M855 victory!!!!

[justin22885]

well, now ALL of you need to be pushing to have the 7n6 bans lifted.. the further you push them back the longer it'll take to recover that ground, do nothing now and M855 will still be banned sooner than later.. so start pushing 7N6 and 7.62x39 next

 

[nathan]

The best is to dissolve the BATF. They impede on the 2A, period. I bet they backed off bec of the proposed bill of Sensenbrenner to take them out of business. But they'll be back once they see Sensenbrenner is out of office and people are too focused on other things.

 

[justin22885]

well they should be taken out of business.. theyre just another organization that does nothing but have cross jurisdiction with other organizations that already exist, their very presence is nothing but an added burden to the US tax payer and another increase in the size of government

however, besides dissolving them we need to push to repeal the laws that give them power in the first place, we need to get rid of the 68 gun control act

 

[nathan]

A reawakening of this generation and the next and the next is very important . Or else , good bye to 2A . So called govts all over the world always want full control of its people through disarmament. We are lucky our founding fathers had put it in writing the Bill of Rights so we can keep and bear arms based on what our natural rights are supposed to be. To be free and have the means necessary to stand against tyrannical govts and overlords.

 

[rogerjames]

I emailed NRA-ILA and told them I would no longer send them money to "defend" my rights unless they demonstrated offensive action against the ATF. The email I received from the NRA claiming responsibility and victory about M855 seemed disingenuous. This seemed more like a grass roots victory than an NRA led pursuit. I appreciate the NRA and I'm a proud member, but...

 

[nathan]

NRA plays the middle ground. They get money from both sides of the spectrum.

 

[Trent]

Waiting for user Trent to chime in. Because what he said is EXACTLY what happened. The ATF hasn't thrown it out completely. They are waiting until they can hear everyone's commentary before taking any action. Still, the delay is indeed a victory.

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Doing public comments on this is a "good deed" for gun owners, and I stand by my convictions that I'm willing to put my name on a piece of paper for something I believe in to protect our heritage. But I'm concerned about what is going to happen next, once the 80,000+ comments are released for public view.

I seriously hope that people listened when I said "Be polite and respectful", because there was a reason for my cautionary statement. Submitting comments to the Federal Government opens those comments up immediately (upon processing) for public review - Bartholemew Roberts, for instance, reviewed a lot of the previous comments for this issue from Dec 2012 submissions, and for other ATF commentary issues in the past, such as the shotgun sporting purpose import ban, etc. (Smart guy, that one, people would be wise to pay attention when he talks.. er.. writes.)

The ATF isn't out of this game, they're *regrouping*, that is all. This is a battle and we won the first skirmish. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm happy (very) that we won the first engagement - but this isn't over, not by a long shot.

Stay vigilant - and be ready. 80,000+ owners of AR-15 rifles are about to get outed publicly and anti-gun groups and the government are going to be able to harvest that data for whatever purposes they want.

Also; don't panic, if you think about cause and effect, anything they do to potentially abuse "us", collectively or individually, now has a domino effect; there is strength in numbers. "We the People" have some pretty good rights, too.

Be aware that agent provocateurs have probably submitted comments, so watch for red herrings getting brought out for dissection.. a potential tactic for them is to submit highly controversial comments and then use that for mainstream media - this could lead to "Look at what the typical gun owner says...!" shock propaganda.

Anyway, going to be an interesting wait, until they re-engage us.

 

[justin22885]

i emailed them when 7N6 was banned and basically got a "tough ****". defending our rights against ATF over-stepping wasnt profitable enough as not enough people shoot 7N6 for them to care

also, this was a more grass roots movement, millions of emails sent to representatives, legislators, and to the ATF is what did this much, and we need to continue, its up to us to defend our rights, no one else, we're pretty much on our own

 

[Aragon]

i emailed them when 7N6 was banned and basically got a "tough ****". defending our rights against ATF over-stepping wasnt profitable enough as not enough people shoot 7N6 for them to care

also, this was a more grass roots movement, millions of emails sent to representatives, legislators, and to the ATF is what did this much, and we need to continue, its up to us to defend our rights, no one else, we're pretty much on our own

"Millions" of emails? The BATFE received about 80K. You're naive if you don't believe that the NRA has considerable weight on Capital Hill.

I'd settle for 800K next time...

 

[justin22885]

this was a victory by and for the american people, and with reports of NATO changing to a different cartridge we're facing an influx of millions of rounds of incredibly cheap M855 ammo.. this wasnt a cause that effected gun manufacturers at all, and ammo manufacturers seem to have a lot more to gain by it being banned.. the american people were active for this, and yes, millions of emails were sent, not just to the ATF but to legislators, lawyers, etc

you seem incredibly quick to underestimate the weight of pull the people themselves have.. if you think youre going to give a few dollars over to a lobbyist group and your work is done, you dont have to do anything further then you are WAY off course, our gun rights neither begin nor end with ANY lobbyist group, they begin and end with the people, whether the people want to defend them or sit back and do nothing, and its the duty of the people to protect it when our government wants to attack these rights

it was also the emails and phone calls people sent into their representatives as well, pressuring them to put pressure on the ATF.. and a very large part of it has to do with the changing image of the modern gun owner, away from the hunting "fudd" and more towards the militant intentions of the second amendment.. the NRA didnt change this image either, they didnt suddenly give the american people a backbone, WE did that, 2013 was a major wake up call to many new shooters

give credit where credit is due and the gun owners deserve the credit, no one else

 

[USAF_Vet]

"Millions" of emails? The BATFE received about 80K. You're naive if you don't believe that the NRA has considerable weight on Capital Hill.

