Police Respond To Alarm At Wrong House, Kill Dog (LAPD)

Status
Not open for further replies.
I have an alarm system and it's main purpose is to alert the police to an intrusion if I am away from home, or to wake me up if someone breaches the perimeter while I am in my home. I don't think anyone from THR actually uses their alarm to get police to come protect them from harm.

JM
 
Zach S

I'd be willing to bet that if an officer waited the 20 or 30 seconds it took to verify the address and someone in you family was hurt or killed as a result, some of you would be singing a different tune.

As opposed to the cop going to the wrong house and never showing up at the right address at all because they didn't verify it? Think it through a little harder.

The blame lies with the cop that went to the wrong address. Stop trying to shift it to the alarm or imaginary numbers that may or may not be legible on the house. The cop found the house he was looking for. Too bad it was the wrong one. As always when a dog (or cat) is killed by a cop, I'm relieved it wasn't a person.
 
I don't even HAVE a house number or address, so I'm pretty much on my own. :D To my knowledge no trooper has been out my road in the past year, and according to the local sourdoughs no LEO of any kind has *ever* been back there. In AK once you get off the freeways and out of the cities it's the wild west.
 
I'm a dog owner-have a large rottie/doberman mix. She's a sweetie but I admit she's intimidating.

I'd be crushed if this happened to me and I lost my dog. BUT I don't tend to leave her outside when I'm not home. How many of you have neighbors that leave Fido out and Fido barks out of boredom.

Also, too many weird things can happen-kids go after ball in yard, kids get bit, bad things begin to happen. Dog sleeps in her crate or on her bed. If I'm not home she's crated, with me or being boarded at the kennel. It's called responsible dog ownership. (I may get royally flamed for this, but it is true).

I feel really bad for the dog and the owner, but I can see the LEO's side too.
 
What if they had gone to the right address and it had a dog in the yard too? Would that dog be dead? I mean, what is the procedure on entering yards with possible family dogs in them? Is there one? If not, how is this possibly not going to happen again and again every time police enter yards with dogs in them?
 
Well there's part of the point I was going to make: Your alarm goes off, the police arrive...and shoot your dog. Most alarms will be over vandalism or maybe a small theft. Probably far less than the investment in a dog such as a papered Rot. So if they had not been negligent and had gotten the correct house the homeonwer, had there been a crime in progress, would now be out the stolen/damaged merchandise PLUS the cost of the dog.

Yeah, that's a great procedure. :rolleyes:
 
Why does there always have to be an assignment of blame or negligence? Poop happens. It's unfortunate but bad things occur no matter how great of measures are taken.
 
You don't ever hear of a police officer being bit by a dog. Is the procedure to shoot the dog on sight? If so, we need to keep all pets indoors and with us at all times for their safety. When they go out to relieve themselves we should keep watch so that if an officer comes into our yard we can step beween the officer and the dog to save our pets life.

Sometimes I don't believe the police realize that our pets are family to us. All dogs will bark when their yard is entered by anyone. This is their domain and they want to protect it. They will carry on until someone lets them know everything is OK. My dog is so observant that if a chair is out of place in the yard next door he carries on until I talk to him and let him know all is well. Otherwise he never barks. He is an alarm for me and makes me feel safe from people entering my yard that I might fear. I am sorry to say I have seen so many articles of the police killing dogs (which I don't consider normal) that I am beginning to fear the police.

We had a story about the police entering a home in our area. The family pet barked at them and they shot and killed the pet in front of the children. This was also a wrong address. I wonder if they endeared themselves to that family? They did sue and got a new puppy and some money out of the deal. But, it would have been a terrible experience for the children.

Most of the wrong address calls are about drug houses, and could have really mean vicious dogs. These I can understand if the officer chooses to shoot the dog. We have a home in our neighborhood where the owner has been to prison four times for selling drugs and having guns. We get along fine with this neighbor. If he were to move away another would take his place. It seems that in America there is one drug house per neighborhood.

Mrs. Toro


_______________________________________________________
Jeremiah 49:16
Thy terribleness hath deceived thee, and the pride of thine heart, O thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, that holdest the height of the hill: though thou shouldest make thy nest as high as the eagle, I will bring thee down from thence, saith the Lord.
 
Pretty sad.. was retreat not on the list of options??
I mean they HAD to know that the dog was probably the homeowners dog.. and would have NOTHING to do with the house being burglerised.

I hope the city pays out the nose on this one.
I feel for the homeowner.
 
