MI: Possible Armed Standoff in the Making

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Subject: MILITIA ALERT FOR MICHIGAN - CONDITION CRITICAL
Sitrep-Barkley Residence (Michigan)


Rick Stanley, Constitutional Activist, former U.S. Senate candidate, Enemy of
the State, and self avowed extremist on the order of our forefathers of America,
gave the following media update on the Boyne, Michigan Militia Alert:



From: "Milo" <[email protected]>

Subject: Sitrep-Barkley Residence (Michigan)

CONDITION CRITICAL
Judge Richard May, Presiding Judge of the 90th District Court, denied the
Demand For Ex Parte Order submitted to him on Monday afternoon. The
Barkleys were faxed a copy of his Opinion & Order late this afternoon.
Judge May could have rescinded his order pending an appeal to the Circuit
Court, or issued a Stay Of Execution. He did neither. In fact his actions
have escalated the situation. This can only indicate his resolve to resort
to the use of force, and avoid allowing additional time to reach a peaceful
solution. The Appeal to the Circuit Court has been drawn up and is ready to
be submitted on the morning (9-17-03). Judge May has ordered that the
Barkleys submit a bond of $7,800.00 (fine) prior to his approval to have the
matter moved to the Circuit Court. The Barkleys do not have this kind of
money. Both Mr. Barkley and his wife, who is a co-defendant, are indigent
and disabled. The appeals will be filed with the Courts, the attorneys for
Bay Twp. and Charlevoix County Building & Zoning, as well as a copy given to
Sheriff Lassiter, first thing in the morning. Although these parties have
to accept the Appeal documents, they will probably not act on them because
of the inability of the Barkleys to pay the bond (fine). As I write, a
dedicated patriot is drawing up a motion to declare the Barkley's indigent,
and also a request to waive the bond and get an emergency hearing. We hope
to get these documents included with the Notice of Appeal in the A.M. By
his actions, Judge May has shown nothing but contempt for the lives and
well-being of the Barkley family and their children, as well as contempt for
the Constitution itself. He is ultimately responsible for what takes place
very shortly. It is all boiling down to "if you don't have lots of money"
you cannot appeal. The Chickenhawks have raised the ante, If nothing
positive occurs in the morning, their hand needs to be called.

STANLEY NOTE: I spoke with Lyle Barkley tonight. While unhappy with Judge
May's decision, he is still vowing to defend his property. I told him the Pact
would defend his position, regardless of what he decided. There are other
legal maneuvers to be tried in the Court but the hour is drawing to a close.
The Pact is at 690 members now after gaining some today, and losing one to
resignation, and one was removed as a provacatuer and disruptive influence.
There are more coming out of the woodwork as this gets closer. They have no
intention of coming on the trip to defend, so they are trying to disrupt. Still
have a few quiet sleepers but time will tell, as it always does. The only
damage is to that little old lightning rod, Rick Stanley, who is used to it.
Any member dealing with a Chuck Geshlider of Texas, be advised he is the ex-Pact
member relieved of his committment to the Pact, and the Pact has no recognition
of him, from this evening on. One less provacatuer to deal with. We welcome
all provacatuers to the Pact so that they may be exposed for the scum and
traitors that they are to America, the real America. We will delight in their
exposure. I will take personal pleasure in the exposures.

I understand from talking with Lyle tonight that two more militia's from
Michigan have committed to the defense of the Barkley property. One with weapons
and one without. I guess they are going to throw dirtclods at the sheriffs.
Just kidding folks. They will decide in their own time what is the proper
response to an attack upon the Barkleys. I believe per Lyle that these are a
southern Michigan group and an eastern Michigan group. No numbers have been
mentioned as to what they can bring to the Barkley table. I understand another
Militia group from Michigan is offering their services, the Michigan Wolverines
of Commander Clint Dare. No knowledge of acceptence by the Barkleys of their
offer made through a local newspaper as of today.

The Pact remains committed to the Barkley defense and remains on PRELIMINARY
ALERT for the Barkley Militia Alert.

Rick Stanley

Information and application to join the Pact is at Rick Stanley's Constitutional
Activism website at www.stanley2002.org. Rick's email address is
[email protected], and can be reached by phone at 303-329-0481 or by fax at
303-329-0498.

Long live the fighters.

FREEDOM IS NOT FREE! LIVE FREE OR DIE!! LIBERTY IN OUR LIFETIME!!
 
:what: Ok, now somebody reasonable & knowlegable read between the lines here so I can figure out what is actually going on with this situation. I really don't want this thing hung around the necks of America's gun owners, but as a property owner I do find myself ?a bit sympathetic with these poor fools. Is Jim Marsh available? Jim?
 
