Mag capacity vs Caliber

[Darebear]

If I'm in that bad of an area I would be wondering why I have to choose a handgun and not a rifle(which I would just toss in my truck if I was going to go to a bad area as state law allows it), or why I couldn't just run them over. As for what handgun I am also in the "whatever you shoot best and is reliable" group as it doesn't matter how powerful the gun is or how many rounds the gun can hold if you can't shoot the gun accurately.

Don't have to be in that bad of a area. I wish people would leave this mindset by the waist-side. I'm from Western PA, and not too long ago the Klan marched through a very nice area called Greensburg. I happened to live 20 minutes from there when this happened. What if I (a black man) was in the middle of Greensburg at that time?

Another Incident here about 8 or so years back a man (Richard Baumhammers) went on a hate killing spree through the Squirrel Hill neighborhood in Pittsburgh PA. Squirrel Hill isn't the nicest neighborhood in Pgh, but the apartments in Squirrel Hill cost @ 1 grand a month so it's pretty close to one of the best... See what I'm saying. Sh** can hit the fan whether you live in Pleasentville USA or 8 mile Detroit.

 

[Super Sneaky Steve]

Men who prefer the 9mm also enjoy Twilight movies.

 

[Darebear]

Men who prefer the 9mm also enjoy Twilight movies.

LOL!!!!!!!!

Hey the first Twilight got me laid. 4 TIMES! I love that movie.

 

[JustinJ]

Don't have to be in that bad of a area. I wish people would leave this mindset by the waist-side. I'm from Western PA, and not too long ago the Klan marched through a very nice area called Greensburg. I happened to live 20 minutes from there when this happened. What if I (a black man) was in the middle of Greensburg at that time?

Umm, then you would think to yourself "what a bunch of idiots" and go about your day. Did they assault black men or are you saying a black man would have to attack them?

 

[Darebear]

Umm, then you would think to yourself "what a bunch of idiots" and go about your day. Did they assault black men or are you saying a black man would have to attack them?

No they didn't assault anyone. And I wasn't planning on engaging them, hell I was about 10 at the time. But the Klan isn't a cupcake and puff cream kinda group. I have no doubt that if I there was no law enforcement around and I was caught in the middle of something like that, that I would be harmed. They have been known to kill ya know.

But I was more-so saying that the "I live in a nice neighborhood so I don't have to worry about that" is a mis-leading mindset.

 

[allaroundhunter]

Umm, then you would think to yourself "what a bunch of idiots" and go about your day. Did they assault black men or are you saying a black man would have to attack them?

He is saying that in that situation the threat of violence is increased and it is in a typically not-so-hostile area. Yes, go about your business, but do not just put it off as "a bunch of idiots" when their history is one of extreme violence.

 

[Darebear]

He is saying that in that situation the threat of violence is increased and it is in a typically not-so-hostile area. Yes, go about your business, but do not just put it off as "a bunch of idiots" when their history is one of extreme violence.

Yea. Klan, Black Panthers, Al-Queda... I don't give a damn what group it is, I was just trying to illustrate crime, fear, and threats aren't immobilized and prejudice. These three can be seen anywhere in any situation.

But to just clarify, I will def retreat first in any of those situations. Unless I'm with person(s) that I have to protect and can't retreat as fast as I can.

 

[JustinJ]

My comment was tongue in cheek. My point was to keep threats in perspective. Yes, the klan used to assault people in the streets but thats not exactly a common occurence today.

I do however agree that more rounds are an advantage. Not to defend against mob attacks but because in many SD shooting scenarios people fire so fast, intentionally or not, with low hit percentages.

 

[RatherNotSay]

I see that 2-3 round quoted a lot for bigger caliber. I don't understand why. If 2-3 rounds seems to be the rule I doubt most of them are firing .45s. So 9mm and .38 would seem to be good to go.

A lot of the self defense classes and concealed carry classes I've been to kind of suggest this. I've even had an instructor tell me to put 2 in the guy and if he doesn't go down to keep firing.

I think it's interesting that people say "they don't plan on missing." IMO, I think that is a rather overzealous and maybe a little arrogant. Unless you've been in that situation over and over I would plan on it not because of incompetence or any reason simply because more factors come into play. Shooting is a perishable skill and unless we practice that skill fades. There are, however, things we can not practice for. Fine motor skills are diminished, shaking occurs that didn't while practicing at the range, there maybe a crowd moving around and so on. No one plans on missing, no one plans on getting mugged or raped or what have you but planning for it sure does help.

