Magpul CTR vs MOE (maybe vs ACR) stock

[wojownik]

I'm not much one for tacticoolery, but I'm considering replacing the standard stock on my M-4gery with something a bit more ergonomic/comfortable, and leading candidates are the Magpul CTR and MOE (commercial versions).

Any opinions on the Magpul CTR vs. MOE? What are the differences between to two (they look pretty much the same to me). Better cheek weld on one maybe?

I just can't seem to make up my mind about the ACS stock, any thoughts on that version? Looks a bit bulky and longer than the the CTR or MOE. Might be too cool for a curmudgeon like me

Thanks!

 

[RockyMtnTactical]

The CTR is rock solid, the MOE doesn't have a friction lock like the CTR does. The CTR also has a spot for a quick detach sling mount whereas the MOE does not.

Both are still an upgrade over the standard stock though.

I don't care for the ACS all that much. Too bulky and heavy.

 

[rygould]

Ditto to RockyMtn!

I much prefer the CTR to the MOE. Not that the MOE is not a great stock, but the friction lock works and takes any play out of the stock.

I don't know if the locking mechanism and the sling mount are worth the difference between the price of the MOE and CTR, but I have found it to work well.

Vltor Emod stocks are also something to consider if you are already in the $100ish price range for a stock. They are solid and give a great cheek weld. I use them on what I don't already have a CTR stock on.

 

[Wahoo95]

I have all three and I'll say get the CTR if you wanna spend the ectra monry for a rock solid fit and QD mount. If those aren't big issues for you just get the MOE....you'll like either. One nice ting about the MOE is that it comes with a rubber buttpad. The ACS I have on a rifle I use more for bench shooting. It is a little longer and more bulky than the others. Best place to get any of them is the the Equipment Exchange on any of the popular boards. CTR's can normally be had for around $80 and MOE's for around $45.

 

[MetalHead]

I love my CTR, when it's locked down you forget you are shooting an adjustable stock, including for me a good and comfortable cheekweld, something that never happened with the cheepies. It would be a nobrainer choice for a rifle used to train new, smaller shooters. Just eat mac-n-cheeze stead of goin to appelbees for a week, you will be glad you did.

Should have a MOE by the end of the month for a lightest weight project.

 

[Rokman]

I have two of the CTR stocks and i really like them. They are solid. Don't know about the MOE.

 

[wojownik]

Thanks one and all for some great info. The CTR it will be, then, and will probably be the most rock solid thing on my Bushmaster Patrolman.

The original bushmaster stock is way too loose for my comfort, so the CTR will be a welcome change.

 

[dscottw88]

The MOE really is an improvement over the standard M4 stock; It has less play too. The CTR stock has even less play if any at all over the MOE stock, and is worth the extra $30 IMO. I don't like the ACS stock tho, some may like the cheek weld but it feels fat and unnatural to me. I think the CTR is the best of the three.

 

[Frankl03]

CTR is all I use on my ARs! I even put one a Sig 556! Great stock!

 

[noob_shooter]

not worth the extra $50 for just a little improvement..

 

[Nosidda Zneas]

what about a ubr?

 

[Uncle Mike]

And if the UBR is too costly, try the new Ergo F93, it is a generic Magpul UBR.

We are doing a build that the customer speced one of these, I'll let yall know how they are.

At half the price of the UBR, even though the F93 is a 'heavy' stock, it can't be all that bad.

 

[wojownik]

Uncle Mike - will these be available for mil spec and commercial builds?

I just ordered the CTR for a commercial build, but the F93 looks like it would have been worthy of consideration.

When I handled a UBR, it just seemed too big and bulky for what I'm looking to with my m4gery. It threw the rifles balance off (at least for me), so I'm leaning towards the lighter stock replacement.

 

[Uncle Mike]

Uncle Mike - will these be available for mil spec and commercial builds?

The Receiver Extension (Buffer Tube) is molded into the stock itself. In other words it will be neither Mil-Spec or Commercial, as to speak.

The threads on both Mil-Spec and Commercial Receiver Extensions, for all practical purposes are the same.

