Man shoots motorcyclist in "self defense"
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I think you are confusing what I mean by "playing games with my life."
Cut me off, no problems. Fail to see me in your blind spot while entering my lane, no issues. Brake suddenly causing me to tense up a little bit, probably my fault for riding a bit close. These are the risks I assume with riding and accept them wholeheartedly. No ill-will when any of these instances occur and there never will be.
Now, when you want to be boy racer in your hopped up vehicle(Mustang, Civic, Powerstroke) and fly up on me and start flashing your beams, I'll get agitated. Trying to initiate a race by weaving in and out of lanes in my vicinity, I will get agitated. Cut me off, slow down and brake check me for no reason other than to play with a biker, I will get mad. Coming into my lane for no other reason than to slow me down as I pass slower moving traffic on the left, and I will get furious. Rev your motor at me, I'll leave the line slowly to let you know I'm not going to blow your doors off. Pace me and leave me with nowhere to go in the event something unexpected pops out in front of my vehicle and I'll let you know I'm pissed with a little verbal exchange at the next light.
These are the actions that anger me. People who intentionally want to mess around with you because you are on a bike. Not the instances of people oblivious to their surroundings and do something accidentally.
I feel a little offended with the questioning of my handling of firearms
hankdatank1362
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Yeah people deliberately putting you at risk vs. just being careless is a whole 'nother breed of stupid.
The biker was a hot-head too, and there was no excuse for his behavior.
Even IF the girls struck him first, rather than following them down the road trying to cut them off etc., he merely should've gotten their license number and contacted the police.
He thought he was going to be Mr. Tough Guy and follow the girls home, and there was no telling what he intended to do once he caught up with them. However, he found out the hard way that it's not too bright to follow people home when you don't know who and what is waiting at their home.
Based on the information available at this time, the father was WRONG to shoot. But it wasn't the biker's place to menace the girls and follow them home. You get a license number, then call the police and let them handle it.
Trying to take matters into your own hands like this biker did, isn't smart.
Even IF the girls struck him first, rather than following them down the road trying to cut them off etc., he merely should've gotten their license number and contacted the police.
He thought he was going to be Mr. Tough Guy and follow the girls home, and there was no telling what he intended to do once he caught up with them. However, he found out the hard way that it's not too bright to follow people home when you don't know who and what is waiting at their home.
Based on the information available at this time, the father was WRONG to shoot. But it wasn't the biker's place to menace the girls and follow them home. You get a license number, then call the police and let them handle it.
Trying to take matters into your own hands like this biker did, isn't smart.
ilcylic
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Mough ran into their car at one point
All right, all the grandstanding between the cagers and the riders aside, I ride a motorcycle, and I can't imagine intentionally running into a car that outweighs me by at minimum a factor of 5.
In the absence of other evidence, I'm going to call this a bad shoot.
All right, all the grandstanding between the cagers and the riders aside, I ride a motorcycle, and I can't imagine intentionally running into a car that outweighs me by at minimum a factor of 5.
In the absence of other evidence, I'm going to call this a bad shoot.
And how do you know the biker was menacing the girls? He could have easily just gotten in front of the vehicle safely and instructed the girls to pull off to exchange insurance information. When they decided not to and leave an accident he followed them home to exchange info until he saw the father brandishing a pistol and decided to just turn around and call it a day.
Just as easily a scenario as your assumption of the biker being a menace. I wonder how the opinions would differ if it were another automobile.
I wouldn't even want to ride into a curb...much less a 3500lb vehicle.
MachIVshooter
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I'm glad Gear is being charged with the murder he committed.
Now:
It seems you've forgotten how people can be.
I can't even tell you how many times I've been tailgated after passing, had someone try to accelerate so I couldn't pass (good luck with that), been flipped off, cursed at, etc, etc. If they're behind me, I let it go. If they try to ride my tire, I usually just go faster. Not always an option, though.
