MagSafe; Yay or Nay?

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Hi guys . I'm new here .
I've tested magsafe in .25acp , .38 in both the defender & max load 9mm agent load ( very very hard to find ) & mini glock , 45acp super swat & defender and my friend shot steel plates in 40 S&W Mini-Glock and 357 sig ( I forget which one ) .
I'd say I've spent a few hundred bucks testing and rotating my stock . Now don't get me wrong , I've used it sparingly due to the cost , but since 1990 I'd say 3-5 packs in each caliber would be fair . Once it did what I was looking for I became satified . I use the same one round in the pipe until the head becomes loose from chambering , then I usually shoot it through old body armor
for the fun of it .
 
Black Talons happen to be the crappest rounds I ever bought . Pure hype . JUNK . They renamed them for sale after colon fergerson shot those poor unarmed people on the long island rail road . Most of his victims survived .
 
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Black Talons were one of the first "high tech" hollowpoints and as such should have the same reputation as Hydra-Shoks.
 
to reply to lawofthirds

You've got some huge words there .
As for what you call "A composite projectile " , let me say that these rounds are largely marine epoxy ( stronger than steel pound for pound) with some lead shot . Joe Zambone improved on the not so great "Glaser Safety Slug " ...
Most hollow points fail to open ( I was trained to hunt at 8 or 9 yrs old . My Grandfather had a farm ) including magsafe . All I'm telling you is that my personal experance is that fast is good and this ammo recks it's targets . Why not Try it yourself instead of using big words with no experance ?
 
dangerous game

Look at the balistic table for 375 H&H magnum which is ( or was ) the entry level cartridge for dangerous game . It's hardly the bowling ball you decsribe and
we're talking defensive pistol rounds here , not big bore dangerous game rifle cartridges . Big difference .
I happen to prefer SS109 for .223 . I'm well aware of AP rounds .
This has nothing to do with the magsafe topic .
-Dave
ps ; I only joined this site because I saw what you were saying about Magsafe and I knew you never tested it ...http://www.thehighroad.org/images/smilies/fce32f95.gif
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magsafe ammo

If you test only a few rds , you'll be won over .
This is all I carry . Dont forget , you can always stagger
these everyother in a mag ...
 
magsafe

99.999% of tungsten use is in armor piercing rifle ammo .
Can you name a single pistol manufacture ( which is what we're talking about here ) that EVER used a tungsten core ??? If I had to bet the farm I'd quess maybe Hirtenberger .
Lets stay on the topic which is how magsafe pistol ammo performs . I don't need a science / history lesson at this time , respectfully .
I've shot this ammo . I wouldn't carry it if I didn't test it first .
In all fairness I too was skeptical . Being in law enforcement long long before FN's 5.7x28mm ammo was ever thought of I had to see 9mm pass through body armor like it wasn't even there . Did I mention the Point Blank shock plate forgot
it was there as well ? Back in the day it this terrority was reserved for the now banned teflon bullets which I never saw ... Here's the rule of thumb in my humble opion and knowledge ; 2000fps & over will defeat a level II vest .
Why is this important ? Because THE BAD GUYS WEAR THEM TOO ! This was the whole pretense for FN's 5.7x28mm PISTOL ammo and yes the civilan ball ammo does the trick ...
Next ?
 
sorry guys

ah but will your 230gr 45acp pass through kevlar ? NOOOOOOO ... and how does one explain what I've seen , which that a 9mm goes through a shock plate and 2 panels of NYCPD kevlar and 2 phone books ? It does so Because this is very HOTammo . Now when you factor that it's hot with 1/4 of the recoil one has to ask one self , is this worth it ? Worth $20 ? I think so .
 
Extreme Shock uses tungsten in their rounds.

http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/product_info.html&setup=1&cart_id=

They use it in a powder form bonded with a polymer. Oh and by the way, I'm not endorsing their rounds in any way, I think they're another hyped up failure.

Out of curiosity what are you backing your vests with?

Steel cored 9mm will punch through a IIA or B vest without a problem and will defeat most of the non-ceramic plates without a second thought. That's specifically AP ammo though.

