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Mexican soldiers crossing the U.S. border (merged multiple threads)

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Deadman, Jan 21, 2006.

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  1. Deadman

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  2. telomerase

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    Wow, that's great footage. Think what would happen if anyone ever got footage of US soldiers crossing into another nation.
     
  3. rick_reno

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    Aren't these Minutemen the people President Bush called "vigilantes"? What are they doing filming friendly soldiers from a good neighbor country crossing the border? No doubt trying to stir up trouble - or make the Bush administation appear incompetent.

    Maybe these soldiers were lost,maybe they're guest workers looking for jobs. Whatever the reason, I'm sure Chertoff will have an explanation that justifies it
     
  4. Biker

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    Christ Rick, give a guy a break! They're just doing the jobs that Americans won't do!
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  5. longeyes

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    You guys are cynics. These are just cooperative military exercises of two neighboring states.:cuss:
     
  6. Standing Wolf

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    I'm sure Jorge Bush has a plan for this: press releases, probably, or perhaps even a snide remark about vigilantes in an important speech.

    Nothing to worry about.
     
  7. Biker

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    Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande....Move along...
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    Probably wave flags and stick yellow ribbon magnets on the back of their cars...
     
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    Maybe it's a friendly fashion statement...just showing us what our next-gen military uniforms, hecho en Mejico, will look like?:D
     
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    How can you guys tells these are Mexican Army and how can you tell which side of the border they are on?:confused:
     
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    Oh, you mean like the bombing bystealth aircraft and the subsequent invading of Panama by Seals, Rangers, and other groups and kidnapping Manuel Noriega because he was tried in the US on drug trafficking charges?

    When the US thinks such a violation of the borders of other countries is okay, they do things like giving the operation a catchy name to help justify the effort. We called that invasion "Just Cause." The US used our military to perform a military invasion and overthrow of Noriega via kidnapping under the guise that Noriega broke US drug laws via his activities that were not in the US. Bottom line, that was an act of war of one country on another.

    That was in 1989. In 1983, the US invaded Grenada, an island nation that the British considered as one of their commonwealths. Thatcher specifically told Reagan not to interfere, and yet the US invaded Grenada in an act of war against the pro-soviet forces that were attempting to take over the country.

    How about the recent military invasion of Afghanistan, not with Afghanistan's permission, under the guise of searching for terrorists?

    Don't get me wrong. I think all of the military actions by the US were fine in that they protected US interests. HOWEVER, the point to this thread is that while some of us feel indignation that some nasty people in the military of Mexico can cross the border into the US is pretty silly sort of indignation given the US seems quite comfortable with invading other countries without their permission. The US doesn't have a great track record of respecting borders either. Heck Pershing's pursuit of Pancho Villa into Mexico is a classic.
     
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    An anser to El Tejon

    (1) Mexican Army.....Wild guess....I dunno...maybe the uniforms, vehicles, weapons???

    (2a) Uh...because the guys with the cameras were on our side of the border watching for people to come across ???

    (2b) If anybody from the US was on Mexican soil with a camera like this, they'd be doing 10 years in a Mexican prison??
     
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    Thats a rather strange statement, Double Naught. I did not see your particular point articulated by the thread starter at all. That led me to believe that we were to draw our own conclusions. Yours are pretty clear.

    It must be okay for other countries to cross our border at will because we invaded Mexico after several Americans were killed in cold blood?
     
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    They don't speak english

    There is a fence.
     
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    Rick Reno wrote:
    No, they do that well enough on their own.:(
     
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    This is great that the Minutemen project is releasing video like this for everyone to see. It's interesting, and I think it adds to the claims by many that the Mexican military is doing "something" around our borders. For those who may say it could by anyone, well I am not sure why then an armed drug cartel member posing as a military soldier would just then show up in front of the Minutemen fully revealing who he is to the camera, and talk to them.

    Anyway they were obviously looking for "something" or "someone" and did not like the scrutiny of the camera. It certainyl makes people wonder. It can't be fun being out in the middle of the country faced with that many auto-rifles being told they can't be there. Power to them for staying and filming it. This certainly is a powder keg situation.
     
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    Sorry, I don't see the Mexican soliders steaping across the boarder. They came up to the fence, only to investgiate the camera crew. No big deal. For all we know they might have been doing manuvers near by or looking for drug trafficers.
     
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    Yeah, no big deal. Foreign army doing manuvers on our soil

    :scrutiny:

    Oh, and to Double Naught..I don't think Hitler gave us an invite to Germany, but we went anyway
     
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    No they are on Mexican soil. I do not see them in the video actually crossing the Boarder.
     
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    Those appear to be mexican uniforms, Mexican serial # on the Hummwv below the door. Total lack of discipline among the troops, lack of any uniformity. Looks like the Mexican Army to me.
     
  21. Art Eatman

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    Depends on which unit of the Mexican military, and where along the U.S. border these "patrols" come across. It is commonplace within the drug-smuggling world for the narcotrafficantes and military officers to work together to protect shipments.

    In some areas, it's military guys who help harvest locally-grown Mary Jane. A little extra pay for the buck privates. The "mordida" gets spread out quite a bit.

    Back when Pablo Acosta ran the "plaza" in Ojinaga (across the border from Presidio, Texas), he had local military cooperation. At a minimum, they just ignored his activities.

    Folks keep making the mistake of thinking the narcotrafficantes corrupted Mexico. Actually, the high-up politicos regard the narcotrafficantes as cash cows, and sell protection...

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    Don't be fooled by the "casualness" of the encounter at the border fence. The Mexicans are gathering intel as to the make up of these "Anglo, Racist, Vigilantes in the United States."
     
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    I think that is definitely the truth. Has Mexico EVER had a good government? Maybe the one with the Constitution of 1824, but that didn't last long.
     
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    Where was this border crossing supposed to be......unless there was somthing i didnt notice and maybe it was the camera angle or postioning but i couldnt tell near those houses.......
     
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    That fence is about 500 yards INSIDE the US acording to the article that went with the video.

    http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/article.php?sid=40

    From the article:

    Chris Simcox and a group of Civil Defense Corps volunteers encountered a squad of approximately eight armed Mexican soldiers about 500 yards inside American territory.​

    So the fence in the distance is the border and the fence that is close in the video is 500 yards inside the US border.
     
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