Whats the legal rationale to require a $7800 "bond", in order to file an appeal for this type of case?

I've heard this tactic used by local speed traps to release out-of-town speeders (bond amount equals fine).

This amount sounds abusive and excessive, for this type of case. Respect for legal authority takes another hit.
 
I don't have my Michigan Constitution handy right now, I looked on the internet but couldn't find the 1963 Michigan Constitution, Bill of Rights. I do know that Indiana's Bill of Rights, Article I, Section 12 states, "All courts shall be open, and every person , for injury done to him in his person, property, or reputation, shall have remedy by due course of law. Justice shall be administered FREELY, and without purchase , completely, and without denial; speedily, and without delay."

I wonder if Michigan's Bill of Rights states anything like that?
 
I'm tired of bull???? artists like Stanley. How about exposing him and his kind?
What are his motives? Is he a mental case, emotionaly carried away, or a paid agitator?
Call and e-mail him. Tie up his comm.
 
If he were a paid agitator, he'd probably know it's "bona fide" and not "bonafied." I'd go with "idiot," one who may be well-intentioned but is an idiot nevertheless.
 
Well,

It certainly is an interesting thread.

Here's a gross oversimplification.

*If* one postures that they'll give up their guns "after they pry them
from your cold,dead fingers" Many folks on this board will rallye
to their call and make a lotta noise. (Many folks sincerely. Please
continue to show tolerance while I make a point).

Facts are, that since the federal firearms act way back then,
the "gubbmint" has been taking guns, and no one is playing
the "cold,dead fingers" card. As I have stated elsewhere, that
card will not be played out. "They" won't have to come for your
guns. The figurative "you" will give them up after fuming about
it a bit. Facts is facts.

*If* someone hints at an actual "cold,dead fingers" scenario for real,
many folks gang up and start raving that this someone is
a lunatic and is intrinsicly evil.

Back in the days of netiquette; the rules of debate included that the first
party to play the Hitler/Stalin/Mao card lost.

However, this debate rule got buried a long time ago, so we have to
read through it anyway.

That said, There was ONE supreme court ruling that applies directly
to the 2nd. US vs Miller. The supremes found in favor of the 2nd.
Read the ruling. All gun laws are unconstitutional, period. However, we
continue to accept them.

We The People have a right to keep and bear arms. The State exercises
authority over that right with CCW. The State sets up a permission
program by stating authority over the right, and We The People pony
up and defer to the State's authority, in essence negating any claim to
the Right.

This hasn't been tested in court, and about the only outfit that
has the wherewithall to push the issue is the NRA, and they won't
touch it with a fork.

A lot of bitterness is being tossed Stanley's way. Deserved? Yeah, probably.
But last time I checked, being wierd to the point of being under extraterestrial
control was protected by the 1st Amendment.

But this particular issue isn't really about Stanley, this is about some feller
with some house trailers that belong to him, on his own land, that the
local authorities don't like.

Face it, unless you have a whole lot of financial resources, or are really
corrupt and have no honor at all, you can't fight City Hall. This is a truism
as old as civilization.

So, instead you get a regular feller who has had it. Is playing the
"cold,dead fingers" card.

Personally, I think it is posturing. Probably spent too many evenings
listening to Alex Jones on the short wave and not enough evenings
doing his taxes.

So, where is the Governor? Where is this higher legal authority?
Why isn't the State stepping in and mediating this problem? This
fellow thinks he has no recourse. In practical reality (the same
practical reality that gets us to go out and get CCW permits) he
really has no recourse but to let the State have it's way and give up.

That is wrong in my book. What would I do? I wouldn't have gotten
crossed up with the state in the first place. I'd have complied with
the order and muttered about it a lot down at the diner.

Just because this guy won't take this course, he's gonna get
in really big trouble. Is already in really big trouble.

How does this happen? Fact is, there are real problems with
way Jackson rebutted the supreme court all those long years ago.
There are real legal problems that led to the WV Mine Wars of
the 20s and 30s. There are real problems with all kinds of stuff.
Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City. Real, tangible problems.

As long as this type of thing goes unaddressed. You'll have Stanley's.
You'll have this kind of stand off.

But the really interesting thing, is what you will be labled as by
some of the members of this board if you find yourself on the wrong
side of a issue with the "Authorities", you'll be all alone. At least
Barkley has someone backing him up.
 
Well, today is the day of reckoning....it will be interesting to see what happens. When today does the time limit expire? 8pm est?
 
Where's the local news link for this story? Maybe a phone number for up to date information?
Facts are, that since the federal firearms act way back then, the "gubbmint" has been taking guns, and no one is playing he "cold,dead fingers" card. As I have stated elsewhere, that card will not be played out. "They" won't have to come for your guns. The figurative "you" will give them up after fuming about it a bit
I regretfully agree.
 