Just my 2 cents..

 

[Kush]

Don't have to be in that bad of a area. I wish people would leave this mindset by the waist-side. I'm from Western PA, and not too long ago the Klan marched through a very nice area called Greensburg. I happened to live 20 minutes from there when this happened. What if I (a black man) was in the middle of Greensburg at that time?

You look and say wow what a bunch of losers as you continue with your day, I don't see them attacking people in the open during the middle of the day anymore, also it would probably be all over the news a week in advance that they were having a rally now days.

Also, kind of off topic, but why does the klan have wizards, dragons, cyclopses, and realms, have they been playing to much dungeons and dragons?

Another Incident here about 8 or so years back a man (Richard Baumhammers) went on a hate killing spree through the Squirrel Hill neighborhood in Pittsburgh PA. Squirrel Hill isn't the nicest neighborhood in Pgh, but the apartments in Squirrel Hill cost @ 1 grand a month so it's pretty close to one of the best... See what I'm saying. Sh** can hit the fan whether you live in Pleasentville USA or 8 mile Detroit.

The incident you just stated involved a single shooter, not a group of 10 like in the post that i responded to saying that I would use a rifle instead of a handgun.

 

[Darebear]

You look and say wow what a bunch of losers as you continue with your day, I don't see them attacking people in the open during the middle of the day anymore, also it would probably be all over the news a week in advance that they were having a rally now days.

Just because YOU don't see them attacking people in the open during the day doesn't mean they won't. And history disagrees with what you "see". Just because it would probably be all over the news doesn't mean that people aiming to do harm won't do it and so what if it was on the news. Do I leave my neighborhood just because they gave me a fair warning? My apologies if this is offensive but your view on this is a very dense one... You say "I don't see them attacking people..." Is this your awareness and mindset against any and all possible threats or attacks? Are you a criminal or bad guy? No. So what makes you think that they think like you. Just because you don't envision it happening doesn't mean they don't envision it happening.

Call me paranoid but I hope for the best, plan for the worst. I don't brush off any threat no matter how small and senseless... How could you?

(And let me just clarify like I did before, I don't care if it's the Klan, Panthers, Veit-Con, or Muslim Extremists. A threat is a threat is a threat plain and simple and shouldn't be brushed off as senseless idiots. Senseless fools have killed and continue to till this day)

 

[Kush]

Just because YOU don't see them attacking people in the open during the day doesn't mean they won't. And history disagrees with what you "see". Just because it would probably be all over the news doesn't mean that people aiming to do harm won't do it and so what if it was on the news. Do I leave my neighborhood just because they gave me a fair warning? My apologies if this is offensive but your view on this is a very dense one... You say "I don't see them attacking people..." Is this your awareness and mindset against any and all possible threats or attacks? Are you a criminal or bad guy? No. So what makes you think that they think like you. Just because you don't envision it happening doesn't mean they don't envision it happening.

Call me paranoid but I hope for the best, plan for the worst. I don't brush off any threat no matter how small and senseless... How could you?

(And let me just clarify like I did before, I don't care if it's the Klan, Panthers, Veit-Con, or Muslim Extremists. A threat is a threat is a threat plain and simple and shouldn't be brushed off as senseless idiots. Senseless fools have killed and continue to till this day)

I'm sorry, my comment about it being on the news was about avoiding the area if you expected there to be problems, I didn't know that it was actually in your neighborhood. In that case, if you were worried about problems with them I would recommend staying inside as taking on a crowd of people out in the open by yourself with anything less than a crew served weapon the odds are not in your favor.

 

[Dr_2_B]

I tend to vacillate on this. Today, I'm content with the 9mm. Last year I thought it was about as effective as a water hose.

My goal now is to better my marksmanship so I can put 5-7 rounds in a small area in a very short period of time. While my pants are on fire.

 

[Darebear]

I tend to vacillate on this. Today, I'm content with the 9mm. Last year I thought it was about as effective as a water hose.

My goal now is to better my marksmanship so I can put 5-7 rounds in a small area in a very short period of time. While my pants are on fire.

Oooh. Teach me that trick. . I'm still working on doing triple taps in one small ragged hole. I'll get there. Faster with the 9mm than I will with the big boy bullets. But that's the everlasting compromise isn't it...

 

[480 Alaskan]

has anybody said 10mm yet? high cap with POWER!

 

[allaroundhunter]

Oooh. Teach me that trick. . I'm still working on doing triple taps in one small ragged hole. I'll get there. Faster with the 9mm than I will with the big boy bullets. But that's the everlasting compromise isn't it...

