kalibear45
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I can see its practicality but I voted NO coz I dry fire my pistols every so often and its a lot easier not having to check all the time...
Magazine disconnects
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isaidme
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When I finaly get my hi-power out of layaway im going to have trigger job while keeping the saftey.I like the idea of having a weapon that I can disable if for some strange reason there is a strugle over it.Dont want to die by the hands of my own gun!!!
sm
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NO
Hkmp5sd
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Don't like them. A gun has a trigger you pull to make it go bang. If you don't want a bang, don't pull the trigger.
Kahr carrier
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My finger is the only Safety that I need.
isaidme
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Well to me it makes more sense then a grip saftey
Schuey2002
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NO !
They are the work of PC politicians...
They are the work of PC politicians...
Preacherman
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I agree that in a weapon retention situation, if your pistol has a magazine disconnect safety (MDS) and you feel you may lose control of it to the BG struggling with you, hitting the magazine release and dumping the magazine will make the gun safe and may prevent you getting shot. However, I've always thought that any moderately knowledgeable BG would simply bend down, pick up the magazine, insert it, and...
My big beef with a MDS is that if I've had to use my pistol the hard way, and am now holding the surviving BG's at gunpoint, I want the weapon to be in firing condition at all times. I'm probably going to reload, so as to have a fully-charged weapon. If the pistol is rendered inoperative during the magazine change, even if only for a second or two, according to Murphy's Law, that's when the BG's will try something! No, thank you very much, I will not own a pistol with a MDS...
I'm a bit annoyed about this because it removes some really nice pistols from my inventory (e.g. Browning Hi-Power, all the Smiths, etc.). Yes, they can be modified to remove the MDS, but if one removes a "safety" feature from a weapon and then uses it in self-defence, you can be sure that Ima Shark, ambulance-chaser, will use that fact against you in court when he sues on behalf of the family of the late Joe Scumbag, BG. "But, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, he DISABLED A SAFETY MECHANISM ON HIS GUN! Just the sort of thing an evil-minded Rambo-type like this would do... make it easier for him to kill poor, innocent muggers like the late Mr. Scumbag! Don't let his evil behavior go unpunished!" Yeah, yeah... I can do without that hassle, thank you very much!
My big beef with a MDS is that if I've had to use my pistol the hard way, and am now holding the surviving BG's at gunpoint, I want the weapon to be in firing condition at all times. I'm probably going to reload, so as to have a fully-charged weapon. If the pistol is rendered inoperative during the magazine change, even if only for a second or two, according to Murphy's Law, that's when the BG's will try something! No, thank you very much, I will not own a pistol with a MDS...
I'm a bit annoyed about this because it removes some really nice pistols from my inventory (e.g. Browning Hi-Power, all the Smiths, etc.). Yes, they can be modified to remove the MDS, but if one removes a "safety" feature from a weapon and then uses it in self-defence, you can be sure that Ima Shark, ambulance-chaser, will use that fact against you in court when he sues on behalf of the family of the late Joe Scumbag, BG. "But, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, he DISABLED A SAFETY MECHANISM ON HIS GUN! Just the sort of thing an evil-minded Rambo-type like this would do... make it easier for him to kill poor, innocent muggers like the late Mr. Scumbag! Don't let his evil behavior go unpunished!" Yeah, yeah...
I can do without that hassle, thank you very much!10-Ring
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NO NO 
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NO and NO Spackler
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I've always carried Smith autos. The magazine disconnect doesn't bother me at all.
Bob A
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I agree that in a weapon retention situation, if your pistol has a magazine disconnect safety (MDS) and you feel you may lose control of it to the BG struggling with you, hitting the magazine release and dumping the magazine will make the gun safe and may prevent you getting shot.
What this leaves off is shot... with your own gun. This seems like an ideal safety for a cop, but it seems to me that if you are aware that you are about to lose control of the weapon, you could do something other than eject the mag, but I can see a practical use for the cops. They let the BG have the useless gun and draw the backup weapon.
However, I've always thought that any moderately knowledgeable BG would simply bend down, pick up the magazine, insert it, and...
No gonna happen in a fight. That's the whole idea.
What this leaves off is shot... with your own gun. This seems like an ideal safety for a cop, but it seems to me that if you are aware that you are about to lose control of the weapon, you could do something other than eject the mag, but I can see a practical use for the cops. They let the BG have the useless gun and draw the backup weapon.
However, I've always thought that any moderately knowledgeable BG would simply bend down, pick up the magazine, insert it, and...
No gonna happen in a fight. That's the whole idea.
Hkmp5sd
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If you want the ability to disable the gun, instead of getting a gun that disconnects and thus locks you into that mode, get a gun without a magazine disconnect and then change your training a little.
If you are grappling with a BG that is trying to take your pistol, drop the magazine just like you would with the S&W and if you are actually losing the gun, pull the trigger (assuming it's not pointed at you at that time). Now your gun is not capable of shooting you should he get it away from you. If by chance after dropping the magazine you regain complete control, you still have one round to use.
If you are grappling with a BG that is trying to take your pistol, drop the magazine just like you would with the S&W and if you are actually losing the gun, pull the trigger (assuming it's not pointed at you at that time). Now your gun is not capable of shooting you should he get it away from you. If by chance after dropping the magazine you regain complete control, you still have one round to use.
Flash Hole
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No
An anser to a problem that does not exists.
JOHN
An anser to a problem that does not exists.
JOHN
isaidme
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My line of thinking is a home defense situation in which it is completely dark and you cant tell where the BG is.If I am rushed on from a dirrection other then strait on and there is a strugle over the pistol I want to be able to dump the mag and then take my chances with hand to hand!Thats just me though.
NJ3
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My S&W 422 has one, and I don't like them.
JPM70535
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As a rule I like the MDS on Smith autos. I never gave any thought to the possibility that if a BG got control of my weapon in a struggle, I could disable it by ejecting the magazine. I liked the MDS because I could safely hand my pistol to another trooper or other person if the occasion arose and be sure of no NDs without having to clear the chamber. If the SHTF , Murphys Law, all I had to do was reinsert the mag and go.
I dont miss the absence of an MDS on other autos, but I am a lot more careful about clearing the weapon before I release it from my control. I guess it all depends on what I carry.
I dont miss the absence of an MDS on other autos, but I am a lot more careful about clearing the weapon before I release it from my control. I guess it all depends on what I carry.
No! No! No!
Magazine disconnects introduce another element that can cause weapon failure. Should a magazine become lost or damaged, the weapon becomes useless.
In an emergency, one could single-feed a round (with magazine absent) and still fire the pistol. S&W 1076s that were sold to the FBI had this feature removed by Government specification.
Though it originated as a well-intended safety feature, the magazine disconnect is best relegated to oblivion, where it belongs. The grip safety, while it won't disable your pistol, is a similar concept that is better replaced with newer safety features (notably firing pin blocking devices).
Magazine disconnects introduce another element that can cause weapon failure. Should a magazine become lost or damaged, the weapon becomes useless.
In an emergency, one could single-feed a round (with magazine absent) and still fire the pistol. S&W 1076s that were sold to the FBI had this feature removed by Government specification.
Though it originated as a well-intended safety feature, the magazine disconnect is best relegated to oblivion, where it belongs. The grip safety, while it won't disable your pistol, is a similar concept that is better replaced with newer safety features (notably firing pin blocking devices).
cratz2
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No way, no how. If I pull the trigger with a round in the chamber, any gun should go BANG!
Jeff OTMG
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All my disconnects are disconnected.
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