Man sues city after police shoot, kill dog
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***??? Do you even live in the US?? That sounds like typical Eurobabble.
"Oh well, they shot my dog and hauled my naked ass out into the yard by mistake, but they ARE the police and I'm only a citizen so who am I to complain? The govt IS looking ou for my safety, and there's bound to be mistakes, but God forbid we hold the police accountable for them" That's basically what you're saying. What a crock of S***!!
If I make a mistake in my job, I catch hell. If its a big enough mistake, I'd be fired. I just read an article this morning that the dispatchers union in some city is filing a greivance because some dispatchers were disciplined because they let a 911 call ring for half a minute, then put the call on hold for another half minute, when they weren't busy, and as a result, a disabled woman died in a fire. AND THE UNION SAW FIT TO FILE A GREIVENCE!!!! What kind of accountablility is there in Government?? Hardly any!!
Attitudes like that make it all the more difficult to get any.
I'm not saying we hang the cops out to dry for everything that isn't exactly right, but when there's gross negligence involved, they should be held accountable for that negligence just like the rest of us.
TCB in TN
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I agree completely, but THIS is exactly the type of situation that the legal system was intended to be used for!
jenrob
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I'd get over the being dragged out of the house after a few day pobably get over the dog after a few months maybe a year but the thoughts of the police just coming into my place and doing what ever they wanted. I would remember for a life time. but the $$$$$$$ that I would have I could probably put those thoughts off when I took my next trip fishing trip, hunting adventure, or family vacation on there dollar.
I would shoot the cops if they came into my house and fired of rounds. The first thing I seen move I would fire on.
To this I know that there are no illegal activities going on hear and have never been. Saying this if someone came into my place they would be the illegals not haveing any right to enter my domicial. Shoots fired deadly threat.
For the ones that think this is any way saying anything bad about LEO's. I'm married to an LEO and she would do the same thing.
I asked her if she woke up tonight and heard somebody in the house and then heard a gun shoot what she would do. She said come down stairs shooting. Even if somebody yelled Police! yep BG can yell police to and you are shooting in my house so basiclly at me.
I would shoot the cops if they came into my house and fired of rounds. The first thing I seen move I would fire on.
To this I know that there are no illegal activities going on hear and have never been. Saying this if someone came into my place they would be the illegals not haveing any right to enter my domicial. Shoots fired deadly threat.
For the ones that think this is any way saying anything bad about LEO's. I'm married to an LEO and she would do the same thing.
I asked her if she woke up tonight and heard somebody in the house and then heard a gun shoot what she would do. She said come down stairs shooting. Even if somebody yelled Police! yep BG can yell police to and you are shooting in my house so basiclly at me.
More and more we are required to turn to the courts to force those who are responsible for bad things happening to actually pay for the end results of their bad acts.
If those who are responsible owned up, they would not have to be taken to court. Chicken/egg problem.
I am not sure LE is getting that much much worse then they ever were. I think these kind of things have always happened in the past, but the Internet allows for wide dissemination of information, and now we hear about stuff that we just never heard about before.
There are some things LE has started doing that need to be curtailed. Most of it has to do with the increasing militarization. Some might argue its needed to deal with the problems we face with increasingly more violent criminals, but we didn't need militarized police to deal with criminals in the 30s, many of whom were armed with machine guns, grenades, etc.
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So much anger, so little of it directed at the right people.
Just keep voting for virtuous, freedom-loving people, folks. That will make it all better someday. Really.
-Sans Authoritas
Just keep voting for virtuous, freedom-loving people, folks. That will make it all better someday. Really.
-Sans Authoritas
wheelgunslinger
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I disagree. Our society doesn't hate the Police. It's disheartened and angered by the malfeasance of the bad ones. And, it's infuriated over the preferential treatment they get within the legal system relative to a non LEO committing the same crime.
Even our walking, talking, and posting lexicon of bad cop history Deanimator doesn't dislike the good ones who stand up to the bad apples or remain obscure due to their just doing their jobs properly. It's the betrayal we so vehemently despise.
I feel for this guy, but he's lucky really. He could easily be a corpse at this point. Imagine the trigger discipline someone would have who could make the academic choices to invade this guy's home.
armoredman
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Was there not a case recently where police no- knock entered the wrong house, were shot by a homeowner, and the shooting ruled justified?
There are cetainly segments of our society who do. Police represent the government, and I suspect they really hate the government for their plight (and rightly so in some cases) but the police are the most visible part of government.
Its a problem that does not have an easy solution. You can't fire every cop that makes a mistake, because soon you would have no cops.
There is an underlying problem that is rarely discussed. A lot of these kinds of issues are the result of laws passed that a lot of Americans just don't abide by. Police enforce them anyway, and are caught in the middle in some respects. we could do ourselves a lot of good by getting rid of most of the laws on the books.
Zesty
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As far as I know, police dogs are basically treated like human officers in the eyes of the law.....I don't see why a private citizens dog should hold any less value.
Deanimator
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Heretofore, there is no indication of malice before the fact by the police. They were however, blitheringly incompetent. Hunters are repeatedly admonished not to shoot without a clearly identified target. Raiding a house without positive ID is the equivalent of shooting at sounds in the woods. That sort of incompetence gets people killed. They deserve something at least the equivalent of a field grade Article 15. They need to go at least 30 days without pay and allowances.
When there are real consequences to stupid behavior, people tend to modify their behavior. Not all people, but if you're too dumb to do that, you shouldn't be a cop, or a pizza deliveryman, for that matter.
