Man sues city after police shoot, kill dog

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Heck, my GPS is five years old, and it gets to within two or three feet of a predetermined spot. There is absolutely no excuse for a wrong address anymore.

There are, however, exceptions. My own address for instance. Punch it in on a new GPS, and you'll not only get the wrong house...you'll get the road a quarter-mile south of me. Until I put op a road sign out of pocket...private road...nobody could find me except for the landmarks that I provided.

I also know that they would pay me more than just replacement for the dog. My dogs are not livestock to me.

Amen to that. I have 16 dogs here, and they're all my furry children. I'm afraid I'd have to upset a few applecarts in a situation like this.
 
So he lives in a place where actual police will respond?
here they respond, but only if it is a monitored system (can't use the dialers that call 911 anymore-big fine for that).

you get two or maybe three false alarms per year, after that it is a fine for each additional false alarm. i think the fine starts at $100, and goes up from there.
 
If I make a mistake in my job, I catch hell. If its a big enough mistake, I'd be fired. I just read an article this morning that the dispatchers union in some city is filing a greivance because some dispatchers were disciplined because they let a 911 call ring for half a minute, then put the call on hold for another half minute, when they weren't busy, and as a result, a disabled woman died in a fire. AND THE UNION SAW FIT TO FILE A GREIVENCE!!!! What kind of accountablility is there in Government?? Hardly any!!

Respectfully, the union had no choice.

That's what the employees are paying the union for. The union's job is to represent the employee in all employer manners involving terms of the contract and disciplinary matters. Even if the employee shot the Police Chief in front of God and everyone on the department, the union is bound and obligated to provide a vigorous defense for the employee.

If the union decided not to, the employee could sue the union and recover any and all lost wages and whatever money it would take to cover all the bennies as well. It's happened.

FWIW, if you think the government is out of control dealing with the citizen, you should see how they treat their employees most of the time.
 
I think I'm the first one that brought up the GPS thing when I mentioned Garamon. Sure, as some have said, it isn't an exact science.

But we are STILL forgetting one thing... an ALARM was going off 3 doors down. I don't know if it is a "silent" alarm, but most of the folks around here have audible alarms on their system. I'm not certain, but I think MOST alarms are audible as well.

It still doesn't explain that an alarm is going off three doors down and they decide on that house.

The alarm of my dad's closest neighbor has gone off a few times. You can hear it ALL over our community. I can't imagine how they'd miss something like that.


-- John
 
That's what the employees are paying the union for. The union's job is to represent the employee in all employer manners involving terms of the contract and disciplinary matters. Even if the employee shot the Police Chief in front of God and everyone on the department, the union is bound and obligated to provide a vigorous defense for the employee.
That is absolutely correct. Not a whole lot different than a lawyer defending a murderer in court.
 
The media's accuracy and lack of concern for it being what it is, I'd reserve judgement until the facts are known, if they ever are.

I have responded to alarms as a LEO...

And I've been sent to the wrong location. Twice. Wrong locations which I entered, cleared, and secured prior to being informed of the error.

In response to my queries, there are apparently both technical and human-error reasons which can lead to similar circumstances. In those instances, it is someone's or something's fault, but not the responders.

But maybe it was their fault. Why is an important answer.

Regardless, if they believed they were at the correct location then their actions will be viewed in that paradigm.

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As for the dog, the norm in training dictates that dogs get shot before responders get bit. That said, reasonable efforts should, of course, be taken to avoid doing so. Most LEOs would only do so out of perceived immediate danger/need. (Think of how many dogs are successfully negotiated daily vs shot annually.)

As for handcuffing, it is situationally dependent. (Common)

As for naked in the yard, again situationally dependent. (Unusual)

As for the time line, again situationally dependent. (Dependant on too many factors to specualte on)

The last two are the ones, after the reasoning behind the entry of the wrong location, which will be reviewed the most, in my experience. It is also where the plaintiff has the strongest case.

But we know little of what actually transpired, the conditions leading to and following initial contact, cooperation or lack of it, etc.

There's more to the story I'd wager than what's in the press to date.
 
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I'm not going back..

to find the threadI saw earlier today but you may, it's about some guy popping off a round at a gun show. IMHO he'd been better off shooting a dog and dragging his naked grandson out on the lawn.:eek:, conversly, the cops should have their guns destroyed.;)
 
Police spokesman Capt. Kevin Brunelle today said, "It was an incident we wish didn't happen."

Oh my, isn't that heartfelt. And LEO's wonder why they are losing respect.

On one hand I can see shooting the dog, assuming the wrong address was an honest mistake they were stopping a bona-fide threat in performance of their duty. Considering that my Dad and brother- simple ignorant dirt farmers- have devices that can show the address and property lines of any place in four counties it would take a willing suspension of belief to believe 'well trained professionals' would make such a mistake.

