traded my old beat up 45 hawken rifle for this M1870/87 Italian Vetterli-Vitali in 10.4x47R. marked 1889, guns in good shape, the bore looks new. i was given some cut down 8mm label ppu brass, i do plan to shoot it, have not decided to just use pyrodex or 4198 or pistol powders. the gun is all matching, tho i don't think the cleaning rod is original. i think i did a good trade for this, if anyone has one share yours and your loads. my cat was helping with the pictures and playing with the cleaning rod lol. i still have to slug the bore, i should do a chamber cast and see if i can just use normal 44 bullets, if not i can jst seat them and the lead shaved off will make the healed bullet needed. thanks. troy.