Cesiumsponge
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You better hope bills like this don't pass, otherwise we'll never get the straight story on what they do as far as disciplinary action afterwards: http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8215010?source=rss
zxcvbob
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I realize we don't have all the facts, but why can't a state prosecutor bring *criminal*charges against the cops for criminal negligence, destruction of property, false imprisonment, animal cruelty, etc?
Sure it was a mistake, but there are no consequences against the policeto avoid mistakes. Mistakes should come at a high price. Imagine the roles were reversed, and mere citizen mistakenly killed a police dog? What do you think would happen?
A civil lawsuit doesn't really cost the city anything, they just pass the settlement on to the taxpayers. Throw someone in jail for a year and you'll get some people's attention.
Sure it was a mistake, but there are no consequences against the policeto avoid mistakes. Mistakes should come at a high price. Imagine the roles were reversed, and mere citizen mistakenly killed a police dog? What do you think would happen?
A civil lawsuit doesn't really cost the city anything, they just pass the settlement on to the taxpayers. Throw someone in jail for a year and you'll get some people's attention.
TallPine
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Now that is funny
First, that it would do any good; second, that I would want more incompetent cops bumbling around the neighborhood. Don't get me wrong, they are mostly okay guys, but the leadership ... well, I actually voted for him because the other options were so much worse
ArfinGreebly
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Armed Response
ADT -- Armed Response to an address somewhere in your neighborhood.
I dunno. Doesn't really have the right marketing ring, does it?
The police were responding to "an alarm" . . . oh, really?
How is it that this neighborhood rates an armed police response to "an alarm" from a system installed and monitored by a private company?
One of the reasons we've never gotten a system of this kind is that we've never lived anywhere where the actual police would respond to such an alarm.
Any of you guys live in such a place?
So he lives in a place where actual police will respond?
Y'know, we did have some neighborhoods where the police would show up in a hurry, but these were people with seven-figure homes and six-figure incomes.
So, I gotta wonder, have they seriously bitten off more than they can chew here? 'Cuz if his neighborhood is the kind where -- in my own experience -- the cops will actually race out to respond to an alarm, then this guy will be able to afford decent legal representation.
I wonder if this case will see any further news coverage.
ADT -- Armed Response to an address somewhere in your neighborhood.
I dunno. Doesn't really have the right marketing ring, does it?
The police were responding to "an alarm" . . . oh, really?
How is it that this neighborhood rates an armed police response to "an alarm" from a system installed and monitored by a private company?
One of the reasons we've never gotten a system of this kind is that we've never lived anywhere where the actual police would respond to such an alarm.
Any of you guys live in such a place?
So he lives in a place where actual police will respond?
Y'know, we did have some neighborhoods where the police would show up in a hurry, but these were people with seven-figure homes and six-figure incomes.
So, I gotta wonder, have they seriously bitten off more than they can chew here? 'Cuz if his neighborhood is the kind where -- in my own experience -- the cops will actually race out to respond to an alarm, then this guy will be able to afford decent legal representation.
I wonder if this case will see any further news coverage.
They actually show up here. Now, we have 2 deputies on duty for an entire county at any given time, but they will get there on average in 20-25 minutes.
That's still a lot better than some cities I've lived in. Of course, around here, the cops actually KNOW the people whose home they are responding to, and likely go to church or do business with them. That DOES make a difference in the level of motivation in responding.
I have an alarm and around here, it is considered essential. Everyone I know has one.
I look at it as the "timer" on a robbery. A robber KNOWS that they have about 20 minutes to get in and get out before the cops get there. Likely, that means they can't get everything they are coming for-- and they won't get into my gun safe in that period of time.
In rural areas without alarms... the robbers have all day long as long as you are at work.
My father-in-law has a neighbor who didn't have an alarm. Workers at his home had cased his house and discovered his gun safe. One day while the neighbor was at work, the workers came back with an appliance dolly and tried to take his gunsafe.
Unfortunately for them, it had rained quite a bit recently. They got it stuck in his lawn. The neighbor was a bit suprised to come home and see his gunsafe sitting on a dolly stuck in mud in his front lawn when he got home!
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An earlier poster nailed it. I don't know why I haven't thought/heard/read about it before. Heck, my GPS is five years old, and it gets to within two or three feet of a predetermined spot. There is absolutely no excuse for a wrong address anymore.
all I know is that if I enter a wrong house even mistakenly and shoot a critter or a person and the homeowner wants to press charges or the LE wants to I get a free vacation. They should get no less.
I know they is "special n all" ...
I also know that they would pay me more than just replacement for the dog. My dogs are not livestock to me.
I also know of no ordinences to the effect that I need visable address on my home. Plusses and minuses can be made for doing so,especially with the toys we tend to have.
I know they is "special n all" ...
I also know that they would pay me more than just replacement for the dog. My dogs are not livestock to me.
I also know of no ordinences to the effect that I need visable address on my home. Plusses and minuses can be made for doing so,especially with the toys we tend to have.
I am not litigious, and have not sued over things others would have in a heartbeat. However if that happened to me, I would sue for several reasons. One of course would be for the loss of a family member regardless of it being a dog. Secondly, for the unacceptable mistake they made which could have easily resulted in the loss of a human life.
Not sure if it is a USPS regulation or a state or local law, but I recall seeing in our villages little newsletter once that house numbers are actually required. Mine are hanging on the fence out by the street. I have invited people here, described the house and yard (fairly distinctive), told them where the numbers are, and even told them about the pole barn next door to me (no other pole barns on this street at all). I've still had people drive by several times before finding it.
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