Mass Killer's Guns ID'd

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Per Santa Barbara news conference (no link), Elliot Rodger had 1 Glock G34, 9mm and 2 Sig P226's, 9mm. He had over 40-10 round mags. Newser listed the guns as semi-automatic pistols.

He purchased the guns legally, 1 in Goleta CA, 1 in Oxnard and 1 in Burbank.

Pure evil.
 
Good thing there is a ten round mag limit in CA. It could have been much worse if he didn't have to change out his magazines so many times !!! :cuss:

(Sarcasm intended)
 
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gbran said:
Per Santa Barbara news conference (no link), Elliot Rodger had 1 Glock G34, 9mm and 2 Sig P226's, 9mm. He had over 40-10 round mags. Newser listed the guns as semi-automatic pistols.

He purchased the guns legally, 1 in Goleta CA, 1 in Oxnard and 1 in Burbank.

Pure evil.
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I have read his parents were typical liberal Hollywood staunch anti-gunners.

One of the Columbine shooter used AWB compliant 10 round magazines for his pistol.
 
And now CNN is parading around a grief-stricken father of one of the shooting victims, and his passionate plea to ban guns, and blame gun owners. I'm not going to even begin to judge this man as a person, because he has obviously suffered a most painful and tragic loss in his own family.

However, the media is using him as a spokesperson for this issue, when his misplaced blame (precisely placed on all of us) is really just stemming from an unimaginable sense of loss. It's a natural (but unhealthy) anger and rage that many people feel when placed in these positions, and he wants someone to blame. The only person that is really to blame is dead, and now "gun owners", the "NRA", and "craven politicians" are being blamed by the grieving father.

Again, we shouldn't judge him, given the very horrible loss he has just suffered… I doubt I'd be in a great frame of mind if I was in his shoes myself. But, I do blame the media for using him as a puppet in this politically charged debate.

This was a senseless loss of life, but the responsible party is dead. None of you, none of my family or friends, and no special interest group is directly responsible for this murderer's actions.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...ting-victims-father-press-conference.cnn.html
 
Good thing he had those ten round CA compliant magazines. This incident could have been much worse. SMH

Anyone want to take bets how long the politicians and media will be on the banning wagon citing this shooting? I am going with a long time since they still bring up Newtown every other day.
 
one of the 226's was a Mk25, based on the clearly visible gold anchor. guess the USN should be held accountable. (sarcasm for those who can't detect it)
 
It is a sad day indeed - I have been working crazy hours and only heard about this event a few minutes ago for the first time. My thoughts are with the victims.

I do not like the portrayal of this as a "mass shooting" because I feel that it is overlooking the victims who were stabbed to death and hit by a vehicle. This is a madman killing spree, and clearly we are way beyond "gunman" territory with this psychopath.
 
That was what I noticed immediately as well. All CA-compliant mags.
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You guys shouldn't be patting yourselves on the back. Now you need further restrictions, as the 10 round limit is obviously not working...."Ban them all!" will be next step down the road that the populas will succumb to.

When a guy carrying a 7 round 45 could have stopped it.
 
Good thing he had those ten round CA compliant magazines. This incident could have been much worse.
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Good thing there is a ten round mag limit in CA. It could have been much worse if he didn't have to change out his magazines so many times
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By pointing to CA-compliant mags as having reduced the damage Rodger did, you're effectively asserting that gun control works. It doesn't. This guy could have had 33-round mags for his Glock, and it wouldn't have made a significant difference. What would have made a significant difference is if there had been armed citizens in the immediate area who had confronted Rodger at an earlier point. That's theory, of course, but it's based on sound logic and common sense.

California may have saved a life or two by enforcing a 10-round mag law, but they could have saved countless others by giving law abiding citizens the right to defend themselves with the best protection our society has to offer. A 10-round mag law is about on par with, "You're still going to die, but we'll buy you some time." Gee, thanks.

jmorris said:
Now you need further restrictions, as the 10 round limit is obviously not working...."Ban them all!" will be next step down the road that the populous will succumb to.

When a guy carrying a 7 round 45 could have stopped it.
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Bingo.
 
i think he was being sarcastic, or at least that how that remark came across to me
 
Then they parade that poor father on tv and have him rally against guns and the NRA. Who cares about the kids that were stabbed to death.
 
What really needs attention is the number of folks in our modern society that seem attracted to the idea of killing others as they suicide out... Even one is too many, but "aggressive suicide" is a growing problem... wish it weren't so. In this environment any rules or laws that prevent an honest citizen from defending him (or her) self and their family are just wrong, period.

One armed citizen might have saved lives here since no police force (and I'm a retired cop) can respond quickly enough to prevent these kind of incidents.... Let's see how many honest politicians are willing to speak up about the foolishness of "gun free zones" that turn ordinary people into rabbits.
 
Much of what I have been reading is focused on the fact that 1) his parent reported the videos he put up to police 2) they interviewed him face to face before the rampage 3) his psychological counselors (plural) were all attempting to treat issues.

No mention of any medications yet.

Basically the system is rigged to prevent any one person making a decision to incarcerate him before they act. It's the legal principle of not using prior restraint, which does protect us from physical restrainment just because we say something.

We have to be extremely careful in choosing how to pursue it. Like the recent commitment for 4 day observation by a 2A supporter who voiced the concern she might kill herself, that incident has become a showpiece of LEO's stepping across some legal boundaries when they search her home. Some rant her Constitutional rights were violated, but on the other hand, can we say that not doing anything to stop this young man didn't violate over a dozen other people's rights?

This really isn't about guns at the root - it's about how we are going to treat the indicators of someone at the point of acting out their rage and assess how much control we take from them.

There's a ill defined line where someone who is simply verbalizing grief over life's circumstances vs broadcasting they have made decisions to act out their revenge.

One Rule of American Life is that we almost never do anything proactively until somebody is killed - then we suddenly wake up and see all the clues with perfect 20/20 hindsight. To do the job better, we have to profile - which is currently anathema and can't be done.

Making a blanket list of all the sufferers of certain diagnosed mental challenges will then have the unintended result of the majority being unequally treated as monsters ready to go off. We arrive back to the old cliched "Vietnam War Veteran" who acts out their PTSD on those around them. Only a few percent had issues, labeling a few million others would be counter productive.

Easy to point fingers after the fact, how do we fix the problem in advance? This guy posted videos, had shrinks, was interviewed by the cops, and NOBODY DID ANYTHING to stop him.

Nobody has that answer yet, but the media still has to sell a story.
 
Because of the multiple weapons, knife, car, firearms, used I don't see this incident gaining any traction for more gun control outside of California. On a national level gun restrictions is too hot of button issue this close to elections.

On a state level though I would not be surprised for a some kind of restrictive laws.
 
Bobson said:
By pointing to CA-compliant mags as having reduced the damage Rodger did, you're effectively asserting that gun control works. It doesn't. This guy could have had 33-round mags for his Glock, and it wouldn't have made a significant difference. What would have made a significant difference is if there had been armed citizens in the immediate area who had confronted Rodger at an earlier point. That's theory, of course, but it's based on sound logic and common sense.

California may have saved a life or two by enforcing a 10-round mag law, but they could have saved countless others by giving law abiding citizens the right to defend themselves with the best protection our society has to offer. A 10-round mag law is about on par with, "You're still going to die, but we'll buy you some time." Gee, thanks.


Bingo.
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CA's answer to this will probably be to make possession of more than one or two mags for your gun a crime too.
 
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