I'd settle for 800K next time...

I think the 80,000 number came from the open commentary via ATF, and does not include letters, e-mails and phone calls to ATF, House of Reps and the Senate. I know I sent off more than one form of communication to all of them. So...

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

The NRA certainly played a critical role here. I'm a lawyer myself and I follow firearms issues; but I wouldn't have known about it without the NRA - it was published Friday afternoon prior to a 3-day weekend (President's Day) and it wasn't even published in the Federal Register where you would normally look. Yet, NRA was on it the same day within hours and warning gun owners. You've got to have a Paul Revere before you can have a Lexington or Concord.

The second way NRA played a crtical role is that despite a 3-day weekend, NRA was hitting the halls of Congress Tuesday morning. By the end of that week, they had the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and the Chairman of the Appropriations Subcommittee working on a letter to ATF. As much as grass roots pressure was an important and critical part of this, NRA made that pressure a knife edge instead of a flat plate by directing it in a productive manner.

NRA is a critical component of why we are successful. The people who claim to support the Second Amendment but spend all their time tearing down the NRA are not being helpful. The only group I consider more critical than NRA are the various state RKBA groups. Certainly the NRA isn't perfect - and as the largest RKBA group with 5 million members, they are also going to have the hardest time trying to please all of those 5 million members; but they were critical to success here and critical to success in 2013. They are absolutely deserving of your support just for what they do in the non-lobbying educational arena.

 

[MisterMike]

I try to remain apolitical in commenting on these things, but it's very clear that the current administration has and will continue to do all it can to infringe on Second Amendment rights. I am glad that this has been dropped for now, but you can be sure that this attempted ban will resurface and other attempts at legislation via executive orders and regulations will rear their ugly heads throughout this presidency. Stay vigilant and stay engaged!

 

[Lycidas Janwor]

Hopefully this delayed ban by the ATF will last until BO is out of office! I certainly hope a conservative president is elected but this country is so whacky that I cannot be assured that another liberal/progressive won't be the president in 2016.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Don't be so eager to claim a victory. All we did was set the first phase in place for the ATF via the Overton Window. The 'Green Tip Ban' is now on the table whereas it wasn't before. There isn't much we could have done to keep it off the table other than to eliminate the ATF and all its usurped powers. At least we stopped them at that point.

Prepare for the next onslaught. It will be much more difficult now that the 'Green Tip Ban' is on the table for 'discussion'.

Woody

 

[nathan]

This is just a lull in the fighting. The best is dissolve the BATF. Its practically making money out of the 2nd Amendment at the expense of the people's right .

When they were successful in banning 7n6 , then they were embolden to move on to the green tip. It doesnt take much to understand how these people work in BATF . If an agency like them has too much over over the control of guns, then they can make up just about anything .

 

[Tirod]

The ATF Chief has now testified he want's all 5.56 banned.

There's no victory here. It's just another gambit in the disarmament agenda.

 

[justin22885]

while disbanding the ATF is important, we need to focus on the laws that give them power more

 

[RG7X]

"In a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, ATF Director B. Todd Jones said all types of the 5.56 military-style ammo used by shooters pose a threat to police as more people buy the AR-15-style pistols."

http://bearingarms.com/atf-chief-suggests-5-56-ammo-threat-law-enforcement/

 

[justin22885]

im tempted to buy an AR-15 pistol now just to piss them off, and i dont even like AR-15s.. why not? i already have a krinkov in 5.56 on my short list

 

[hatt]

im tempted to buy an AR-15 pistol now just to piss them off, and i dont even like AR-15s.. why not? i already have a krinkov in 5.56 on my short list

DO IT. I bought a 40 round PMag just because I knew it would piss off someone somewhere. When you can't beat them you can antagonize them.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

AAR: ATF received over 310,000 comments regarding the proposed ban of M855 (about 180k of those being two form letter petitions). That is roughly 100,000 comments a week until ATF backed off the proposal and another 10,000 after that - and all of this for a "Notice" that was not published in the Federal Register and was only given 30 days for commentary (and published the afternoon before a 3-day weekend in D.C.)

Source: http://freebeacon.com/issues/atf-received-more-than-310000-comments-on-ammo-ban/

In short, ATF did everything humanly possible to slide this under the radar and they got a response that is record-breaking. That is over 15 times the response that the Shotgun Importation regulation received (over 90 days and with publication in FR) and over 30 times the response that ATF-41P received (again with 90 days and publication in FR).

That goes a long way in explaining ATF's sudden about face on this issue.

 

[kimberkid]

In celebration, I went to the range on Wednesday ... I only took toys that hadn't been out in over a year Daewoo AR110C, AUG A2, Colt Cadett and an old beaten & abused Hi-Standard Trophy that I rescued.

It was a good time