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M&Pc or G26???

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by kup9984, Jan 9, 2010.

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  1. kup9984

    kup9984 Member

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    This is my first thread on here...

    Who has which? Why do you like it over the other one?
    If I get the Glock I'm planning on getting the Pearce grip extension or +2 mag extension they offer for the gun.
    What is your preference when it comes to the extensions? Grip or mag? How come?
    I will be using this handgun as my daily CCW.
    I also want to use this in IDPA matches as well as playing around at the range. Pretty much interested in an awesome all-around gun that will fit my needs... .22LR conversions would be a plus too since I plan on going shooting alot and don't want to have to pay for 9mm ammo EVERYTIME!
    Just to get this out there... I ABSOLUTELY DETEST IWB HOLSTERS!
    I wear dress pants, button up shirt, and tie each day for work but take my coat off once I get to the office, so a belt holster is not really an option for me.
    When I'm not at work I wear boot cut jeans with a belt or sweats.
    I'm planning on carrying in a Galco Ankle Glove for work and will most likely get a Galco SOB as another option for carry outside of work.
    I hope I have been clear about what I plan on using the gun for and how it will be used. Looking forward to hearing what you all have to say about these 2 handguns.
    *I have shot the Glock, but not the M&Pc

    Model: M&P9c; G26
    Caliber: 9mm
    Capacity: 12+1; 10+1
    Barrel Length (in): 3.5; 3.46
    Trigger Pull (lbs): 6.5; 5.5
    Trigger Travel (in): .300; .500
    Overall Length (in): 6.70; 6.29
    Weight Empty (oz): 21.70; 19.75
    Overall Height (in): 4.30; 4.17
    Width (in): 1.20; 1.18
    Sight Radius (in): 5.75; 5.67
     
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  2. memphisjim

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    glock is the more proven design
    and has better after market base
    factory 33rnd mags are neat too
     
  3. T. Bracker

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    The grip angles on Glocks do not fit my hands nearly as well as the M&P series, either full size or compact. FWIW
     
  4. Jed Carter

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    G26 10+1, 15+1, 17+1, all glock 9mm mags will work available almost everywhere. Both are toooooo small for me. G19 or the CZ PCR way to go and the PCR usually takes the trip.
     
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    jed dont forget 33 + 1 the glock 18 mags
     
  6. kup9984

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    T. Bracker:
    What's the difference in grip angles between the 2 options? Do you know what they are?

    Jed:
    I like that the magazines are interchangeable as well! That's a great plus =) I have shot the G19 and the PCR and they're too big for what I'm interested in. There is no way I would be able to carry the PCR/P01 with an ankle holster... I do like each of these guns though.
     
  7. jon_in_wv

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    The designs of the two are so similar its not really relevant which one is "more proven".

    The market base for the M&Ps is for the average guys purposes just as strong. You can get any sights, holsters, etc....you would want for the M&P.

    That being said, both are great weapons. Shoot both and decide which one fits your hand better and which you shoot better. We can't tell you that.
     
  8. ckone

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    Glock. You cannot dry-fire an M&P without risking breaking the striker (snap cap or not), and if you want to clean or replace your extractor you'll need to knock out a pin that was put in with a 20,000lb press...

    Wish I didn't find this stuff out the hard way...
     
  9. The Lone Haranguer

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    I've owned both a mini-Glock (27, the same gun as the G26 except for caliber) and a M&P 9C, albeit not as ankle guns. The Glock, IMO, is at the maximum limit of size to be a practical ankle gun, and the M&P is larger still, both in height, length and slide thickness. If your primary carry is to be on the ankle, IMO you would be better off with the Glock.

    This is a wash - the full-size M&P magazines will work in the compact. (True, there are no 33-round mags for it, but realistically you weren't going to carry those on your person anyway.)
     
  10. jon_in_wv

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    That doesn't ring true to me. Why would you risk breaking the striker when using snap caps? I've done quite a bit of reading on the M&Ps and I own two. You may have had a problem with yours but I don't think that its a problem with the whole lot. Todd G at Pistol-training.com fire 62,333 rounds through an M&P 9mm and it did just fine in my book.


