M9 and US Service Pistols

[Pilot]

Where is the Browing Hi Power and CZ-75B in the above photo? Noticed you used the larger SP-01 Shadow instead.

 

[Chindo18Z]

Standard (steel) SP-01 Tactical; not a Phantom.

It just happened to be a photo I had at hand. I didn't put it together for this discussion.

But feel free to gift me another BHP or 75...

 

[digsigs226]

The 92 is not any larger than any other 5" gun

Maybe not with that specific barrel length but of the main service sized pistols I can think of... the 1911 (8.25in), Sig P226 (7.7in), Glock 17 (7.32in), HK USP (7.64in), CZ-75 (7.2in), and the BHP (7.8in), the M9 (8.5in) is certainly the largest.

Anyways.. the basis of my "Gargantuan" comment was more off of the fact that as a one size fits all solution, it's a bit bigger than it needs to be for many end users, particularly aircrew. Which could be why some flying squadrons are buying their own Glock 19's.

 

[vita]

love mine. outshot many officers at our law enforcement qualification, they shot their glocks and I shot my 92fs. 220/230 while they averages 210/220.

 

[Shipwreck]

I conceal one every day - have for about 19-20 months now

 

[starbuck]

There's a major difference in a duty pistol you carry off to war and a personal weapon you shoot on the weekends...

I'm aware of that. The implication of his post was that the guy liked it only because the military made him carry it, and he didn't know any better.
He carried it off to war, apparently decided it worked well enough to go buy one for himself.

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

I'm aware of that. The implication of his post was that the guy liked it only because the military made him carry it, and he didn't know any better.
He carried it off to war, apparently decided it worked well enough to go buy one for himself.

I won't speak to what his implications were, because neither of us know the answer to that. I didn't take that from his post, and offered my opinion on it. Relying on a weapon to save your life in combat leaves a greater impression than relying on a weapon to save your ego at the range. That's all I'm saying.

 

[MidwestRookie]

here ya go Chindo, I un-photoshopped that pic you posted to show the real size of this gargantuan pistol...and also added a to-scale size picture of a deagle to compare..



I see where he's coming from..

 

[SSN Vet]

Had I judged 1911 pistols by the ones I encountered in the Navy, I wouldn't dare own any of its variants today because the rattle traps in the service sucked hard.

Now your bringing back memories

 

[0311]

@ midwestrookie, LOL, nice!
@FLAvalanche, +1, I am pretty I sure handled a few that we used as stakes.

 

[Gunner442]

I carried an M9 for 20 plus years in the service and have thousands of rounds through them ( I was a small arms instructor for a couple years), the pistol is accurate, reliable, and easy to maintain. I cannot recall a FTF at any time. The reputation of the M9 was damaged when DoD cut corners and bought cheapo magazines. I always enjoyed carrying it, and never had a doubt it would work.

 

[tahunua001]

your friend probably likes the 92 because being a career soldier, he used that gun day in and day out. he had the fact beat into his head that the M9 was his friend and he could trust it with his life. and day after day of drilling with it he became more familiar with it than his high school sweetheart. it's not much different in the navy and being the "resident gun nut" in my division, when people ask about a good handgun to get they usually ask about the Beretta, just because of familiarity.

now that I've gotten that point across. the M9/92fs is an accurate gun and I'd trust it with my life if I had to but I'm not a fan of the safety lever on top, the grips are strange and alien to me and I prefere the ammo cap of a good glock 17 or springfield XDM. also I like being able to squeeze off a round as soon as I draw my pistol without having to worry about a manual safety. not really knocking the berreta, just putting my 2 cents in.

 

[0311]

. the M9/92fs is an accurate gun and I'd trust it with my life if I had to but I'm not a fan of the safety lever on top,

This was my reason for moving away from a M9 for personal use, the dang lever in of itself and then, secondary, the position of it. Freaking nightmare with my hands for presenting the weapon.

 

[digsigs226]

Thanks for the chuckle midewestrookie, that was pretty funny

I like being able to squeeze off a round as soon as I draw my pistol without having to worry about a manual safety.

I was taught to carry the M9 round in the chamber, safety off, and hammer forward. Not sure how other branches teach it.

I guess if you worry about accidentally leaving it on though, then that may be a valid concern.