Reminds me of an old SImpsons episode where chief Wiggum kicks down the door of a house, gun drawn, and says, "All right, if this isn't the right house, I quit."

Seriously, though, my dogs aren't mean, but they'll act that way if strangers come up to the house. If anyone (including law-enforcement) came onto my property without authorization and harmed them, I'd be on the phone with a good lawyer immediately.

If you're not a dog person, imagine it this way: cops arrive at the wrong house where the owner's had a bad day and gotten drunk. Hearing people in his yard, he walks out yelling, possibly brandishing a weapon. Bang. Lawsuit. There's really no difference here.
 
hmph

what would have happened if instead, the dog wasted the cops for breaking into his master's house? Maybe next time the bad guys will lose.
 
maybe it's just me but...

I would guess that the LAPD isn't exactly taking the best and the brightest. The people they recruit are... well... :barf:
 
Unfortunately, sometimes, even the right house is the wrong house.

Late one night, a few years ago in Indy, the police responded to a B&E. They showed up, found evidence (a broken window) of the B&E, quietly entered, searched the house - not turning on any lights, and found the man who broke in. He sees a bunch of strange men and comes at them with a knife. Knife wielding guy dies of multiple gunshot wounds.

Now for the "rest of the story". The man with the knife lived there - it was his home. He had locked himself out and had to "break in". He was also a bit drunk as he had just walked home from a night out on the town when a neighbor witnessed the "breaking and entering" and called 911.

What would have been the "right" thing to do?

I don't know. I know how the story made me feel at the time, but I wasn't there.

----------
Carry safe, Carry on.
 
Apologies for slight thread hijack...

Shooting a charging rottweiler, people can tolerate...but shooting a tied-up golden retreiver is beyond the pale. This officer escaped serious consequences for so doing. However, under the spotlight, he showed his true nature, and "what goes around comes around", so to speak. Makes for sweet irony, and a clever headline, though.

ARMED AND DANGEROUS
Cop who shot dog fired for 'shooting bird'
Officer booted for extending middle finger to TV cameras
Posted: July 1, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

An Oklahoma police officer who shot a family dog has been fired for allegedly "shooting the bird" on television.
cforister.gif
Officer Cory Forister fired for obscene gesture (KTUL-TV)

Bixby, Okla., Police Chief Anthony Stephens decided to fire Cory Forister after Tulsa TV stations aired video of the officer making an obscene gesture to camera crews.

Reporters were covering a canine-aggression class Forister was ordered to attend following his shooting of a golden retriever during a burglary investigation earlier this month. The dog, named Fluppy, had to be euthanized.
fluppy.jpg
According to KOTV-TV, station reporter Patrina Adger sought comment from Forister about the case.

Adger: "Officer Forister, do you want to talk about what you're learning from the class?"

Forister: "No, thank you."

Adger: "Are you learning anything from the class?"

Forister: "I just told you, I don't want an interview."

Footage from the meeting showed Forister resting his head in his hand, with his middle finger extended.

The police chief says he was flooded with calls after the gesture was broadcast, and he was forced to let Forister go for conduct unbecoming of a police officer.

"This type of conduct by a police officer cannot, and will not, be tolerated, under any circumstances," Stephens said.

Forister denies intentionally "flipping off" the reporter.

According to KTUL-TV, the saga began June 5 as Forister was responding to a possible burglary at the home of John and Kathy Benzinger.

Fluppy killed after lunging at officer (KOTV-TV)

He then saw the family pet, which was tied to a cable as it lunged at him.

"I yelled three times at the dog, 'back, back, back,' and I was running backwards as fast as I could," Forister told KTUL.

He says Fluppy was on a long tether and was less than two feet away when he fired three shots.

"It all happened in a matter of about four seconds," Forister told KTUL. "It was instant. When I felt like my life was at risk, my personal safety at risk."

The city investigated the shooting and concluded no criminal charges should be filed against the officer.

"As far as we are concerned, we've conducted an investigation, held a review hearing, issued a finding, and that's the end of it," City Attorney Jim Frasier told the Tulsa World.

The Benzingers have since obtained another golden retriever puppy, as the family children pooled their money to purchase one.

"[Forister] has still refused to call us and issue an apology!" John Benzinger lamented to KOTV, though the police department itself has issued an apology.

He says the family is still considering a civil lawsuit to cover Fluppy's veterinary and cremation bills, reportedly worth over $1,000.

The case has been a hot topic in Oklahoma, sparking plenty of discussion and letters to the editor of the Tulsa World, including one by Tulsa resident James Blazer.

