Makarov VS. Hi-Point

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>>and what are the Russians using now??...it's not the 9x18MM

Some fast, low weight stuff. Take a look:
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg25-e.htm at roughly 1400 fps, and http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg50-e.htm or http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg111-e.htm with some nasty-looking ammo at 1970 fps. Check out other guns on the left hand side of the site - some interesting reading there.
I take it, they are oriented mostly for a long range, armor defeating weapons. This is perfectly understandable as home defence handguns are illegal.
Cheers,
Pavel
 
Granted the Hi-Point isn't pretty or elegant, but mine has been utterly reliable and I've heard time and time again that the customer service it tops. They are the "working man's gun" and thank god they exist so that the less wealthy among us can exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.
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I've been hearing that a lot of people are buying Hi-Points for kit/truck guns, since they are relable and are cheap to replace if lost, damaged, or stoled.

This will also apply to Makarovs as well.

-Bill
 
and what are the Russians using now??...it's not the 9x18MM

The Makarov 9X18mm is very much alive and well in Russia. My in-laws live in Belarus, and we go to Russia and Makarov's are all you see as sidearms. i.e Police, Traffic Police, Para-Military Police, and all the other uniformed Policeman. It's what the Kremlin Guards/Policeman were also carrying. Certain Special Military Units use other pistols according to my father-in-law (retired Russian military).

I'd take the Makarov over the Hi-Point due to it's size and re-sell value (if either one has any or it matters).
 
The Star BM beats both hands down. Also the Bersa .380 would be a better choice if you could find one in your price range.

Why buy a Hi-Point or a Mak when you really don't have too?
 
Get a Makarov. Mine shoots everything I feed it and it is very accurate.

The Hi-Point is just too ugly to own. It's the only gun that makes a Glock look sexy.
 
Well I may go to Ron&Jo's tommorrow. Last time I went they had a used Makarov for sale w/ two mags. They also had a compact 9mm Hi-Point... And a Star BM9 w/ two mags...

-Bill
 
I have owned both a 9mm Hi-Point and a 9mm Makarov. I STILL own the Makarov. Makarovs are way better!
 
That is a choice between bad and worse.
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Pardon me, but the Mak isn't a bad handgun. Not at all. The Mak is a very good handgun and its accuracy can rival that of guns costing 8 times or more. Sure it's a crude little gun, but it is a very well made crude little gun.
I have a Mak. But I wouldn't have a Hi Point.
In fact, I love my Mak. It's an outstanding handgun and makes for a very suitable carry gun for CCW work. They are one of the best gun buys out there that you can get.
To snub your nose at a Mak is to admit you have little actual experience with one.
 
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They are one of the best gun buys out there that you can get.
To snub your nose at a Mak is to admit you have little actual experience with one."
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Without fail everyone that's shot my Makarovs have bought their own.
Several insisted I sell them the one they were shooting.
(then I had to buy two more to replace the one I lost :) )

I checked out a friend and his wife on a Makarov, to loan it to them for their TX CHL qualification.
The lady, almost a non shooter, cleaned house!!!
She beat every other shooter that day, except her husband, who also shot the Makarov.

What was really funny is the wise guy instructor/range owner was bad mouthing her Makarov and bragging on his tricked out 1911 45, which he loaned to a friend to qualify with.

My lady friend and her Makarov also out shot that guy and the instructor's tricked out jam-O-matic 45. :D

The lady insisted that gun was going to be her carry gun.
So I lost another Makarov. :rolleyes:
 
Woo-hoo!! Doin' the Mak-a-rena!! :)

Just traded a reloading press to my buddy for his Bulgarian Makarov. I believe it was unissued when he bought it, and he's put several hundred rounds through it (just enough to smooth out the trigger ;) ). This little pistola is ACCURATE! Dislikes: tiny sights, heel release, machining a bit crude here and there, and the trigger guard rubs the top of my middle finger knuckle with its sharp corners. These are far outweighed by the Mak's rugged steel construction, superb reliability, amazing accuracy, sleek looks, and Com Bloc cool factor.

It's Mak tonight! :D
 
Makarov. The caliber may not be as easy to come by and may not be as good of a fight stopper as .45 ACP but at least when I fire it, I'm going to be trust that it will go off. Comparing a Makarov top a Star is another option but the problem I have with the Star BM is spare parts should something ever break. I can got to Makarov.com and get a new firing pin, recoil spring, extractor or whatever part I need to keep my Mak up and running. How about Star? Where do you get replacement parts for it? Not flaming the Star pistol (thought a time or two about getting one) but I just don't know what the replacement parts situation is.
 
The Star BM beats both hands down. Also the Bersa .380 would be a better choice if you could find one in your price range.
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The only real advantage the Star has over the Mak is the cartridge it fires. Other than that I consider the brittle firing pin and lack of spare parts to be a major disadvantage. The Bersa is an excellent pistol w/better sights than the Mak but it does cost more (along w/parts & mags) for a less powerful cartridge.
Tomac
 
I almost brought a Star BM9. I didn't because I was worryed about getting replacement parts.

I do plan on getting a Makarov however.

-Bill
 
AND the Hi-Point comes with a Life Time Warrenty........Their customer service (from what I have read) is outstanding..
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On the other hand, a Mak is child's play to disassemble completely and you can buy new parts for next to nothing. That's IF one ever breaks which is very unlikely. My guess is that parts cost for the average Mak repair will be less than one way shipping to Hi-Point for warranty service. And my guess is that you'll be less likely to have to repair a Mak than to have a Hi-Point serviced.

There's a difference between inexpensive and cheap.
 
Other then a Mak or Bersa what is another inexpensive handgun?

-Bill
 
"Other then a Mak or Bersa what is another inexpensive handgun?"

The CZ-52 can be bought for less than $100. Aim Surplus has them. However, I would not carry it as its pretty big for CCW and shoots a very fast round that will penetrate lots of stuff. There are hollow-points available, so this may be alleviated. Some do carry it though, but it wouldn't be my first, second or third choice. I use mine as strictly a range gun.

A better choice may be a used CZ-83, Ruger semi-auto or revolver.
 
The CZ-52 can be bought for less than $100. Aim Surplus has them. However, I would not carry it as its pretty big for CCW and shoots a very fast round that will penetrate lots of stuff. There are hollow-points available, so this may be alleviated. Some do carry it though, but it wouldn't be my first, second or third choice. I use mine as strictly a range gun.
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I doubt that we will ever get CCW in IL any time soon. So any handgun I'll be getting will be for shooting at range or home defence.

I just checked Winchester's website. They do load Tokarev ammo. And I didn't know that .30 luger was still being loaded.

-Bill
 
an important point:
.30 Luger is not interchangeable with .30 Mauser/7.62x25mm Tokarev. The .30 Luger is shorter and would not chamber properly in a 7.62 Tok gun.

I love my CZ-52, but I wouldn't use one for any serious purpose due to the unreliability of the decocking safety - it is prone to acting as a trigger rather than a decocker.
 
".30 Luger is not interchangeable with .30 Mauser/7.62x25mm Tokarev."

True, the cartridge is not interchangeable, but the bullet is. I reload for .32 French Long (7.65). I use both .30 Luger and .30 Mauser bullets. I know this is not what you were saying, but just wanted to point that out.
 
Go with a Makarov.

The genius of the Mak is it's simple design. It only has 27 parts and is very reliable.

R/fiVe
Proud owner of a 1964 East German Makarov.
 
If you get the Mak, get a split key ring and loop it through the heel release (heard about this on makarov.com). Then all you have to do is pull the ring and the mag slides right out. Works like a charm for me.
 
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