    Also, I think the size difference is a wash. The slide of the M&P is slighty wider at the rails but its narrower at the top and on the end of the slide due to the way it is contoured. I believe it is slightly shorter in height though. Both specs are within a few tenths of an inch of each other, you are not likely to feel a real difference between the two. Either is too large for ankle carry. I would use an LCP if I was going to use that method of carry, which I won't.
     
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  11. kup9984

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    Is the difference in size really that noticeable when carring on the ankle? I know a few different people that carry each of them this way...
     
  12. ckone

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    There is a flaw in the design of the M&P striker that causes it to break under dry fire... If you do some more looking around you'll find this out.
    The ToddG test of the M&P is not something that can explain away the M&Ps shortcomings altogether and besides, I've read things where Todd acknowledged that M&Ps break their strikers under dry fire anyways... be glad it has not happend to you yet.
     
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    Both are great. I used to have a S&W M&P 9 compact, but I ended up trading it for a Glock 19 instead. No real reason, except that I just like Glocks better

    I think you'd be happy with either, so find out which one you shoot better!
     
  14. fxstchewy

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    I really like my G26 in a Don Hume OWB or a Fobus and the Glock Sport holster does a great job, as far as Semi's go for CCW it is my go to gun............
     
  15. gglass

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    I just love the way that Glock Kool-Aid drinkers can take a few broken strikers on the M&P forums and turn it into a failure of the whole platform.

    The same Glock nuts go ballistic when the handful of famous Glock KB's are mentioned in these threads.

    If you want to get into the dirt on a thread like this, why not Google the problems that LEos have with Glocks?

    Here we have just a few...

    NYPD Advisory - Effective 20 February 2003 all Glock Model 26 pistols in the E serial range of the current "non-recall" have been banned from carry by NYPD MOS. They are instructed to cease carrying the weapon and contact the Firearms Training Section for instructions concerning replacement.- Lt. Sean McMahon

    Albuquerque, N.M. - The Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department has discovered a problem with its new Glock .40-caliber semi-automatic handguns.An inspection turned up two more broken guns says Deputy Robert Ray. Ray, the departments armorer, says that on some newer versions of the gun, two pieces of steel in the lower portion of the weapon were improperly machined. Those pieces may be prone to breaking under the stress of repeated firing.

    Portland Police Chief Derrick Foxworth is ordering all officers to transition to the use of 9mm handguns after recent mechanical failures of the Glock .45 caliber handgun. During the week of March 1, 2004, two failures occurred during firearms training.The transition to the 9mm handguns will be handled in such a manner as to ensure that officers continue to provide the same level of service to the community. - PIO Cheryl Robinson

    The Tribune-Star - Indiana State Police will receive new Glock 9 mm handguns as a result of functional problems with their current Glock 40-caliber handguns.About 50 guns that were identified as dysfunctional through a manufacturer defect will be replaced, said Indiana State Police Sgt. Joe Watts. The manufacturer is replacing the guns at no cost to State Police, Watts said. No timeline has been set for when the new handguns will arrive. When they arrive, police will be trained on their use. State troopers can carry one of the new, replaced handguns or the gun previously carried, a Beretta 40-caliber, he said.

    SPRINGFIELD -- Illinois State Police troopers soon will be carrying new pistols after officials said a malfunction in one of the most popular police weapons could have killed an officer if left unchecked. Glock Inc., based in Smyrna, Ga., will replace all of the agency's 2,270 Glock Model 22 handguns at a significant discount, although it disputes a state police claim that it altered the model to compensate for a design flaw.

    Local Indiana PD Department (100 Officers)

    I know all about "Glock Perfection", however these problems are very real and are the weapon, not the shooter limp wristing as has been explained to us. I am not going to debate that this has been happening. This is an issues that I have had in my duty gun. This is an issue that several of my officers have had in theirs. Quite simply, this is an issue that Glock needs to resolve.

    As has been well documentated here and on other professional forums, there have been significant problems persistent in the .40 Glocks. Ours have continued after switching ammo three times, switching mag springs, recoil springs, guide rods, shooting with different lights (including the horrible Glock light), etc...

    Glock and our regional rep, M.W. (name withheld) have been of no help. We cannot get our rep to even return our calls and emails, let alone get him to come to the range to see the problem first hand.

