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MD AWB Live Update 2-10-04

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  1. Norton

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    Been receiving some live updates from Brother Spot77 who is at the hearing today for the MD AWB in Annapolis.

    As of 12:00pm he said there were approximately 400 pro-gunners (woohoo!) at the doors to the hearing and no sign as of that time of the anti's. They were gathering at another location IIRC.


    READ THE FOLLOWING CAREFULLY:

    Some things that Spot77 were important: They ARE keeping a rolling tally of the phone call throughout the day and your continuing phone calls are of paramount importance throughout today, Tuesday February 10. if you can make one call or 20 calls...please do it.





    Continue laying on the heat and we may just pull this off!!

    Way to go all of you folks who could make it today.....we owe you big time for your efforts.

    More updates as the afternoon progresses.
     
  2. Girlwithagun

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    I just got back from Annapolis. I wished I could have stayed the whole time but my boys were tired and I should not have worn 4 inch heels. :p

    It was great to see the amount of people on "our side"! I only saw a small group of about 5 antis and they were standing in the corner like scared mice. :neener:

    I was glad to see Don Dwyer by the door letting us know he is on our side. There may have been more, but he is the one I recognized. Let's all remember to thank the ones who stood up for us when everything is said and done. *crosses fingers*

    To the THR members I met today: Nice to meet you and hope to see you at the range! (Or plan another get-together)
     
  3. Norton

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    Girlwithagun:

    So the huge turnout projected by the anti's never appeared? Excellent:cool:





    3:15pm....no new news from the front....more as I get the info
     
  4. MikeK

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    Just got home a little while ago. Nice meeting you gwag, and the two boys. I don't think I could have handled them, but you're a little younger.

    The unofficial vote tally was 5 to 5 out of 11. Apparantly one came over to our side.

    State Police, Sheriffs and FOP all oppose the bill and testified so. One of the senators from Baltimore was the biggest Ahole I have ever heard. How did he get elected? Oh, that's right he's from Baltimore (Nothing against Baltimorians, I have some friends who live there.)

    The testimony may go on for a while. I may call the local tavern later and page some folks I know to learn the outcome.

    Met Cliff and Chaim (again), Jeepdriver, K-Romulus and identified Spot77 later, but didn't get a chance to chat. He switched suits on me.

    As soon as I hear more, I'll post.

    (Edited for anecdote)

    Chaim and I were standing in the lobby of the hearing room. He was wearing his yarmulke and Leah Barrett (MMM, ceasefire MD) must have thought he was a rabbi that was going to testify on their side and approched him. I guess he explained he wasn't on her side, but he sure could have had some fun with her.
     
  5. greyhound

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    Thanks for the update. Not to sound more dense than usual, but is 5 to 5 out of 11 good?

    And I must express surprise that the MSP, Sheriffs, and FOP all oppose the bill. I've been outspoken about the anti-gun nature of the MSP, maybe I was wrong. But I thought they were all for getting any gun possible out of the hands of any citizen, be they law abiding or criminal? Guess I was wrong, won't be the first time!
     
  6. Norton

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    The fact that these law enforcement agencies are coming out against the ban will be very good support for Erhlich. He said he would only support the ban if the state's law enforcement agencies came out in favor of it. The banners were making it well known that the Howard County Police/Sherrif were in favor of the ban....this may take some wind out of their sails.....
     
  7. MikeK

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    greyhound - I probably could have writen it better. Basicly the decision on the bill probably rests with one person. Supposedly as of this morning 4 were opposed, 5 were for and two were undecided.

    So 5 to 5 is better than 12 hours ago.

    Excerpts of the hearing will probably appear on WMPT (ch. 22) starting at midnight. They had a crew there. If they focus on any gunnies it will probably be the ONE guy dressed in camo as opposed to the 70 percent of guys in suits and women in dresses/slacks and the remainder in casual attire. They did film one boy ~ 11 sitting on the floor behind me wearing an 'I'm the NRA and I Vote' button. He was taking copious notes with the word 'EMOTION' written big enough for me to see it when the anti's were lying, I mean testifying.

    It's a cliffhanger. Though we all gave it a good shot.
     
  8. 00-Guy

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    Thanks to all who went, called, wrote, emailed or faxed.. Posted only to follow additional posts.
     
  9. BRONZ

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    Thanks for the update. To all who took the time to defend my right to bear arms I THANK YOU from the buttom of my heart. I also thank you for my 2 young sons. I just about have all I want, but its the next generation of gun cuture you are fighting for.

    My hats off to you. Hahza, Hahza, Hahza.

    I will keep making calls. TRIPWIRE advised to call all week. I will keep making the calls.
    :)
     
  10. greyhound

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    MikeK-

    No, you were there and I wasn't so my hat's off to you for keeping us updated.

    Yikes, this is close. Does anyone know how Haines from Carroll County stood? I can't believe a Carroll County pol could support gun grabbing.

    In any event, I just mailed another snail mail to Gov. Erlich urging veto if it gets that far. I can only hope not.

    Thanks one again to all those that could make it. I take it these things never happen on the weekend, but maybe next time I can take a personal day....
     