This might be more of an S&T discussion, but I train that if I am shooting a triple tap into "one raged hole" then I am taking too much time in between shots. The BG won't care if you put a 1.5" 3-shot group into his chest I try to keep my triple taps in about a 4" circle within 7 yds. That also means that multiple vital organs may be put out of the fight instead of just one with 3 rounds in it.

I'm not trying to attack your training at all, Darebear, it's just something else to think about. (And if anyone has a reason why I am wrong on this, or other suggestions, I am always open to new things)

 

[AK103K]

And if anyone has a reason why I am wrong on this...

No arguments here. I think youre pretty much right on.

 

[holdencm9]

I think it's interesting that people say "they don't plan on missing." IMO, I think that is a rather overzealous and maybe a little arrogant.

Agreed!

 

[Darebear]

This might be more of an S&T discussion, but I train that if I am shooting a triple tap into "one raged hole" then I am taking too much time in between shots. The BG won't care if you put a 1.5" 3-shot group into his chest I try to keep my triple taps in about a 4" circle within 7 yds. That also means that multiple vital organs may be put out of the fight instead of just one with 3 rounds in it.

I'm not trying to attack your training at all, Darebear, it's just something else to think about. (And if anyone has a reason why I am wrong on this, or other suggestions, I am always open to new things)

No you're right.

 

[easyg]

My compact .45 has 10 rounds plus one in the tube and it's thinner than a lot of single stack pistols.

Exactly what pistol is this?

And I'll never understand the obsession with rounds in the gun. That's why we have spare mags. I carry 2 extra mags holding 10 rounds each. 31 rounds of .45 is nothing to sneeze at.

Add up the weight of your 10+1 pistol plus the weight of the two xtra 10-round mags.
How much weight are you carrying?

 

[Dr_2_B]

Oooh. Teach me that trick.

Make no mistake. I ain't even close yet.

 

[JohnBiltz]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_2_B View Post
I tend to vacillate on this. Today, I'm content with the 9mm. Last year I thought it was about as effective as a water hose.

My goal now is to better my marksmanship so I can put 5-7 rounds in a small area in a very short period of time. While my pants are on fire.

Oooh. Teach me that trick. . I'm still working on doing triple taps in one small ragged hole. I'll get there. Faster with the 9mm than I will with the big boy bullets. But that's the everlasting compromise isn't it...

You need a buddy to set your pants on fire before you start the string of shots.

 

[MCgunner]

I'm into which ever fits in my pocket, is therefore there when I need it, and produces as much power for a pocket gun as possible. I got my Kel Tec P11 in 1996 before the PF9 was available. It has 2 rounds more capacity, but the PF9 is slightly lighter and flatter.

Belt gun, I'll take which ever is more accurate and functions best. I don't really see a difference in effectiveness of 9mm+P and .45ACP, not enough to squabble about. My P85 carries more rounds, but my P90 has a better trigger and is more accurate and I love that thing. I shoot that P90 better. When I choose between them, the P90 wins hands down. I keep the P85 around, thought. Man's got to have a 9mm service gun if only because the brass is all over the range for it.

IOW, I don't use the OP's criteria when making a handgun choice. I have more important factors to consider in a sidearm.

 

[MCgunner]

BTW, I like Revolvers. They only hold 6....MAGNUMS.

 

[HarcyPervin]

I think it's interesting that people say "they don't plan on missing." IMO, I think that is a rather overzealous and maybe a little arrogant. Unless you've been in that situation over and over I would plan on it not because of incompetence or any reason simply because more factors come into play. Shooting is a perishable skill and unless we practice that skill fades. There are, however, things we can not practice for. Fine motor skills are diminished, shaking occurs that didn't while practicing at the range, there maybe a crowd moving around and so on. No one plans on missing, no one plans on getting mugged or raped or what have you but planning for it sure does help.

This. I don't know how long it is going to take for people to realize that statistics mean nothing to the individual. Don't believe me? Ask anyone who's been attacked by a mob if they care whether or not they believe the "the average confrontation is 2-3 shots" statistic that keeps getting regurgitated on every one of these threads.

Sorry if I'm ranting here, but as far as I'm concerned, if you want to carry a .50 Desert Eagle, then do it. If you soon realize that you can't hit anything and that you're leaving it home because it's too heavy....maybe it's time to look at something different. Carry what you can shoot, and shoot what you carry.