    This problem has gone on for over 3 years, which is long enough. We have given Glock every opportunity to resolve this, yet they refuse. As of today, we cut a check to outfit the approx 1/2 of our dept. that currently carries Glock with the Sig P229R.

    While I realize that our dept. is fairly small at right at 100 officers, this is an extremely poor reflection on the Glock company and their LE rep. Our firearms Lt. emailed our rep to tell him that we were switching back to Sigs and still got no response.

    To those who have experienced the same problems I have, thank you for your shared wisdom (R. Moran and tpd223, especially). To those still struggling with Glock over these issues, I wish you the best of luck.

    To Glock, as a company I wish you continued sucess. However if your continued lack of LE support continues you will quickly find yourself on the outside looking in, just as S&W did several years ago.

    Despite all of the drama and nonsupport we have recieved from Glock, I personally still believe that they make a wonderful gun - just not in .40 cal. I will continue to carry my 23 as my off duty gun until it starts to give me problems then away it goes to be replaced with a 19.

    There has already been one documentated case that I am aware of where a .40 22 misfed a round while an officer was actively engaging a suspect. The officer was thankfully well versed in the tap rack drill and got his weapon functioning. I find this to be unsatisfactory for a duty gun.

    If an officer is injured or unable to respond to an incident due to faulty equipment then both the PD and Glock are going to be liable and will be writing very large checks to the families of all involved.


    Milwaukee Police Department Finds Problems With Guns

    Posted: April 17th, 2009 01:30 PM EDT

    Story by wisn.com

    MILWAUKEE --

    The Milwaukee Police Department found that there is a serious problem with its guns.

    Officer Vidal Colon was injured over the weekend in a shootout, in which his gun jammed.

    The police chief has known about the problem for a year, but he is now taking immediate action following Saturday’s shooting.

    The chief sent a memo to the entire police department about the weapon problem.
    On Saturday, Colon responded to a report of a man armed with a gun near 36th and Scott streets.
    Colon fired his gun 13 times, and the suspect, Louis Domenech, shot back six times, refusing to drop his weapon, said police.

    Both men were hit, and police have been investigating the shootout. They learned that one bullet casing had stovepiped, or jammed, in the officer’s weapon.

    Police said stovepiping can be caused by technique depending on the position of the gun.

    But, the memo to the department revealed that the problem could be with the gun itself.

    "We had experienced a number of issues on the range with our issued Glock model 22, .40 caliber duty pistol magazines, which represents 45 percent of our issued weapons," said Flynn in the memo.

    The chief became aware of the problem in January 2008. Since then, "Glock has replaced 2,700 pistol magazines at no cost to the Milwaukee Police Department," said Flynn in the memo.

    The memo also said that the department addressed the issue with officers during a 2008 in-service firearms training session.

    But, according to the memo, 300 weapons have been transitioned while 600 remain.
    On Thursday night, training division personnel are exchanging the magazines in the remaining 600 firearms.
    The memo went on to say that due to an abudance of caution, the academy will be operating 24 hours a day for the next three days or until the magazines have been replaced.

    Flynn also said the protocol in issuing the magazines made the most sense because the only malfunctions reported were taking place at the shooting range.


    Pistol Explodes In Deputy's Hand
    http://www.wtov9.com/news/21866969/detail.html

    be glad it has not happend to you yet.
     
  16. kup9984

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    I'm new to this forum...
    I'm guessing I asked the wrong question?
    It appears this question could start the same sort of war that I could have gotten by asking what the best caliber for SD is.
    As far as the reliability of each of these guns are concerned... I know there will always be "bad" batches. I'm more concerned about what the percentages for these are though and what you all carry. I'm not interested in the bashing and he said she said issues.
     
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    I like my Glock 26.

    Fits my hand well, easy to work on (I can do any mod or repair myself), lighter weight then any gun the same size & just keeps on shooting.

    No extra controls or levers to slow your draw & shoot.
     
