Man robbed, shot outside California P.D.

[LWGN]

Restrictive gun laws didn't protect him. The police didn't protect him. CCW might have.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9871337?nclick_check=1

Man clings to life after being shot outside Palo Alto City Hall
By Joshua Molina
Mercury News
Article Launched: 07/13/2008 05:55:31 PM PDT

Palo Alto police are looking for a man who allegedly robbed and shot another man outside Palo Alto City Hall about 1:45 a.m. today.

Authorities said the victim is in his mid-20s and is in grave condition at Stanford Medical Center.

According to police, the victim and a few friends were parked in a car on the 600 block of Bryant Street waiting to pick up another friend after an evening of revelry at downtown bars.

The assailant then allegedly robbed the victim, who was standing outside the car, of some personal items and then shot him before fleeing the scene.

City hall is also home to the police department.

Authorities described that alleged shooter as a Pacific Islander, about 21 years old, wearing a black beanie cap, dark gloves and a black-hooded sweatshirt.

Police agent Dan Ryan said officials are reviewing surveillance footage from a nearby city parking garage to help with their investigation.

Anyone with information may call the police department at (650) 329-2413.

 

[SCKimberFan]

When seconds count...

 

[doc2rn]

Police agent Dan Ryan said officials are reviewing surveillance footage from a nearby city parking garage to help with their investigation.

And the local PD has none of these?

 

[Moonclip]

Doesn't surprise me, I was once driving by a police substation in Watts IIRC. Directly outside the PD was a soda machine that was accesable to the public, it loooked like it had been broken in to many times before!

 

[Standing Wolf]

The assailant then allegedly robbed the victim, who was standing outside the car, of some personal items and then shot him before fleeing the scene.

Well, yeah, but don't the leftist extremists tell the commoners we'll be safe if we cooperate?

 

[Old Grump]

Just what we need

More cameras will help protect this man how? Bad news but illustrates a point a lot of people make. If the police can't protect their own house than its not likely they can protect ours and 911 will never replace a gun in hand.

 

[TallPine]

I hate to say this, but I'm usually at home in bed at 1.45am instead of downtown being robbed and shot.

 

[Zangetsu]

I want to say this is a proverb I heard somewhere, but I might be making that up...anyway, it goes something like this, "The safest place in the jungle when the lion is out hunting is in her den." And really, just how many on duty police officers are typically at a station at any given hour? And I mean the patrol making, perp busting officers, not the pencil pushing desk jockies. I can remember laughing at my buddies back in highschool because whenever we drove by a police department, they would always slow down, even after I pointed out that the ones who are there aren't paying attention to what's going on outside, and chances are that there aren't many, if any squad cars going around the block. I feel like most of the time, around an actual station, the police mostly let their presence do the work, but as seen in this unfortunate case, that isn't always enough. The only way to really start preventing tragedies like this is to make the government realize that personal protection is a job best left to individuals; the government's job is delivering the mail and defending the shores.

 

[CRITGIT]

The fear of criminal prosecution, incarceration and even death aren't part of the thought process of the truly disturbed.
Lots of broken heads out there folks. It's time we check what's in the water because we're already the prison capital of the world!

CRITGIT

 

[MedWheeler]

CRITGIT wrote: >>>It's time we check what's in the water because we're already the prison capital of the world!<<<

I mentioned this to my wife, born and raised in the USSR, and she replied: "That's because your prisons aren't like Russian prisons." Smart lady.

 

[romma]

I hate to say this, but I'm usually at home in bed at 1.45am instead of downtown being robbed and shot.

Okay TallPine, but this is America, and if people want to go party, they should be able to.

Next the Nanny State will start having after dark curfews,,, You know, it's for our own good!

 

[FCFC]

... the victim and a few friends were parked in a car on the 600 block of Bryant Street waiting to pick up another friend after an evening of revelry at downtown bars.

I guess this means that the boys were drunk-O. Might have some bearing on what happened.

Restrictive gun laws didn't protect him. The police didn't protect him. CCW might have.

This is almost assuredly wrong.

If the boys were drunk-O, a gun (CCW) doesn't mix with that. It's dangerous for people to get drunk-O and carry a gun. Everybody knows that.

Therefore, CCW would probably not have saved them.

Unless of course, they decided to go CCW instead of getting drunk-O. But then, they wouldn't have been at that location to pick up the friend.

 

[glockman19]

"LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS NO OBLIGATION TO PROTECT any individual."

Warren v. DC

 

[Zangetsu]

Quote:
Restrictive gun laws didn't protect him. The police didn't protect him. CCW might have.

This is almost assuredly wrong.