The Ergo unit comes just like you see it in the above post, with the Buffer Tube already married to the stock, the tube is not removable, and you cannot get the stock without its integral buffer tube.

It is all one big happy unit!

 

[1KPerDay]

Stupid question: would the Colt SP-1 use a mil-spec or a commercial stock?

 

[kwelz]

Uncle Mike,
That looks like a ripoff of Magpuls old design which is a good stock, but I don't think I would trust a molded RE.

 

[leadcounsel]

For $50 the CTR is a fast and easy significant upgrade in the comfort of the AR15/M4. Literally changes the feel of the weapon. The CTR and MOE are nearly the same, but I think the MOE has an extra 'lock' to lock it in place. Unnecessary IMO. The CTR is solid and locks with no wiggles like the standard stock; and it has a larger shoulder base.

Another cheap $30 and easy upgrade is to replace the pistol grip with an ergo grip. These two changes make the weapon feel so much better.

 

[Uncle Mike]

Uncle Mike,
That looks like a ripoff of Magpuls old design which is a good stock, but I don't think I would trust a molded RE

It is the 'old' Magpul design, but it is not a 'ripoff' of the design, but a 'agreement' between Falcon Industries and Magpul. I believe Falcon purchased the rights to the F93...or something like that.

Why the concern with a molded into the stock receiver extension...? Molded in or not, the function and or failures are going to be the same.

 

[Uncle Mike]

Well, I had a chance to do some with this 'new' stock.
The first thing you'll notice is that the material used, while very strong, is somewhat heavy.

Also, one can tell where exactly the 'cost cutting' was done, like in the finishing of the product, you'll get quite a few pokes and prods from it.

As for the functionality of the stock, it was excellent to say the least, the levers work well, no play or slop is in the stock, and when you ;lock' it down with the locking lever it is as solid as any A2 or fixed type stock.

The comb is comfortable and the butt end will stay put, almost too well! You don't want to shoot it with just a t-shirt on as the grooves on the butt section will give you a bite!

The only problem I can see with this thing, is the lower portion of the butt section is an additional piece added to the upper section and held together with fairly heavy aluminum clamps and dovetail grooving.
I wonder if it will hold up to too many smacks against haji helmets in the red zone?

The talk from Ergo was that in the future, there may be different lower butt sections such as the wonderful 'Duo Stock'.www.duostock.com/site/

All I can say is, for the money, if your fancy is a 'non-moving' comb, such as the Magpul URB stock, and you don't want to fork out the big coin for a stock such as the Magpul UBR, then this might be the stock for you.
I would recommend it.

 

[wojownik]

My Magpul CTR stock arrived today, and a slipped it on my Bushmaster M4gery when I got home from work. You guys were right - the fit is perfect, much better than the wobbly Bushmaster retractable stock. Feels great to the shoulder, cheek weld is very comfortable, and gives me a much better sight alignment through both the Eotech and the BUIS. Can't wait to bring this to the range.

 

[MetalHead]

Hope you get many happy years of service from it.

 

[RockyMtnTactical]

For $50 the CTR is a fast and easy significant upgrade in the comfort of the AR15/M4. Literally changes the feel of the weapon. The CTR and MOE are nearly the same, but I think the MOE has an extra 'lock' to lock it in place. Unnecessary IMO. The CTR is solid and locks with no wiggles like the standard stock; and it has a larger shoulder base.

I think you have the MOE and the CTR mixed up.

 

[Rokman]

Wojonik, I am happy that you like your CTR. I think it is a good buy. I have the UBR stock that I bought at a reduced price of $200 and it is nice and solid, but I like my CTR stocks as well at a way lower cost. At least I am glad that I did not spend upwards of $250 for the UBR.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

The F93 is a copy of the older Magpul M93B (which is what the UBR replaced).

I have the original Magpul M93 and it is a good stock design, though if you think the UBR is bulky and/or heavy, then the M93 is definitely not for you as it is bulkier and only slightly less heavy.

It seems the major innovation that Falcon has made to the M93 is to replace the shim and clamp method of attachment for the M93 with a standard AR15 castle nut - which is probably a nice improvement. The shim and clamp was a pain to both install and uninstall.