"When a Bixby police officer, one Cory Forister, shoots a golden retriever because it comes too close, then I would not want him to even have access to a gun, much less be authorized to use it," Blazer wrote.

"The dog killed in Bixby was tethered and could not reach him and, more important, it was a golden retriever, which is just about as dangerous as a 2-month-old baby."
 
I don't really fault them for shooting the dog. You just need to lower your standards. It takes at least a room temperature IQ to make sure you're at the right house, so they were fighting an uphill battle to begin with. The cops are the real victims here. Victims of being stupid. Not nearly as stupid as conducting a no-knock at the wrong address, but a good attempt.
 
If you're not a dog person, imagine it this way: cops arrive at the wrong house where the owner's had a bad day and gotten drunk. Hearing people in his yard, he walks out yelling, possibly brandishing a weapon. Bang. Lawsuit. There's really no difference here.

A dog, despite all the emotions we understandbly grow to feel for our loved pets, does not equal a human being. There is a huge difference here. In your example, the homeowner, a human, was shot. In the news story, an animal was shot.

A sincere apology and appropriate financial compensation for the value of the dog are all that is justified here, imho, so long as the officer wasn't guilty of gross negligence.

(*braces himself for the usual onslaught of "dogs are better than people and shouldn't just be property in the eyes of the law" flames*)
 
(*braces himself for the usual onslaught of "dogs are better than people and shouldn't just be property in the eyes of the law" flames*)
Ummm... wrong website... here you go: www.peta.org

Don't get me wrong, my cat and dog are almost members of my family. Almost. I'd throw my beloved brittany spaniel in front of a proverbial bullet headed for my daughter any day of the week.

A sincere apology and appropriate financial compensation for the value of the dog are all that is justified here, imho, so long as the officer wasn't guilty of gross negligence.
Hmmmm... gross negligence... like not showing up to the right house?
 
I far prefer the company of my dog to people in general, but I do acknowledge that there is one major difference between a dog and a person:



One's a dog

The other's a person

Jeez, everybody's an expert. Since when are some dogs OK (goldens) and some dogs not (rotts). Ask any animal control person which dogs are the biters, dollars to donuts cockers and goldens are in the top 5. Retreat, from a charging dog? I'll pay money to watch you try that one, getting sutures in your butt will require you sleeping on your tummy for a while.

Ya want hypotheticals, try this one: 4 year old neighbor accidently tosses ball over fence, goes to retrieve it, killed by dog. Bad things happen, life is imperfect, the city can by them a new pup and move on.

Lord knows I've wanted to flip off a camera crew.........
 
It's all "stuff" happens except for one thing.

Wrong house.
Wrong house.
Wrong house.
Wrong house.
Wrong house.
Wrong house.
Wrong house.
Wrong house.
Wrong house.
Wrong house.
Wrong house.
Wrong house.
Wrong house.
Wrong house.
Wrong house.

And it could have just as easily been a person shot, once that initial, critical error was made.

Come on, people. They are NUMBERS. There are only ten different symbols!

If a cop is heading into a life-or-death situation, he better make damn well sure he's got the right stinkin' address.

I mean, he's not delivering pizzas. He may have to take -- or save -- a life. That extraordinarily higher level of consequence calls for an extraordinarily higher level of care.

It's the same reason that I wash my hands for about fifteen seconds before I make dinner, but a surgeon scrubs for about ten minutes (and then puts on gloves) before starting surgery. Because the stakes are that much higher, and the risk of germs is that much more critical.
 
A dog, despite all the emotions we understandbly grow to feel for our loved pets, does not equal a human being.

Ted Bundy was human, Adolf Hitler was human, these cops were human. Being human ain't so sacred... I'd put my dog's life above the lives of these "humans" any day.
 
something doesn't add up.

LAPD announced that they wouldn't respond to alarm calls.

Now this silent alarm goes off in some kind of a court building? Unless I read this wrong, the LAPD was responding to an alarm call for some priviledged person. That does not square with me. In anyevent, the dog owner could sue that "privileged" person. that officer may never get another raise again.

cluster f***.


Besides, we're preaching to the choir here. We want recognized right to self defense, not relying on police for protection of life or property. This forum wont be crying foul if the police took one additional radio call to confirm the address.


I hope someone shows the dead dog to that child. "this is what happens when you play around in mommy's purse"
 
Yes there only ten different symbols,but they can be arranged in a bewildering array of sequences.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top