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M1870/87 Italian Vetterli-Vitali 10.4x47R

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  1. troy fairweather

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    traded my old beat up 45 hawken rifle for this M1870/87 Italian Vetterli-Vitali in 10.4x47R. marked 1889, guns in good shape, the bore looks new. i was given some cut down 8mm label ppu brass, i do plan to shoot it, have not decided to just use pyrodex or 4198 or pistol powders. the gun is all matching, tho i don't think the cleaning rod is original. i think i did a good trade for this, if anyone has one share yours and your loads.

    my cat was helping with the pictures and playing with the cleaning rod lol. i still have to slug the bore, i should do a chamber cast and see if i can just use normal 44 bullets, if not i can jst seat them and the lead shaved off will make the healed bullet needed. thanks. troy.


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  2. stillquietvoice

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    Nice trade troy. I've used pyrodex before unless you plan to clean at the range I'd stick with smokeless. Pyrodex rusted my flintlock in the short drive from range to home.
     
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  3. troy fairweather

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    ya pyrodex and be weird, i have had guns sit all day and no rust. then on others it rust before i can walk back to my truck.
     
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  4. stillquietvoice

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    I went to real black powder after that. Found it to be less corrosive for all of my ml stuff.
     
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  5. troy fairweather

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    where you get the bp form, i live close to Pa. so id just have to fine a shop with it. the real black is pricey last i seen, 4198 would be cheaper.
     
  6. .455_Hunter

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    I have one in very similar condition, but have not shot it. Cool example of a non-Mauser style bolt action that was relatively a technological dead end.
     
  7. stillquietvoice

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    I picked up some from a shop in Montrose a few years ago but when I was reenacting I bought from the artilarists. They would buy a 50 lb keg. Make 1 lb 5 in tin foil charges then sell in 1 lb cans. It is cheaper to buy bulk but have to have proper storage.
     
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  8. Walkalong

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    Very cool.
     
  9. LoonWulf
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    Man those are goofy guns!
    Looks like a good trade to me, looking forward to hearing how the old beast shoots.
     
  10. troy fairweather

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    it should shoot good, the bore looks like new. i just id a chamber cast. the grove is .426 to .427. they are weird looking that's why i like them.
     
  11. NIGHTLORD40K

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    That bore is like new, amazing!

    I think its more steampunk cool than weird myself- like it would go well with a Gunblade from Final Fantasy. :D

    In any event, nice work, Troy, good luck with the ammo!
     
  12. troy fairweather

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    thanks, ya i gasped when i looked down the barrel, i did not even put a patch down it when i took that pic.
     
  13. LRDGCO

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    That cleaning patch in the bottom.pic looks filthy (and furry). ;-)

    The rifle looks pretty minty!
     
  14. troy fairweather

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    but look how good it cleaned the bore, it was pitted so bad, one pass with the kitty patch and it's like a new bore lol.
     
  15. kBob

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    When I was a kid the next door neighbor had one of these on a big board/plaque in the living room as decore. His wife disliked it. The worst thing is he would not let the 12 year old from next door play with it. Over the years he let me shoot his Walther PP .32ACP, a five inch S&W M&P (Model 10), and a green Teflon coated Universal .30 Carbine, but never let me play with the Italian/Swiss rifle.

    Even after one of Dad's friends let me keep a Mauser 71/84 that Bannerman or Sears had carbinized back in the day for a few months.

    An uncle had a swiss .41 RF with the tube magazine I once got to play with ( he had about 30 rounds of ammo as well) but he died while I was over seas and no one seemed to know what had happened to great grand dad's old rifle when I got home.

    -kBob
     
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    Nice low mileage rifle. If I remember correctly it should take a .415" slug.
     
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    One was used in the movie "Serenity". (the Fierfly movie, not the current movie of the same title) My best friend has one, but has not tried to load for it.
     
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    What scene are you referring to? Ive seen that movie hundreds of times and never noticed a Vetterli......

    Browncoats forever!
     
  19. kBob

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    Now if he doesn't answer we will have to just watch the whole Fillion thing! Where did I put the air popper?

    -kBob
     
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    Poor us!
     
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    ...found it.....still watching movie again....
     
  22. Merle1

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    Personally I would not use any smokeless powder, especially pistol powders in it.
    BP operates at a much lower pressure level.
     
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  23. NIGHTLORD40K

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    What? Where!?
     
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    Right at the start of the robbery scene.
     
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  25. theotherwaldo

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    Check C&Rsenal's write-up on this old rifle -
    -Apparently, it even served in the First World War!
     
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