The instance that I speak of is after passing a guy (in a passing zone) who is going <40 in a 45 MPH zone on a two lane road. Guy then decides he actually can go 50-about 3 feet off my rear tire. I accelerate, he accelerates. We're now coming up on more traffic, so I can't keep going faster and I'm not about to take the non existant shoulder or pass a whole line of cars. He then passes me, cuts in front and jams on his brakes. How the hell is this my fault??? I pass the guy legally, he gets pissed off about it and tries to end me.
As for you people who get mad when a bike is going what you consider "too fast", too f'n. bad. You're not the police. You have no authority to intervene. You shouldn't even care; the bike is ahead of you now, and if he gets himself killed, that's his problem. Why is his speed any of your concern? A 25 year old on a brand new crotch rocket can react and stop in far less time from 100 MPH than the 86 year old man in his 1992 Oldsmobile at 45 MPH.
See above.
When motorist pull this kind of crap against a bike, it IS assault with a deadly weapon. They're lucky they get off with only some monetary loss.
As to some of the earlier posts here talking about hitting cars repeatedly with hammers, I can't find anywhere where any one of us threatened to do such a thing. If a cager has already tried to hurt me, I'm not gonna give him/her more opportunities by hanging out next to their car.
Those of you who speak of running over bikers or shooting them for yelling at you or damaging your car-notice how none of us riders have ever said we would draw and fire if a motorist did something that nearly got us killed or damaged our bikes.
On that note, I'm done here. People who don't ride will never understand.
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It seems you've forgotten how people can be.
I can't even tell you how many times I've been tailgated after passing, had someone try to accelerate so I couldn't pass (good luck with that), been flipped off, cursed at, etc, etc. If they're behind me, I let it go. If they try to ride my tire, I usually just go faster. Not always an option, though.
The instance that I speak of is after passing a guy (in a passing zone) who is going <40 in a 45 MPH zone on a two lane road. Guy then decides he actually can go 50-about 3 feet off my rear tire. I accelerate, he accelerates. We're now coming up on more traffic, so I can't keep going faster and I'm not about to take the non existant shoulder or pass a whole line of cars. He then passes me, cuts in front and jams on his brakes. How the hell is this my fault??? I pass the guy legally, he gets pissed off about it and tries to end me.
As for you people who get mad when a bike is going what you consider "too fast", too f'n. bad. You're not the police. You have no authority to intervene. You shouldn't even care; the bike is ahead of you now, and if he gets himself killed, that's his problem. Why is his speed any of your concern? A 25 year old on a brand new crotch rocket can react and stop in far less time from 100 MPH than the 86 year old man in his 1992 Oldsmobile at 45 MPH.
See above.
When motorist pull this kind of crap against a bike, it IS assault with a deadly weapon. They're lucky they get off with only some monetary loss.
As to some of the earlier posts here talking about hitting cars repeatedly with hammers, I can't find anywhere where any one of us threatened to do such a thing. If a cager has already tried to hurt me, I'm not gonna give him/her more opportunities by hanging out next to their car.
Those of you who speak of running over bikers or shooting them for yelling at you or damaging your car-notice how none of us riders have ever said we would draw and fire if a motorist did something that nearly got us killed or damaged our bikes.
On that note, I'm done here. People who don't ride will never understand.
Yeah sure, buddy.
If you think your scenario is believable, I've got some prime farmland in the middle of the Sahara desert that I'll sell you dirt cheap.
Just wanted to "exchange insurance info". That's rich!
I was run off the road in my van by a car one time. I got his license number, sat right where I was at, called the cops and filed a report. That's how it SHOULD be done.
The biker escalated the situation by following them home, when he only should have followed them long enough to get a license number. He then should've contacted the police.
There are a lot of bikers on the road in my area, and they're just and rude and sorry when it comes to driving as anybody else.
From the information thus far presented, the father was wrong to shoot. If he can't prove self-defense, he deserves prison.