 

[prickett]

Imagine a Green Beret driving a Buick and a Navy seal driving a Ford.

Who's right? Who's best? Who's to say, both are good cars, CZ and Beretta are both good guns.

If your Ranger buddy was issued a CZ during his career, he would probably be carrying one today. Interesting to note that, according to you, the Beretta was not the 'best', just the one he was familiar with and liked.

When you figure out which gun is the 'best', post here for some interesting responses.

The SEAL is right, of course

 

[0311]

The SEAL is right, of course

Dammit, I thought I had it figured out until this, we have a Ford and a Volvo.

 

[prickett]

While the M9 is an accurate and reliable gun, I prefer the CZ-75 due to the ability to change the sights. I love my fiber optic!

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

I was taught to carry the M9 round in the chamber, safety off, and hammer forward. Not sure how other branches teach it.

I guess if you worry about accidentally leaving it on though, then that may be a valid concern.

Where were you taught that?

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[Obsidian]

The M9 is a solid tool. I think there are better pistol options out there for more individualized roles but we will never see that in today's Military.

Lots of folks have shot lots of rounds though them and love them.

I've been on the side of the house where I've fixed the broken parts in them.

I can't say I would ever purchase a new one. If one came up that was the right price for something, I may indulge and buy it.

I don't think they are a bad sidearm for what the military has needed them for.

Yes, much of the problems have come from the checkmate magazines. It does not matter how great of a firearm you have, if your magazines are garbage that weapon is worthless.


I've just seen enough problems with them at various round counts, particularly in the higher ones that I don't feel the need to run out and buy one. The are great pistols for a lot of people. I've even shot battalion high scores with them. They are great and easy to shoot pistols.

As far as the Ranger friend? Well how many WW2 vets or Korean War Vets that carried and used the 1911 chose that one when they were done with their military service? It was familiar.

Once again I'm not going on a M9 rampage on either side. Several of my friends in the service have a civilian model in one form or another. I even have a close variant to a Army pistol, a Sig P229. The M9 is a perfectly serviceable pistol. And its easy to fix when it breaks. Ive fixed a few hundred or so I would guess.

Its like anything else out there, if you know the limitations and the parts that can or will go bad you are okay.

Cock them if you've got them and lets all just banter about as we engage targets down range.

 

[mortablunt]

The M9 is a good pistol. I love the sights and the grip seems to naturally have my fingers curl around it. Wierdly, I get the same good feeling grip from M1911's.

 

[Onmilo]

I like the M9
I like the 1911
I like the Sig 226 &228
I like the H&K USP 9mm
I like Glock 9mms
I like the Walther P1
I kind of like the H&K P7
Why do I like all these guns?
Because I own all these guns and none of them are what I would call 'bad design'.
Right now I consider the M92F/M9 a "must have" handgun for my country simply because if everything goes to sheet, I want a gun I know I can get spares for. My tax dollars at work and all.

I would strongly recommend everyone who can legally do so, obtain the .mil handgun your country uses and keep one on hand, "Just in case."

 

[starbuck]

This was my reason for moving away from a M9 for personal use, the dang lever in of itself and then, secondary, the position of it. Freaking nightmare with my hands for presenting the weapon.

I got rid of my FS slide and replaced it with a "G" slide for just that reason. Now mine is a decocker-only. It makes that lever more or less moot. I love the gun much more this way.

 

[gvf]

I just bought a slightly used 92FS Inox:




Shoots with very high accuracy and zip recoil. As tested by Beretta USA, average reliability is 17,500 rounds with no stoppages. Army supervised test with 10 men shooing the gun (military twin): 168,000 rounds, no stoppages.

I CCW it, lighter than my 1911. I'm over 60 with skinny hands, no problem handling it.

Great gun - no reason to look further for me. Glocks are great and all that but have the personality of Gerald Ford in his deceased state - and for me so-so triggers.

 

[jaysouth]

I get a flame war started every time I honeslty relate how lousy and un reliable the .45 1911s were that we had in Vietnam or the fact that NOBODY wanted to carry one in the bush.

 

[Too_Pure]

It's interesting and a never-ending source of wonder to me how what feels perfect in my hand will feel awful in another's. The 92fs fits my hand more perfectly than any other I know. But that's why we have so many choices.


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