Selena
 
Hi JWarren,

think I'm the first one that brought up the GPS thing when I mentioned Garamon. Sure, as some have said, it isn't an exact science.

Certain agri-business concerns have built machinery based in GPS that will accurately report bushels/acre in harvest and print maps showing yields per sq/yard.

Let's call a spade a darn shovel shall we? Two arrogant idiots didn't have enough pride in craft to second check the situation. Probably one pointed to a house -said that's the place, leaped on the premise and sprawled to a conclusion. And every LEO in the country will defend their actions with 'procedures.'

Selena
 
how long does it take to figure oute that a naked man in the shower isn't the threat.....

I'm not typically an LEO basher....but these guys need to be held accountable.....

ya just can't go around entering private property unless your SURE you know what the heck your doing.

I don't suppose they even offered to have his carpet cleaned....

Oh no.... that would be admitting that they screwed up....

let's add insult to injury, by pretending that we didn't do anything wrong and that it was acutally the dog owners fault for not having his address labelled to their satisfaction....then we'll make him re-live the experience every day for years while he chases us in court.
 
Ever notice how these dogs are always "lunging" at police. That seems to be the weasel word the courts accept as justification for LE to shoot your dog.

how long does it take to figure oute that a naked man in the shower isn't the threat.....
even if he is an intruder, a naked, wet, and handcuffed man is not really much of a threat at all. My guess is everyone on the scene knew something was not right within a few minutes.

these guys need to be held accountable.....
don't hold your breath. the claim is always made that somehow police procedures are far more important than the law, the constitution, right and wrong, etc. It has always baffled me that the courts contnue to accept that kind of nonsense, but that is the way it is, and until the various legislatures start to show some spine it won't get better, and it may well get worse.

ya just can't go around entering private property unless your SURE you know what the heck your doing.
one would think so.

I don't suppose they even offered to have his carpet cleaned....
that would be like an admission they did something wrong, and that is unlikely to ever happen.

let's add insult to injury, by pretending that we didn't do anything wrong and that it was acutally the dog owners fault for not having his address labelled to their satisfaction....
Are they even claiming that his home was not labeled? The odd way they phrased things made it sound like that, but they did not actually say that.

then we'll make him re-live the experience every day for years while he chases us in court.
Government has infinite resources it takes from us at the barrel of a gun (literally in some cases) and will use all of those resources to avoid accepting responsibility for its mistakes. Maybe a jury will award him $100 million, just to get the attention of government that this kind of thing is just not acceptable.
 
No No No, you guys got this all wrong. The guy may not have been the suspect listed on the warrant, but he had an EBR (thats Evil Black Rottweiler) that jumped up unprovoked and attacked a Cop. The cop should sue the man for emotional trauma from being attacked by an evil assault dog, and the man should have to go through the same legal process as anyone else who has a dog that bites someone. the dog has already been put down, so he owes at least the cost of the bullet to the city. Besides, he shouldn't have even had that dog. what sporting purpose does a 150 rottweiler serve?
 
back in the eighties there was a rash of similar incidents. it happened so often that NRA's wayne la pierre popped off, calling SWAT cops "jack booted thugs." if memory serves, he was referring to the SWAT boots and helmets that look very similar to the WWII era german helmets. wayne's statement caused such an outrage that president h.w. bush cancelled his life membership to the NRA.

a dynamic entry is a big deal. i do not think it is too much to ask that they get the right house. it astounds me that this could actually happen.

as for shooting the dog, i would be off the chart peeeoooed. both my dogs, especially my rotty are true friends, not just dogs. i would try my best to make 'em pay with any and all legal means i could muster. the rotty was trying to do what he instinctively does, protect his family and home. the cops would do the same, they would try to protect their homes and families.

if there were severe punishment to the cops and their departments, maybe it would get around to this and other police departments, that maybe, just maybe it would be a good idea to make sure they got the correct house.
 
Since when does a burglar alarm going off warrant a swat response? One would think that the presence of a Rottweiler in the house would have been a sign that there was no burglar.
 
Erik, thanks for being a good cop. Around here, most cops will show up in front of a house with an alarm.. sometime that day. The will walk around the house, poke a flashlight into a window or two, then go about their business.

I remembered the time a bunch of gangsters were using my car in my driveway as a bottle opener. They were popping beers off of my trunk. I called the local PD, told them that there were a bunch of gangsters in my driveway. they asked me to tell them how many were women, how many were guys... i snuck up to a window and did a tactical count. then they asked me how many were latino, how many were black... did another tactical count. finally, they asked me if they were making any references to gangs... at that point I said, "can you just have a car do a slow drive by?" the operator hastily said that she would. I hung up after refusing to give her my name and phone number.

no one EVER showed up. the thugs continued to use my car as a bottle opener, even after I turned the driveway lights on. I was quite well armed, and boy was I mad.. but I wasn't about to start shooting folks for screwing with my car. i just had to sit there and take it for another 30 minutes.

anyway. i applaud the cops for trying to investigate the house. however, I cannot for the life of me figure out why they dragged him outside naked, or why they coudln't figure out that they were in the wrong house until over half an hour later.
 