But there's a lot of hot-headed wacko jackos out there these days, as evidenced by news reports around the nation. You have to use your head before following strangers to their homes, because you don't know what awaits there.
It's tragic and I'm sorry it happened, but the biker got shot due to his own blatant stupidity. To simply assume he was just a completely innocent little angel wanting insurance information, is pretty naive IMHO.
ctdonath
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Your daughters just called to say there's some violent freak following them home, and they're on their way now.
::donning Wizard of Oz lion outfit::
Cagers and bikers and box pilots, oh my!
Lemmee at 'em! Lemmee at 'em!
I'll twist their noses! I'll frazzle their fenders! I'll punch off their mirrors! I'll brake check 'em, I will! I'll ball peen their trunk lids and kick in their door panels!
I'll cut 'em off at the pass and flip 'em the bird! I will! I really will!
Lemmee at 'em! Lemmee at 'em!
::snort snort!::
::huff puff!::
Lemmee at 'em!
::crunch!:: <-- sound of Logitech mouse being crumpled by mighty and righteously enraged paw of Internet commando in lion costume
Cagers and bikers and box pilots, oh my!
Lemmee at 'em! Lemmee at 'em!
I'll twist their noses! I'll frazzle their fenders! I'll punch off their mirrors! I'll brake check 'em, I will! I'll ball peen their trunk lids and kick in their door panels!
I'll cut 'em off at the pass and flip 'em the bird! I will! I really will!
Lemmee at 'em! Lemmee at 'em!
::snort snort!::
::huff puff!::
Lemmee at 'em!
::crunch!:: <-- sound of Logitech mouse being crumpled by mighty and righteously enraged paw of Internet commando in lion costume
That was very funny. Thanks, that made my night.
Why didn't these girls just call 911? It sure would have saved everyone a lot of grief.
I had a macho jerk follow me for about 10 miles once flashing his brights on and off. I had gotten on to a two lane highway from an entrance ramp and traffic was literally stopped, so I edged my car in ahead of this guy and I guess it ticked him off. Anyway, as he was following me I decided I didn't want to go anywhere near my house so I just drove to police headquarters. When I got close to police headquarters, the guy figured out where I was going and drove away. This was a long time ago - BC (before cellphones).
ASM826
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Meef,
This post probably needs to be closed, but until that happens, Logitech mouse?
When I put on my lion suit, I use a trackball, a big manly ergonomic ball that I drive with a thumb. It's faster, more accurate, and resists crunching in my mighty paw.
This post probably needs to be closed, but until that happens, Logitech mouse?
When I put on my lion suit, I use a trackball, a big manly ergonomic ball that I drive with a thumb. It's faster, more accurate, and resists crunching in my mighty paw.
cassandrasdaddy
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i can only judge the dead guys behavior using my own at that age as a benchmark. and that leaves the bar real low.i was lucky to live. shame we'll never really know what happened.
DoubleTapDrew
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Trackballs are for CAD designers and hopeless fans of the game "missle command" 
Except the teens
siglite
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Ok. I've only read three pages of this trainwreck. And I'm going to summarize what I've read so far and get out of this thread.
What I see is THR members justifying vandalism and the killing of human beings over traffic crap. People in cages in this thread seem to be looking for reasons to kill human beings on motorcycles. People on bikes seem to be looking for reasons to vandalize property. Enough people are rationalizing conflict escalation in this thread, that as a rider, a shooter, and a driver, I find it completely disgusting.
That people would damage/destroy property over a traffic incident is disgusting.
That people would kill another human over a broken mirror is disgusting.
This is the most disturbing thread I've ever read on THR.
What I see is THR members justifying vandalism and the killing of human beings over traffic crap. People in cages in this thread seem to be looking for reasons to kill human beings on motorcycles. People on bikes seem to be looking for reasons to vandalize property. Enough people are rationalizing conflict escalation in this thread, that as a rider, a shooter, and a driver, I find it completely disgusting.
