Man shoots motorcyclist in "self defense"

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i'm on the side of those who think that the girls probably changed lanes into this guy or cut him off causing the rider to make contact w/ the vehicle. riders don't purposely run into vehicles to make a point. thats a sure way to eat pavement. two young girls in an SUV is often a recipe for an accident waiting to happen. i'll withhold final judgment until all the facts are in but i highly doubt the girls' story. and the dad was just retarded for his actions and belongs behind bars.

Bobby
 
does "slpitting the lane" lead to "punching the mirror"

I think this is what gets under the car driver's skin the most, you're stuck in traffic and the bikes can keep on moving. It's only legal in CA afaik.I've seen people move over so that the bikes can't get through.I've also seen people open their car doors, now I'm sorry but that's intentional and deserves a "Talkin to".
 
So Daddy fired "two or three times" hitting the rider once in the back. Wonder where the other rounds went, or if Daddy cared where they went...

Jeff
 
Car drivers VS Bike drivers

It's funny that a car driver would be angry that a biker passes traffic on the right during traffic.I don't get mad at car drivers because they have air conditioning in traffic on hot days.What an angry world we live in.
 
The allegations that the shooter shot at a group of teens in 2006 cast this story in a different light for me. If those are true, it shows a pattern of irresponsible behavior on his part.

The whole truth is not out yet, but I'm finding it hard to believe this was a legitimate self defense shooting.
 
ckay and machIVshooter

I hope thats not the same attitude you take towards
owning and handling your firearms.

As a person who is Knowlegeable in Motorcycles and licensed,
Following a car or truck to close on one is not a good choice.
 
After reading the first few flames in this thread about Cars vs Bikes - I can't believe it has grown to over 100 posts without being locked. It's pretty scary to think that people with guns and motor vehicles are out there with all this homicidal anger. Sigh...I guess you can just have it boys!
 
some of the kids today are idiots. getting angry from being flipped off then following 2 girls home isn't bright. and making a second pass especially on a guy with a gun...
You don't know that he saw the gun.

...invokes darwin
While shooting someone - who has presented no immediate threat to you or anyone else - in the back is sheer genius.

No, we don't have all the facts, but we can certainly engage in some reasonable speculation with a fair degree of confidence. Dad is a belligerant idiot who displays monumentally piss-poor judgment...and the nuts don't fall far from the tree.

And, I used to ride myself. But I was never dumb enough to think that kicking car doors and punching mirrors was ever going to accomplish anything other than quite possibly getting myself killed, no matter how much I thought someone deserved some vehicular damage.
 
Map of the event.

I lived just off the center of that main road. Would have taken them about 10 minutes to make the nearly 7-mile trip, with significant traffic & lights. The biker had to be pretty cheesed off to take the trouble to follow them that far - plenty of time to memorize their plate and end the chase.

I'm sure all parties share guilt. I'm also sure that if my daughter called saying "some wierdo has been following me for miles, he's mad, and I'm scared! I'm coming home! Help!" I'd be out front with a Persuader waiting for the parties to arrive.

BTW: "cagers"? "box pilots"? ya really need to insult the majority of drivers?

It's funny that a car driver would be angry that a biker passes traffic on the right during traffic.
Let's start with the idea that what is presumably being described (passing on shoulders, riding the line between lanes, etc.) is illegal ... better yet, let's not discuss it.
 
ctdonath

"Cager" and "box pilot" aren't insults so much as slang terms to identify car drivers. Much like OTR truck drivers refer to them as "four wheelers"

"Cager" is more a term of sympathy for you in all honesty. Your spending your time in a cage - I'm not :)

Believe me - we use a LOT more descriptive terms when we feel the need to um...express our "appreciation" for the driving skills of some (many) of the cagers out there.

BTW - lane splitting is not necessarily illegal. In some states it is explicitly legal. If I have to pass someone on the shoulder, its likely because that someone wasn't paying a damn bit of attention when he changed lanes into the spot i was occupying.

As I said earlier, i suspect in this case the biker got hit as the twit changed lanes.
 
For those of you that don't ride You will never know what it is like to be on 2 wheels and come face to face with death, Because some idiot Don't pay attention. Yup I have Kicked a few doors And slapped some mirrors. When riding it is important to know your sourrounding's and stay out of stickey situation's. AND DONT PUT YOUR SELF IN DANGER! I am not saying Biker's Own the Road But we have just as much right on the road as cars or truck's ETC. and i can't say whos fault it is I do know you shoot a man in the back it's called FIRST DEGREE MURDER = (COWARD) When the victim shows no threat...Why Dont the police shoot people when they are running on foot from them? BECAUSE THERE BACK IS TOO THEM AND THEY ARE NOT A THREAT TO THEM UNTILL THEY FACE THE OFFICER TO HAVE A FACE TOO FACE CONFERTATION! AT THAT POINT THE OFFICER USES HIS BEST JUDGEMENT!!! I own a CCW permit and what they teach you in a CCW class is the same thing they teach officers...IN THAT SITUATION I WOULD HAVE NEVER EVEN BROUGHT A GUN OUT OF MY HOUSE,,, I SAY FRY THE BAST##D FOR SHOOTING LIKE HE WAS BILLY THE KID! ! ! !:cuss:
 
Posted by Sans Authoritas
This sounds like a case where all parties did some very stupid things.