  11. chaim

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    I'm writing from school so I can't be here long (I'm taking Computerized Accouting so I can get online).

    Anyway, when I got there Girlwithagun was by the door and "recognized" me (it was the first we ever met- what gave me away :p ) and I talked with her for a moment before heading upstairs to the meeting room with MikeK who was also at the door. The crowd was huge- the overflow crowd in the hallway in front of the meeting room was shoulder to shoulder. Just going by those wearing pins we were probably 3 or 4 to 1 v. those without any identifiers or who were anti and I'm sure quite a few without any pins were on our side (heck, until the break when Scott/Spot77 gave me an extra pin I didn't have any) so I'd guess we were 4 or 5 to 1 v. actual antis.

    They first gave their people one hour then ours. The MSP spokesperson was the first to speak for us. He did ok (though I wasn't pleased by his support of all our current laws- they only oppose this one since "at this time it is unnecessary"), but the antis on the comittee kept him there for 45 minutes of our hour by asking unrelated questions (he's testifying on the MD AWB and he's being asked his opinion of the Federal ban sunset, other gun laws, etc. and they keep repeating their questions). After him we got two more people (Sanford Abrams of Valley Guns and the president of some MD gunstore prof association, and the spokesperson for the FOP)- they too were asked about unrelated laws and to their credit they didn't waste time and try to answer them, also the Balt. City Senator tried to paint Abrams as responsible for every "kid" killed in the city since he sells guns:banghead: .

    Then, after our three speakers (the other side when they testified earlier got far more than three), they took a 1 hr break to get to other business. Many people there on our side thought the repeated asking of unrelated questions of the MSP was to delay and keep too many of ours from talking before the break and I'm not sure they are wrong. The "break" went over an hour, and by the time it was done most of the crowd left- they may well have designed that to lower the pro-gun numbers for the cameras.:scrutiny:

    Mike, I am sorry I didn't come up with something better than a cold stare and a hard "no" for Ms. Barrett when she thought I was the Baltimore Hebrew Congregation (a local Reform synagogue) rabbi who was speaking. Oh well, maybe next time.

    Anyway, I should go, and that is pretty much all I have to add.



    edit:

    Almost forgot, when we returned from the break they decided to limit everyone to only 2 minutes and told us if we oppose the bill to simply state that and only give more testimony than that if we have something new to add:banghead: (please someone else who was inside the gallery at the time tell me I misheard)


    Ok, this time I mean it. I need to get back to my classwork so I'll be gone until class is over. I'll check back in a couple hours.
     
  12. JeepDriver

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    It was an interesting day.

    I agree the Senator from Baltimore was an ???????.

    I didn't know what to expect when I got there, as it was my first time at anything like that, but I glad I went. After seeing the way our goverment functions, I'm amazed anything gets done.
     
  13. MikeK

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    Chaim - no need to apologize. I never think of good comebacks until an hour or so later.

    But.........."Ms. Barrett I am sorry that I can no longer testify on behalf of your cause. After listening to the arguments I have been convinced that this bill is wrong. I will testify against it and urge my congregation to purchase assault rifles." might have gotten an interesting reaction.
     
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    LMAO. :evil:

    Good job guys, sorry I couldnt be there. :(

    Kharn
     
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    Just got back -stayed to the end

    Everything those guys said about the first "Session" is right.

    When the second go-round came, the anti-gun-owner crowd had about 6-9 more people to testify (including the rabbi - who was sitting near me and who I knew was probably not the red-headed THR'r we all know).

    When they were done, there were about another 6-9 anti-288 "scheduled" speakers, then they turned the floor over. I think there was a two minute rule for the first 20 or so people - luckily I was one of those 20. I got up and said what I had to say about the 2 versions of the bill: the PR "weapons of war" version, and the actual nuts and bolts text of the bill. I thought I had three minutes, but man, that bell went off pretty fast.

    I was able to get in how the bill text is way broader in terms of gun-banning than its proponents have been letting on. For instance, a "copycat" weapon is defined as anything that "can accept" (1) a magazine and (2) any of a host of "evil" features. The rub is that most semi-auto rifles can be retro-fitted with "evil stocks," and pretty much any semi-auto handgun can have a threaded barrel slapped into it. So, therefore, all of these types of firearms would be banned as "copycat assault weapons."

    I hope people were listenting. The bad part was that Frosh, Forehand, and Hughes(?) weren't there to hear our side of the second session.:rolleyes:
     
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    Sorry I missed the rest of you guys. Since there were so many guys there and only one Mom with two little boys, I left it up to everyone to find me. Hopefully we'll meet at a future shoot.
     
  17. Spot77

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    K rom: That was you? wow....sorry we didn't get to meet..... I was the one spouting how this bill divides the citizens of MD, eradicates a culture, etc. I was one of the ones cut down to speaking for just one minute.

    I was proud to state where I was from, since Senator Jimeno lives in my neighborhood. I needed him to know that his constituents oppose this.

    I left around 6:30. After being there fir 10 hours, I was one hungry and grumpy diabetic:D

    I was EXTREMELY proud to be there with the THR members and many of the other fine people I met - Sandy Abrams of Valley Gun, Lou from Shooters' Discount, Rose and Bob Holden....all fine people.