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    I went through the same thought process in early December. I had shot a friends 26 and loved the gun, while a little thick it was still concealable. I thought that would be a nice addition to my 17 & 19. I then started thinking the M&P9c is about the same size, slightly thinner, customizable back strap, takes the 17rd M&P9 FS mags (plus you can get an extension to boost the mag capacity to 23rds), better sights (IMHO), lots of aftermarket goodies, S&W customer service, and finally I shot it as good as if not better than the 26. I bought one used from 19-3ben in December and I think it is a fine choice for me. You can't go wrong with either one, but the M&P has a lot going for it. It has even pressured Glock to "improve perfection" by adding a line with replaceable back straps. ;)
     
  19. Manco

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    The main thing that differentiates these pistol designs is the ergonomics, including their grip angles. Try them both out at a range if possible, or in a store at the very least to see which is more to your liking in this regard. Like all pistols, both have had issues at times and with certain production runs, but overall they're as reliable as any out there.

    One other difference that people like to bring up is their take-down procedures, which to me are more or less equivalent since they have the same number of steps and end up with the same number of parts. The main difference is that on the M&P you're supposed to lock open the action and use a small tool (any will do and one is built into the frame so you'll always have one) to move an internal lever to disconnect the sear, while the corresponding step on the Glock is to dry fire it. The reason for this difference is specifically to avoid having to dry fire the pistol, which some view as a safety hazard (experience has unfortunately borne this out at some police stations), as well as to force oneself to make absolutely sure that the gun is unloaded at the same time. Personally, I don't think it's a big deal unless you're field stripping the gun all the time. If you just can't stand the inconvenience, then I believe that M&Ps that don't have magazine safeties can be dry fired instead, just like Glocks (somebody check me on this).

    As for the problems with strikers breaking when dry firing, I remember that having been taken care of a while back, along with the vast majority of failure-to-feed issues that affected too many units earlier on (one change regarding the latter is that the feed ramps all come well-polished from the factory now). Remember that many issues are old news, while new issues will unfortunately crop up occasionally, even on a mature design like the Glock, which has had its share of new issues that are eventually addressed, such as the slide rails breaking off the frame. Speaking of which, you have to read comparisons between the two critically because one that I've read, for instance, said that the M&P's slide rails were plastic and that the part of the frame supporting them did not seem as strong or durable as that of the Glock, which is hilarious because unlike the Glock that whole assembly is a steel sub-frame that runs from the front slide rails (also made of steel) to the rear ones; the M&P could be viewed as essentially a steel-framed pistol with a huge all-polymer grip attached. The writer thought that he saw signs that the "plastic" was deforming after only a couple thousand rounds--uh...no. :)

    Anyway, I'm satisfied that the M&P design is mature enough now to compare to Glock in reliability, and there is plenty of aftermarket support, which is always expanding.
     
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    That's true enough, although for the sake of comparison in this thread, the M&P series doesn't have any extra controls either, unless you specifically want an external safety lever (mine doesn't have one).
     
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    Both are EXCELLENT pistols, buy whichever fits your hands better...
     
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    I went to a local indoor range last week to try out all the different compact/subcompact pistols they had available that I could possibly be interested in for carry. I wasn't able to shoot the M&Pc, but while there was told that before I bought the G26 I should check the Smith out because they had alot to offer. I LOVED THE G26 AND SHOT IT BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER GUN EXCEPT THE G19... which I won't be able to carry on the ankle. So now I'm down to these 2 handguns. If I shoot the Glock the best I've ever shot any gun... EVEN better than I can shoot my Sig after LOTS of practice, will the Smith work out better for me or is the grip angle different to the point if I shoot the Glock well I won't shoot the Smith well?
     
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    If you shot the Glock well and you really like it, there is no reason not to go with it.

    The Glock 26 also has high quality .22 conversion kit available, made by Advantage Arms.

    The M&P 9c also shoots well, and I like shooting it more than the 26. I can't tell you about the grip angle, that doesn't affect me. I think you could adjust to either grip angle with a bit of practice...
     
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    Does the M&Pc have any .22LR kits available like the G26 does? I think that and price are the Glock advantage right now...
     
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    No, the M&P series currently do not have .22LR kits or whole .22 caliber pistols available. I hear the S&W is supposed to introduce a .22LR caliber M&P pistol, but do not know when they will actually be available or what size or features will be available on them.
     
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