I regretfully agree.


Well.....I can't speak for anyone else, however, I KNOW what my response will be. I suppose that's all that matters, just because your surronded by tyranny doesn't mean you have to submit to it.


What was that quote from Russia that went something like,

"As we sat there rotting in the camps, we sometimes wondered and pondered about whether things would have turned out differently had the government officals not known if they would be going home that night each time they went in to make an arrest. If we had resisted instead of simply submiting...."


Does that seem familiar to anyone? I would love to find the exact quote.
 
Blain --

And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? [...] The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!" -- A. Solzhenitsyn

pax
 
Looks as if crises has been averted......for now.

Sept 18th

Showdown Averted at Sunrise


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Lyle Barkley (left), his daughter Kim (holding her child), and her fiance Charles McClure, at today's meeting with Charlevoix County Sheriff George T. Lasater and Norman Olson of Alanson, senior advisor to the Michigan Militia. The meeting took place at 7 a.m. on the edge of the Barkleys' Camp Daggett Road property, which is the subject of Bay Township zoning dispute.

HORTON BAY - An armed confrontation in Bay Township over property rights was averted today when Charlevoix County Sheriff George T. Lasater held a sunrise meeting with Lyle Barkley and his daughter, Kim, on the edge of their property and promised not to take any action today to enforce a court order against them.

Lasater agreed to set up a meeting next week with the Barkleys, county prosecutor Mary Beth Kur, township and county officials, and Norman Olson, a senior adviser to the Michigan Militia Corps Wolverines and a pastor, to attempt to resolve the issues peacefully.

Barkley said he was satisfied with Lasater's offer of a meeting and promise not to take action against him. But he vowed that if no permanent resolution of the issues could be found and the county attempted to remove three disputed housing units, he would defend his property, his wife, Shirley, two children and six grandchildren living on the property, with arms.

Olson, who lives in Alanson, attended the hour-long meeting on Camp Daggett Road to support the Barkleys and act as an intermediary. The only other people at the roadside meeting were a sheriff's deputy, members of the media and Kim Barkley's fiancé, Charles McClure, 32.

Barkley and Olson said they were satisfied with today's meeting. "It bought us valuable time," Olson said.

Olson said he could not speak for the Michigan Militia or other groups which have vowed to send hundreds of armed members from around the country to the Barkley property should a confrontation occur.

"My advice to the militia is to hold off and look for the miracle that I know is going to happen," Olson said.

Clint Dare, the commander of the Michigan Militia who initiated the meeting with Lasater, failed to appear as scheduled as a result of car problems on his trip from southern Michigan to the Barkley property.

The dispute drew national attention when Barkley declared last week that he would not move three manufactured housing units from his property, as demanded by township zoning officials backed by a district court order.

On Wednesday, District Judge Richard May waived the appeal bond, which amounted to $7,800 today and was set to increase by $100 a day, because all three of the Barkleys had filed an affidavit of indigency.

At the same time, circuit judge Richard Pajtas waived the $100 filing fee for the Barkleys to appeal May's order to remove two 12-by-60 foot trailers and a 29-by-34 foot former portable school house from his property by the end of today.

Janet Potter, the district court administrator, said further legal action against Barkley pursuant to May's Aug. 28 enforcement order was in the hands of township officials.

She said the township would have to hire movers to remove the disputed housing, and any arrest would have to come from a petition from the township officials to Judge May to issue a warrant for Barkley's arrest.

At the roadside meeting today, Olson asked Lasater if Judge Pajtas "was eager to get this thing settled, just as we are?"

"I think he will do what he can within his realm of responsibilities, but he will do his job, just as I will do my job," Lasater said.

Olson said, "I've said for the last several days that you're the key individual. You have the ultimate decision here, not the judge, not the court, as the highest law keeper in the land.

"If you have an unconstitutional order before you, you have the right to either set it aside and say 'There's something wrong with justice here.' You need to look at it again."

"My question to you is if this comes to a worst case conclusion, can you look back and say it was worth it all and you just did your duty? Can you rest for the rest of your life with that on your record?" Olson asked.

Lasater responded: "I can simply say that's not going to happen as far as we're concerned. That scenario will not happen. We have reasonable people here, including Lyle, and I think that if we sit down we can hopefully come to some conclusion."

Turning to Barkley, he said: "You agree you're not going to be arrested. You have my word on that. I suggest we set up another meeting, somewhere that's mutual in agreement."

Olson told Barkley: "If he's a man of his word, I will say I trust him as far as what he says before this listening audience here."

Barkley responded: "I'm willing to work this thing out, and have been willing to work it out peacefully all along."

Lasater said, "We're not going to instigate anything."