From what I've read, there isn't enough information to make that claim. We can assume that at least one person in that care was sober (the driver) since they were there to pick someone up, so unless they were also driving while under the influence, someone in that car would have had a head clear enough to act should they have had the tools to do so. From the story, it sounds like the guy who got robbed was outside the car while the others were inside, so if the driver was packing, he easily could have drawn on the attacker without getting noticed since he and everyone else were inside the vehicle, and thus would have been a bit obscured from sight, especially at night. The attacker probably didn't even realize there were other people in the car, otherwise why wouldn't he have robbed them too? Would have been easy pickings.

 

[Geno]

One of my dearest friends was assaulted in the parking lot across from the Detroit Police Department about 12 months ago. Several police stood at the department, witnessing the entire event like deer-in-the-headlights. NOBODY ran to stop the attack until my friend stopped and dropped the would-be-carjacker with a Glock and a magazine full of .357 Sig. The entire event was caught on DPS's security video cameras.

So, if when the LEOs are standing 30 to 40 yards away can't get there in time to cover your rear-end, how much better can the reaction time be if you're 10 minutes out? I guess here is the point that I am trying to make: too many people walk around with a false-sense-of-security. Be ever vigilant, even if people say you're being paranoid.

BTW, my friend was never charged.

 

[FCFC]

One of my dearest friends was assaulted in the parking lot across from the Detroit Police Department about 12 months ago. Several police stood at the department, witnessing the entire event like deer-in-the-headlights. NOBODY ran to stop the attack until my friend stopped and dropped the would-be-carjacker with a Glock and a magazine full of .357 Sig. The entire event was caught on DPS's security video cameras.

So, if when the LEOs are standing 30 to 40 yards away can't get there in time to cover your rear-end...

How much time between the beginning of the assault and the shooting of the Glock? Which is to ask, how much time did the LEOs really have to react?

 

[Robert Hairless]

How much time between the beginning of the assault and the shooting of the Glock? Which is to ask, how much time did the LEOs really have to react?

Enough time for somebody to be seriously hurt, which I think was the point of that anecdote.

 

[FCFC]

From what I've read, there isn't enough information to make that claim. We can assume that at least one person in that care was sober (the driver) since they were there to pick someone up, so unless they were also driving while under the influence, someone in that car would have had a head clear enough to act should they have had the tools to do so.

So, the assumption is a) that the driver is not drinking, and b) the driver would be the one out of the group who CCWs.

You're making two big assumptions there....

The attacker probably didn't even realize there were other people in the car, otherwise why wouldn't he have robbed them too?

Hmm, another assumption. Even more customized than the first two...

There are, I'm sure, good examples of assaults in Cali where "CCW might have" protected the victim. This ain't one of them.

 

[Zedicus]

I mentioned this to my wife, born and raised in the USSR, and she replied: "That's because your prisons aren't like Russian prisons." Smart lady.

To True, Ours are more like Vacation Camps...

 

[jrfoxx]

So, the assumption is a) that the driver is not drinking, and b) the driver would be the one out of the group who CCWs.

You're making two big assumptions there....


Quote:
The attacker probably didn't even realize there were other people in the car, otherwise why wouldn't he have robbed them too?

Hmm, another assumption. Even more customized than the first two...

There are, I'm sure, good examples of assaults in Cali where "CCW might have" protected the victim. This ain't one of them.

and you are making equally large assumtions that ALL of them were drunk, and NONE on them would have been legally carrying if allowed to, AND that if one were sober, he couldnt be the one legally carrying. Be careful, your assumptions that a CCW would have done nothing is at least as big as the assumtion it would have made a difference.

Both scenarious are equally possible. I have been sobe MANY times, while driving others around who were not, AND I have legally been the one carrying a gun also. If I can pull it off, so can others.I'm have no specail abilities that allowed me to do it that no one else has.

 

[RP88]

I agree with the 'Russian Prison' comment. We need to take after Russia and stop being so sympathetic to our violent ones, especially since alot of our crime is caused by repeat offenders.

 

[Diggers]

Uh..what, like Russia doesn’t have street crime?

HA! They have plenty.

Besides, I've watched the shows on TV about our prisons and word "Vacation" is NOT one I would use to describe going there.

 

[thorn726]

Typical- The amount of CRimes commited within 2 blocks of most of the California PDs i've been around- massive.

I mean here in Berkeley the park across from the cops is a crack hangout.
In SF it is the same

 

[La Pistoletta]

Yet another example of why you can't view theft or robbery as "just" stealing and that therefore it is excessive to draw a gun. You never know. Someone who decided to become a criminal is irrational to begin with.

I don't know if it's a good idea to invoke Dirty Harry into this but do you really feel lucky enough to assume the criminal won't put you down like a maimed deer before taking off?

 

[Kino74]

Foreign prisons make anything in the US look like adult daycare especially far eastern and Eastern European prisons. Food is optional in many countries (ie if some one does not bring food for you, you do not eat that day) let alone having gyms, cable tv or my favorite watching a murderer play games on a playstation in jail. That does not happen overseas.