I believe we can all agree on that. :D Both the biker and the dad sound like hotheads.

Unfortunately, the biker is unable to give his side of the story.

However, that in itself does not mean the girls are lying. They could be telling the truth.

Unless more information is released to the public, we can only conjecture as to what exactly happened.
 
Maybe it will all work out for the best in the end.

It is quite possible both the rider and the father were 'bad' people with very poor judgement. It appears that neither will be part of society for a very long time allowing the rest of us to go about our daily lives. I would not want to live near either one of them.


It is sad though that this situation and end result had sooooo many ways to be avoided. All the parties could have taken so many different steps to avoid this.
 
I must take exception with those who take the view that if you have, or have had, a close call or have been down on a bike then you must have been doing something wrong - i.e. not paying attention, not allowing sufficient room to manuever, travelling too fast, etc. None of which are necessarily true. I have always ridden as though I were invisible, allowed a generous space cushion whenever and wherever possible (in cities it is next to impossible given the narrow confines and heavy traffic) and avoided excessive speed and yet I've been down. Gone is my naive assumption that with caution and good judgment you'll spend your entire riding career upright, because as my MSF instructor told us on the day we passed the course, it's not a question of if you'll ever go down, it's when and how. May everyone ride safe and should you go down may you get up and walk away. :)

Anyway, back on topic...I may have missed it, but does anyone know the Georgia statues for self-defense? Did the father have a concealed permit? I certainly hope not, as the anti's would milk that for all the mileage they could get. God knows they've been ferverently praying for some permit holder to shoot a neighbor over dog urine or a traffic dispute so they can further their claims of the wild, wild west.
 
Mough, 21, drove past the house, turned around and made another pass. Gear fired his .40-caliber semiautomatic gun two or three times, hitting Mough once in the back, Berry said.

"He made an unspecified claim of self-defense," Berry said.

Tempers flared as the drivers headed west toward Bogart.

Gear's daughters told investigators Mough cut them off, they made obscene gestures at him and Mough ran into their car at one point.

"There is evidence of a collision between Mough's motorcycle and the vehicle operated by Gear's daughters," Berry said, adding authorities do not yet know who initiated contact.

Any way you look at this, it was preventable. Two families suffering hardship, all over something silly.
 
sigh

Let's start with the idea that what is presumably being described (passing on shoulders, riding the line between lanes, etc.) is illegal

In CA it is legal, in your state probably not.
Unless you are a LE it really is not your concern, I've lane split in Florida and have seen people get into a rage for no reason at all.
They scream "thats illegal" So!? Call a cop or something, if you menace a motorcyclist with your car thats illegal too.
A dope on I95 thought he would punish me by moving over to block my lane (while illegally lane splitting)
I simply moved, got in front of the car in front of him and let go of my throttle slower and slower and slower.
He went from 72 to 50 mph for a 1/2 hour.:neener::evil:
I have not had a bike for a year or two, strictly pick up truck.
I get passed all the time....big deal!

A cop once gave me a ticket in CA for lane splitting, the Judge laughed
at it and through it out.

If you drive a car and menace someone with it, you are using a vehicle as a deadly weapon.
Don't be shocked if some of us do not treat this lightly.

How about we all take a deep breath and return to the topic?
 
these girls are as pure and innocent as the driven snow, and I am a brain surgeon

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/022808/news_2008022800152.shtml
Sheriff: Man allegedly shot at teens in 2006
Oconee sheriff re-examines claims after Bogart slaying
By Joe Johnson | [email protected] | Story updated at 12:09 AM on Thursday, February 28, 2008

Oconee County investigators are taking a fresh look at 2-year-old allegations a Bogart man fired a gun at a group of teens, after he shot and killed a motorcyclist in front of his house this week.

Authorities didn't charge Richard "Ricky" Harold Gear at the time because they couldn't prove he fired a gun, and witnesses were "less than truthful" about what happened, Oconee County Sheriff Scott Berry said Wednesday.

The sheriff's office will reinvestigate that shooting in light of Gear's claim that he acted in self-defense when he shot 21-year-old Bryan Andrew "B.J." Mough on Monday after Mough argued with Gear's daughters in traffic and followed them home.

After deputies charged Gear with murder, residents called the sheriff's office to report other times Gear may have drawn a gun, Berry said.

"This case, like most cases, generates a lot of comments from the public," the sheriff said. "We're still working hard on it, and we're going to follow all leads to their logical conclusion."