The teflon covered rounds were hard bronze jacketed cones and so used the teflon to try to help with feeding and with a clean bore contact. The hard bronze and the shape is what gave those rounds the penetrative qualities, not the teflon.

I'm not trying to tell you to stop using the ammunition, obviously you believe that it's the best round available and you feel better by carrying it. I just don't think it's the right ammunition for me nor would I recommend it to anyone because quite frankly, I don't think it's a good round. It's expensive, yet it fails to do the two things that have been proven to provide stopping power. It leaves a very small permanent wound channel and it does not penetrate deep enough. While the lack of recoil is a big plus, I'd be wearing a couple braces of tasers if I wanted no recoil. Then I'd be a mall pirate.
 
agreed
cigardave= troll
What do you suppose Ranger T ammo is derived from? :rolleyes:


here's MagSafe's flyer from a few years back:
click the pic


what a load of rubbish....

Stick with proven JHP ammunition and you'll be OK
Magsafe may not function properly in your autoloader

my vote= NAY
 
Magsafe and a little on life ...

My logic is this ; if all typical conventional 9mm rds get stopped by 1 panel of level II kevlar without a shock plate and also are stopped with between 1-2 heavy phone books then a round that penetrates these mediums must be hotter .
I was going to test in ballistic gelatin until I saw what Kind & Knox wants to charge for that stuff . Being in L.E. I happened to have some old kevlar lying around and figured that this is what the bad guy would be wearing in front of him , not 2 feet of ballistic gelatin .
Magsafe HP feeds just like ball . If it doesn't they make it in ball as well .
Listen if you ask me if I believe Joe Zambone went to Switzerland and shot 3 or 400 goats I'd say no ... I tend to believe "The Stroudsburg Test" is a made up term similar to "Assault Weapon" , which I can't figure out , are not all weapons in a persons hands capable of assault ? Is a pencil an assault weapon ? How about if it's sticking out of someone's throat ? This is exactly why I go to the out door range and test stuff myself . When it comes to personal defense I trust no one . I happen to believe that the industry uses widecat cartridges to try and obsolete my guns thinking I'll just through them out and buy new ones ... I'm not saying that 40 S&W and 10mm don't hit hard as hell but up until 5 years ago I was able to buy military surplus 9mm , 45acp , .223 and .308 cheap and figured since these rounds killed countless people in battle they must work . I've never heard of a war fought with .357sig have you ? Here's a good example ; why do I want .357sig which moves at roughly 1700fps and costs double ( or triple of military surplus 9mm ) when I can get 2100fps of of magsafe AND go plinking with the cheap stuff ?
Before ammo skyrocked in price I belonged to 3 private ranges , competed in IDPA,IPSIC & the Glock Shoot , shooting around 25000 rds per year ( between rifle & pistol ) . So I'm not about to go out and buy new guns everytime a manufacturer comes out with a new cartridge . It's every manufacturer's wetdream to have exclusive rights on a cartridge . Think about it . Glock did it with the .45GAP and FN did it with the 5.7x28mm just to name a few off the top of my head . Now a customer has to buy each and every round from these companies for the next 10 years I'm guessing ( I'm not a patent attorney ) . What's happening to the American consumer is a disgrace . I remember people demonstrating in front of gas stations during the 70's due to the so called oil shortage ( which happened to get fixed for the next 25 years somehow ) . Why don't you see that today ? My guess is because kids are kept ignorant by their school systems today .
Free thinking is out the window . We believe what others tell us .
This is why I employ a non believer to buy a pack or 2 of magsafe , take it to your local outdoor range ( if you still have one , if not find a friend with a country house ) and go shoot it . Test it against some of you favorite defensive rounds in some cheap household items . If you can get your hands on some old kevlar all the better . See for yourself what this round will do . What have you got to loose , 15 or 20 bucks ? A bagle costs a dollar now ... If you think this is bad has anyone seen the price of car batteries ? I think they went up 20% yesterday ... So DON'T SELL YOUR GUNS WHATEVER YOU DO ...
- this message was brought to you by an American consumer of average intelengance which relies on spellcheck -
 
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