I remembered the time a bunch of gangsters were using my car in my driveway as a bottle opener. They were popping beers off of my trunk. I called the local PD, told them that there were a bunch of gangsters in my driveway. they asked me to tell them how many were women, how many were guys... i snuck up to a window and did a tactical count. then they asked me how many were latino, how many were black... did another tactical count. finally, they asked me if they were making any references to gangs... at that point I said, "can you just have a car do a slow drive by?" the operator hastily said that she would. I hung up after refusing to give her my name and phone number.

no one EVER showed up. the thugs continued to use my car as a bottle opener, even after I turned the driveway lights on. I was quite well armed, and boy was I mad.. but I wasn't about to start shooting folks for screwing with my car. i just had to sit there and take it for another 30 minutes.

honestly, is there a reason or decent excuse for this kind of non service?
 
A few things of note:

1) Having read the article I see no reference to either SWAT teams or no-knock warrants, so I'm not sure where some of you guys are getting that from.

2) The article says the dog died 30 minutes later and the man wasn't able to aid it in time, but that does not mean it took the Police 30 minutes to sort it out. It might have only taken them 30 seconds, but by then it was too late for the dog.

3) As for the naked man in the shower, I used to volunteer at my cities Police department recording crime reports. People in the shower wasn't terribly uncommon, and the Police in my city found burglars/intruders doing far stranger things when responding (cooking, eating, sleeping, setting things on fire, etc.).

4) The article gives no indication that there was an audible burglar alarm several houses down, just that there was an alarm.

5) We don't know what info the alarm company sent the officers, and how that information correlated to the actual neighborhood.

In short, if we are to actually go off of what the article actually says then we have very little information about the matter. Further, this article isn't even about the incident (which happened two years ago), it's about the lawsuit.

You all can do as you like, but I'll reserve judgment on the matter until I know more about the situation then three paragraphs, two of which are told from the perspective of a person seeking monetary gain from the matter.
 
I hope Mr. Riggin wins this case.

Badge or no badge, If you screw up and ends up damaging someone, you gotta stand on the rug and take your medicine. Since police officers have to enforce the law, they should be held to a higher standard when their actions damage the ones they are supposed to protect.
 
Years ago I used to believe the fairy tale that the police are your friends. After having experienced 57 years of living I no longer believe that. I, my wife, my wife's mother and my kids have lived our entire lives in Portland Oregon within 25 blocks. Other family members living and dead have spent a large portion of their lives in the same area. The City of Portland police have been corrupt since the city was founded in the mid 1800's And it hasn't got much better in the last 150 years. They do pretty much what they want to and get away with it because of the political clout the police union has. The union has the politicians quaking in their boots and I am sure this situation is widespread elsewhere. Same with the Multnomah County Sheriff too. What a bunch of rotten fish nowadays. 30 years ago they were looked upon as one of the best in the US and had others studying them. No more, they are a joke as far as I am concerned. I guess the the point I am trying to bring out that is unless we hold our LEO's responsible for their actions they are not about to either.
 
It seems like they owe him a new dog. Past that I'm not so sure. Its not good but things like that are bound to happen from time to time. I'd think the officers might start to wonder if they were in the right place when they found "the burglar" taking a shower though.
You cannot be serious...
 
Newton said that all actions have a reaction. This is one of them. If I get caught speeding, I get a ticket. If I murder someone, I get a life sentence or death penalty. If I rob someone, I get jail time. The law is the law, and is pretty explicit about what constitutes crime once the act is proven.

This was a crime. If it was not for the shooting of the dog, the police probably could have just shrugged this off with an apology. Having the lack of professionalism to doublecheck the address and situation before opening fire is their downfall to all of this.

As a delivery driver for a pizza company a few years ago, it was not that hard to check addresses even on rural county roads or dense suburban areas with confusing apartment layouts. Police officers should know their city well enough to find the appropriate house with 3-5 officers responding to a scene. If not they need to slow down and check their facts before the guns leave their holsters. As a CCW, if my gun leaves its holster, it is only if I am in imminent danger or am showing a very close friend in trusted, private company.

At the very least the officers should be "court-martialed" by a police review board and be required to give a formal apology and pay for the dog. There is a very good chance that they will lose their jobs for this error and the city might have to pay hefty civil penalties. If that is the case, I would not feel too much sympathy for the officers.
 
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