Olson said: "It's what you say and what you do and what the law enforcement people do and what the government officials do - that will determine the response of people who are supporting Mr. Barkley.

"And so we are reactive, responsive, defensive. We are not going to initiate anything that's going to cause these people to be in harm's way, any more than they are already."

Barkley said he had changed his views on the role of prosecutor Kur in resolving the dispute.

"When I spoke to her the other night I got some sad news back and I was kind of irritated and I told her at that time I didn't think that she had the power to work with me, and she'd had three months to get into this thing, because the building department is involved, and Charlevoix County in this.

"But now my attorneys tell me she does have a lot more power than I expected, so maybe we can get together with her and can get some of this stuff resolved," he said.

Barkley said he was working to bring the three housing units up to code, and had nearly completed one major element, replacing aluminum electrical wiring with copper.

Fred Gray can be contacted at 439-9374, or [email protected].
 
The Truth about Rick:


Gentlemen,

This has truly been a rollercoaster ride. One minute everything is okay, the next minute we’re in trouble and heading for war.

We are no longer on that ride. New information has come to light that has changed the entire course of this situation. One thing that everyone should know, and if you don’t, I’m telling you now: always, I repeat, always be honest with your legal people.

Lyle Barkley has been duped and has been a victim of a predator. Through poor advise from Rick Stanley, he has repeatedly ignored the courts, ignored their mailings, ignored their orders to comply. Lyle is not a sovereign and was given advise by this Stanley as if he were. Because we did not know that he had not taken the necessary steps from the beginning, we filed paperwork that went in a wrong direction.

We found out about this just a couple of hours ago, through deeper probing. We are continuing to help Lyle and his family; however, we are not certain if he will be able to keep his mobile homes. Because of his contempt of court, he not only accrued the $800 mentioned in earlier posts, but $100 per day since July 10, 2003, totaling $7,600.

To file an appeal, Lyle needs the $7,600 to accompany the appeal. Obviously, he does not have it. Now, the legal team must explore other avenues. Tensions were high among the teams working hard, at trying to stop it peacefully and at planning to defend.

Gentlemen, I believe this should be a stand-down situation across the board. Again, we will continue to help him salvage what we can. Lyle’s only contact prior to this, with any patriots, was that of Rick Stanley through his website.

Lyle is a caring, gullible individual, who even now, wants to believe Rick was his friend, though he may lose quite a bit because of it.

I would like to make it formal, and firm, Rick Stanley is NOT WELCOME by the REAL patriots in Michigan. We love our patriot brothers and sisters across the nation. IMHO, Rick is NOT one of them.


This came direct from the source.This man has worked through several sleepless nights to bring this situation under control and prevent blood shed.
 
MicroBalrog wrote:
So basically good guys win for now...

My respect for Stanley is on a slow increase..
Um no. Not exactly. At this point in time, just about everyone is "the good guy." Except for Stanley.

He has apparently instigated this whole mess. Beginning with advising Lyle to ignore the courts. When things go south, as was to be expected, Stanley called for arms. Stanley even went so far as to state that "his" group would destroy the infrastructure of the township. He has stated to the Michigan Militia that he would not be under their leadership. He has called for open rebellion of the "authorities" by force of arms while others were working within the confines of the law to prevent such a needless tragedy.

This is not a man of honor. It is a man seeking headlines by whatever means he can. Go to the following blog and seriously read what's there.

http://lylebarkley.blogspot.com/

As with most blogs, to start at the beginning, you must scroll to the bottom and work upwards. Pay particular attention to the "alerts" Stanley posted there.

Also note that there is virtually nothing about the two groups that are on site and are furiously working with (and to some extent, in spite of) Lyle Barkley to stem any violence, by either side. One is an armed militia and another is a group of lawyers who work on militia matters.

What I have just written can be confirmed by doing a search for militia boards and reading what is really going down.
 
You found admiration for RS in something I said?:confused:

I'd better clarify.:)

I thought RS was a complete loser and was going to create bloodshed on a horrible level, deteriorating the situation.

Currently, this didn't happen, moreover, the situation improved slightly. This makes me doubt, note - doubt , not change my position on RS.
 
I'm sorry if I misunderstood.

The only reason that RS has stood down, is that he can no longer capitalize on the situation. Hard to make hay, when it was others that swathed and baled.
 
When I first heard of Rick's original gun case, I had a lot of admiration for him, for having the courage to do something like that. And, with his lawyer it seemed like he was on the right track.

Well, he must have snapped somewhere along the way, because this Michigan buisiness is just completely nuts. I think the guy has gone off the deep end.

Hey Sodbuster, you are fairly close to me. Well, close enough anyway. Shoot me a PM!
 
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