Gear's daughters, 17 and 19, called their father Monday night to tell him that someone was following them; when they arrived home, Gear was waiting at the end of the driveway with a .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol, Berry said.

Mough drove by the house, turned around, and Gear shot two or three times as the motorcycle made a second pass, according to Berry.

Mough was shot once in the back, the sheriff said.
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But Gear may have shot at people outside his house before, in 2006, according to Berry.

"Deputies responded to the incident (in 2006), but they could not substantiate that shots were fired at anyone or if any shots were fired at all," the sheriff said.

Gear denied he fired a gun, Berry said.

Investigators are tracking down witnesses to the earlier shooting, according to Berry, who said he wasn't sure whether proving Gear had fired a gun two years ago would impact the murder investigation.

"We're revisiting (Gear's) whole past history," Berry said. "That's our responsibility and obligation. (Mough's death) encouraged us to go back and interview people who may have had contact with the suspect in this case."

Berry wouldn't say more, and a deputy's report gave vague details.

Gear, who turned 46 Wednesday, called the sheriff's office the night of Feb. 25, 2006, to complain that trespassers were on his property at 155 Gear Road. The trespassers backed over a mailbox when Gear told them to leave, according to the report.

A deputy found the car nearby in Bogart, and one of the people inside said they left when someone shot at them, according to the report.

The deputy barred the teens from Gear's property, according to the report, and one of the teens promised to replace the damaged mailbox and post.

But the mother of one of the teens who lives nearby said she called the sheriff's office to report she heard gunshots and that her daughter and friends said Gear shot at them.

The woman, who asked not to be identified, said five teens were arguing outside the Gear home when Gear came out with a gun.

"They were saying, 'Oh my God, oh my God, he shot at us,'" the woman said.

She told a deputy what had happened, but the deputy didn't take a statement because the information was secondhand.

An Oconee sheriff's investigator told the woman Thursday that he needed to interview her daughter about the 2006 shooting, the woman said.

Authorities charged Gear with murder Monday and did not find evidence he acted in self-defense, Berry said.

"The physical evidence we recovered from the scene and elsewhere doesn't reflect that Mough was the primary aggressor," Berry said. "There is no evidence he tried to hit Gear, and his motorcycle never went on Gear's property."

Investigators still don't know exactly what happened in the minutes leading up to Mough's death.

Gear's daughters and Mough apparently left the parking lot of Target, 3065 Atlanta Highway, about the same time Monday night, Berry said.

Tempers flared as they drove west toward Bogart.

Gear's daughters told investigators they made obscene gestures when Mough cut them off, and that Mough intentionally ran into their car after they crossed the Oconee County line. They called their father to say someone was following them, the sheriff said.

The motorcycle apparently did collide with the driver's side of the Gear sisters' car, Berry said, but investigators don't know which vehicle caused that contact.

Mough, who lived in the Lincoln Park subdivision north of Winder, worked at a Target store in Buford, according to a former girlfriend. He was hoping to transfer to the Athens Target and went to the store for an interview Monday, Brittany Williams said.

Published in the Athens Banner-Herald on 022808
 
I've had the same thing happen to me

two teen girls , not paying attention nearly kill me by going through a red light.
I attempted to tell them in a friendly manner and still get the middle finger salute.
People do not realize that some take great offense at things like this.
When I didn't carry guns I treated idiots like that a lot different then I do now.
 
Let he who has never flipped a bird in traffic cast the first stone at these girls. :D

I've been dangerously cut off by bikers on the interstate on multiple occasions, and I'm sure I flipped them the bird more than once.

Just because some hot-headed, immature jerk takes offense at being flipped off, doesn't give him the right to menace a couple teenage girls on the highway, and follow them miles to their home.

Based on these early and incomplete reports, it appears the father did NOT have justification to shoot the guy, so he WILL be dealt with in court. If he wasn't justified, I hope he gets a long paid vacation in the state pen.

However, this should be a word of warning to macho types who get all upset when a couple teenage girls flip them the bird. It's not wise to follow strangers to their home, because you don't know who and what are waiting for you there.
 
well

Let he who has never flipped a bird in traffic cast the first stone at these girls

I would never do that to anyone who I wasn't sure I couldn't kill me in a dirty fight, I have done it once in the past 10 years to a guy who had already threatened to "get the Hells Angels on me"
I know he is a coward because no one affiliated with the Red & White would allow me to call him a coward and flip the bird at him.

It is illegal in NV to flip a bird, no one seems to know though.
 
This seems to be the first example of a "road rage by proxy" shooting I've heard of.
 
Just because some hot-headed, immature jerk takes offense at being flipped off, doesn't give him the right to menace a couple teenage girls on the highway, and follow them miles to their home.

This assumes HE hit their car , and not that they hit him . And , this assumes the girls are telling the complete truth. Sadly , we can't get the other side of the story .

The real hot head in this story is the guy that fired the shots.
 
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