The only problem I can see with this thing, is the lower portion of the butt section is an additional piece added to the upper section and held together with fairly heavy aluminum clamps and dovetail grooving.

In the original M93 concept, the stock was going to be modular and you could add different "tail ends" to the stock with different storage. Magpul basically abandoned the modularity idea and never introduced any accessories. They also added the aluminium bracket reinforcements after customers had broken off the tail end while doing mortar clearances with the stock. However, it is not a dainty stock. It was briefly used by the Marines attached to SOCOM (You can find articles and pictures by Pat Rogers in old issues of SWAT) and I know at least one guy who smashed in a wooden door with one in Afghanistan.

Whether the F93 is quite as rugged, I couldn't say.

I like the CTR for lightweight, basic rigs with a good balance. For rigs with a lot of weight out front (suppressors, rails, etc.), I like the UBR because the extra heft helps provide a counterbalance and give the rifle a good overall balance. I also like the UBR for cheek weld better; but at the length I run the stock most of the time, it is really not that big a difference.

 

[.zerocool.]

Hey guys, I know this is sorta necroposting, and many forums get a little butthurt about it, even if it was within a year the post was made, but o well. This is a good thread and a good read. I figured I'd add in my 2 cents as a first post.

I just picked up a milspec ctr stock and I figured I'd add a few things about it.

The pros.
-No side to side or twisting wobble.
-The lock really clamps it down. Something you don't see on an "oem" m4 collapsable stock.
-Price. Really, 70-100 depending on where you buy it from is no biggy. If you can't afford 100$, maybe you should be looking toward the ak side of things as m4's generally eat money like a big block chevy eats gas.


Cons.
-there is some vertical slop... no matter the stock or buffer. If you have none... you were one of the lucky ones that got a perfect stock (generally it's a stock that wasn't molded quite right that will not wobble due to the imperfections. Kinda seems ironic don't it.
-Price. Not good for those "cheap arses" who want everything for flea market prices.
-Not worth mounting to a "Chinese cheepy" as I call it, buffer tube. I'd only get a "Chinese Cheepy" buffer tube if I got a MOE stock, because well, mating **** with **** makes sense, but mating **** with a Ferrari doesn't.
-NOT as sturdy as a solid stock. Hate to say it but there is no collapsable stock on the market that will be. I'm actually iffy on putting my milspec ctr on my ar in place of the carbine ace skeleton I have on there now. Guess I won't be staking the castle nut after all, as I may just go back to the ACE if I don't like this. The feel and ergonomics of the ctr are much better than the ace, but in a breaching / self defense situation, I doubt the ctr will be worth a damn. Especially since it has a rubber (or if you take the rubber off, then a plastic) butt end to it, which won't hurt or impact like the steel of an ACE will.


Now the pro's and con's are done (add more if you wish, this thread is good!, and it brought me to this site after all), I feel that I should mention that if someone is using this thread for info and they have a solid stock, you NEED to stake your castle nut when installing. Many many sites don't say this, and normally left out because people are too caught up in the coolness of all these new accessories for the ar. By staking I mean putting a post, pin, set screw, nail, or whatever you want btw the receiver end plate and the castle nut. This stops the castle nut from unscrewing, but also makes it a pita to remove the buffer tube if you don't like it. (set screws ftmfw!)


Last off... that ergo stock that was brought up towards the end of this thread. The reason magpul discontinued it was because the stock was literally shearing in half during impact. It was a defective design SO BEWARE. Rather than magpul eat the cost of the R&D and failure of a stock, they sold it to another company that didn't care about the many flaws it had. Sooo in other words your basically buying something magpul noted as an utter failure and pawned off on some other company (reminds me of all the "Lemon" vehicles around which people sell the problem off to someone else).

Anyways, I'm going to enjoy digging through this site and all it has to offer. YA'LL seem like decent folk and I'd be happy to contribute any way I can, especially if it's ar-57 or any of the "off" calibers for the AR platform.

Cheers! .ZeroCool. (bringing back "hackers" one day at a time ))