    As I heard it, the "Official" tally of pro SB288 people in attendance was 17. That's easily second or third hand info though....


    MikeK...I'm sorry we didn't get to meet either. I was sitting in the front row/right and didn't want to lose my seat, so I didn't get up for almost 8 hours.....I even sat through the other bills that were being proposed.

    KEEP SENDING THE EMAILS!!:fire: :fire: We're close to a victory....remember this was just a hearing so we still need to influence the vote!!!!


    Senator Hughes threw out the "But you're all baby killers and blood will fill the streets if we don't pass this bill" card. My favorite laugh came when he said, "Does the State Police care about the deaths of black babies in Baltimore City?"


    ....to which I would've replied, "No sir. MD State Police have no jurisdiction in Baltimore City per your City Council vote, remember?"

    I will be emailing like a fool tomorrow.....cuz MD THR'ers are ON FIRE!:fire:
     
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    "I hope people were listenting. The bad part was that Frosh, Forehand, and Hughes(?) weren't there to hear our side of the second session.'

    Doesn't matter anyway. They're all sponsors of SB288 and will NEVER vote against it.

    Frosh and Hughes are BIG ???????s.
     
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    Oh yes, I kind of enjoyed it when you, Lou and I were standing against a wall during "intermission" and the pimply faced girl (college student?) there for a bill in front of another committee and wanted to know why all these guys were there with NRA pins on (I guess we were the friendliest looking of the dozens of guys she could have gone to). I don't think any of us had the energy to debate or educate at that moment but I found it humorous somehow- though it was mixed, she told us she is for guns and likes the NRA but the AWB is the one gun control bill/law she is for:rolleyes: . It was also pretty cool to meet Mr. Abrams- I think he too thought I was that Reform rabbi (actually I'm pretty sure he knew I wasn't, especially since I had your NRA pin by then, but he used it to open the conversation).

    All in all, I actually enjoyed it and I wasn't pleased I had to leave early. I wish I could have testified as well, but knowing I had to leave by 5 and how crowded it was I knew I couldn't. The whole thing was kind of energizing- watching the wheels of government rolling makes me think even more about laying the groundwork to move into politics in the next few years.
     
  20. RM

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    Baltimoresun.com now has an article online about today's hearings which will be in Wednesday's paper. Thanks to all of you who were able to attend today and did attend. I greatly appreciate it. Whose is the Senator from Baltimore who was a real a-hole? Why do you think so many police departments opposed the bill? I was quite surprised by that. Do you think that is Erlich's influence? Can someone suggest a list of which legislators we should continue to call or email?
     
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    hughes?

    Is that him? Is he a bigger a$$ than New jersey's Corzine? Now THERE'S a real conceited a-ring!
    C-
     
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    Here is a link to the article RM referenced: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-guns0210,0,3371998.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

    and the article:

     
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    Here's an article from WBAL TV's website:

    http://www.thewbalchannel.com/politics/2837724/detail.html

    Yes, the Baltimore City Senator is Hughes. There is a good description in the article about the exchange between him and Mr. Abrams (well, a shortened description that doesn't begin to represent how insulting Sen. Hughes was to Mr. Abrams and really to all gun sellers and owners).
     
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    Some tranisitional phase my therapist keeps talkin
    That oughtta motivate folks. Let's cut these prigs and the VPC/Brady bunch off at the knees.

    Keep'em coming, folks.


    Judicial Proceedings Committee
    Brian E. Frosh ,Chair (410) 841-3124, (301) 858-3124
    brian_frosh@senate.state.md.us

    Leo E. Green ,Vice-Chair (410) 841-3631, (301) 858-3631
    leo_green@senate.state.md.us

    James Brochin (410) 841-3648, (301) 858-3648
    jim_brochin@senate.state.md.us

    Jennie M. Forehand (410) 841-3134, (301) 858-3134
    jennie_forehand@senate.state.md.us

    Robert J. Garagiola (410) 841-3169, (301) 858-3169
    rob_garagiola@senate.state.md.us

    John A. Giannetti, Jr. (410) 841-3141, (301) 858-3141
    john_giannetti@senate.state.md.us

    Larry E. Haines (410) 841-3683, (301) 858-3683
    larry_haines@senate.state.md.us

    Ralph M. Hughes (410) 841-3656, (301) 858-3656
    ralph_hughes@senate.state.md.us

    Nancy Jacobs (410) 841-3158, (301) 858-3158
    nancy_jacobs@senate.state.md.us

    Philip C. Jimeno (410) 841-3658, (301) 858-3658
    philip_jimeno@senate.state.md.us

    Alex X. Mooney (410) 841-3575, (301) 858-3575
    alex_mooney@senate.state.md.us


    If we kill this POS from a HUGE liberal state now, the VPC/Brady bunch won't have a leg to stand on when the Federal Ban comes around for review.

    Just food for thought.
    S.
     
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    The Sunpapers states that 5 Senators are on record as for the ban and 5 opposed. I know some, but could someone please list which side each Senator is on? It would help me with emails.
     
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