your buddy ;) )

Bottom-line: it consistently exhibits minimal penetrative capability against said barriers or materials, being designed to fragment, rather than drive deep into the target.

Hence, this load has garnered the on-line moniker, "Frag Nasty" for its tendency to fragment horrifically. As noted earlier, a COM hit on a BG's upper thoracic cavity would be ... well, ... not pretty. :scrutiny: Certainly not a magic bullet, but it appears to perform within its design parameters.

Moreover, this load's blast and concussive emission is certainly no worse than other high-performance 10mm ammo, while its actual felt-recoil is less than other DT 10mm loads, due to the projectile's weight. In fact, I've fired this one against other DT & Buffalo Bore loads and out of a stock G20 the felt-recoil was comparatively mild.

Firing this load inside a structure is going to be loud for sure, but so would any major-caliber handgun round, and a shotgun blast would be just as deafening.

Its is possible that due to its high velocity and relatively fragile HP it may fragment when striking a wall or other surface but I wouldn't want to count on that.

Actually, that's exactly what it does - again, based upon reported user experiences.

The OP can certainly choose what he likes, but he shouldn't dismiss this load out of hand without doing more research or, perhaps, getting a box or two and testing it himself.

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Lowest penetration? Rubber bullets and primers only. You can get rubber hypodermic syringe plungers that fit perfectly and will print 1" groups at 10 yards. If your gun has polygonal rifling, they'll last pretty much forever.
 
Nothing you can do about overpen. Except hit your target, Sleep upstairs and shoot the baddies before the get upstairs, live in the country where your neighbors are far away.

Any decent defense round will zip through a modern wall. I have been in some houses with bedroom walls and floors with a sand like materiel in them to stop bullets. Then again they had an elevator also, so I doubt it was cheap.

The difference between different calipers and overpen, when the target is missed, is minimal. 9mm is know for zipping through things despite its apparent weakness.
 
Moreover, this load's blast and concussive emission is certainly no worse than other high-performance 10mm ammo,

Wow, you are quick to assume a lot but not so good at READING. I stated it would have much more muzzle blast than the "more sedate" loads. Not the other full powered loads. I made NO comparison to other full powered 10mm loads, which I think would also be a bad choice for him. But hey, your the expert not me.
 
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