That people would damage/destroy property over a traffic incident is disgusting.
That people would kill another human over a broken mirror is disgusting.
This is the most disturbing thread I've ever read on THR.
rainbowbob
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True that!!!...How have the mods allowed it to go on this far when we've seen other threads that were much less offensive locked down after a few posts? Hello? Anybody home?
bloodedsky
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I strongly suspect there was physical contact between the motorcycle and the car; and that the motorcyclist followed the car home, only to be subsequently shot by a man holding a gun.
In other words, that's all we'll ever know of the story, everyone. Because one of the key players is dead. This BS about attacking drivers / motorcyclists / men wearing duck-themed clothing is immature. Whether or not he deserved it, that man lost his life. He'll never again eat his favorite food, or learn something new, or enjoy a good night's sleep. Because he is DEAD. Not one person on this forum has the right to say whether or not he deserved his fate.
The only thing we can surmise from this story is that the old saw is true: Guns don't kill people; people do.
BTW - I think the Mods enjoy toying with us, their hapless prey. *rawr*
In other words, that's all we'll ever know of the story, everyone. Because one of the key players is dead. This BS about attacking drivers / motorcyclists / men wearing duck-themed clothing is immature. Whether or not he deserved it, that man lost his life. He'll never again eat his favorite food, or learn something new, or enjoy a good night's sleep. Because he is DEAD. Not one person on this forum has the right to say whether or not he deserved his fate.
The only thing we can surmise from this story is that the old saw is true: Guns don't kill people; people do.
BTW - I think the Mods enjoy toying with us, their hapless prey. *rawr*
cpttango30
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Try riding in the DC area. I do not ride right now. But I understand the frustrations of bikers when these flippin people can not take the time to use blinkers or caution. Heaven forbit if we put down the cig, coffee, phone, and news paper while we drive. I can't count high enough that I amlost get hit each day on the way to school just 15 miles from the house. I have been cut off for no reason other than to get one car ahead in the pack to get on the highway and get passed everyone because you are doing 55 in a 65.
99% of teen drivers suck to begin with, so who nows who was in the wrong. None of us do.
99% of teen drivers suck to begin with, so who nows who was in the wrong. None of us do.
Wineoceros
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It's funny. The less information some people have about something, the more they think they actually *know* about it.
cassandrasdaddy
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you know whats funny i see a parallel in the us versus them thinking here and in the i hate cops threads. some of the same players lining up
bikers get a lil nervous after riding around with what feels like a bullseye on em
bikers get a lil nervous after riding around with what feels like a bullseye on em
It's funny, here are the facts that I've been able to glean from this thread:
Many bikers immediately stand for the defense of fellow Bikers.
Many bikers are scary people who think property damage is the way to deal with people's mistakes.
Many car drivers think all Bikers are hot-headed psychopaths.
Many gun owners look for ways to explain this as a good shoot. Many bikers try to say the guy was innocent as an angel.
Now, as for the killing? I got nothing except a guy followed two teenage girls and is now dead, shot by their father.
I know nothing about whether it was justified or murder from reading this whole thread.
Woohoo!
Many bikers immediately stand for the defense of fellow Bikers.
Many bikers are scary people who think property damage is the way to deal with people's mistakes.
Many car drivers think all Bikers are hot-headed psychopaths.
Many gun owners look for ways to explain this as a good shoot. Many bikers try to say the guy was innocent as an angel.
Now, as for the killing? I got nothing except a guy followed two teenage girls and is now dead, shot by their father.
I know nothing about whether it was justified or murder from reading this whole thread.
Woohoo!
Joe Demko
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You know what's true about pissing contests? The contestants never end up covering themselves with glory.
fletcher
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I had two feelings from this thread - 1) An anti would LOVE to see this kind of talk from gun owners, and 2) It's like 9mm vs. 45 debates with regards to absurdity.
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