mil-spec/mil-surp newbie question

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anyone know where I might get a "down and dirty" tutorial on mil-spec guns? I mean something as simple as what "uppers" and "lowers" are. What would you reccomend for a new guy for a starter gun? I am just getting a little curious about these semi-auto's...I might end up with a mini 14 .223 for plinking, but wanted to explore this angle first...

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For military surplus guns (SKS, Mosin Nagants, Lee Enfields, etc.), you can find a ton of info at http://www.surplusrifle.com/rifles.asp. They also have some info on civilian AK lookalikes.

SKS's are great guns, and inexpensive (less than $200). The only downside is that it's not particularly easy to mount a scope on one.

Civvie AK lookalikes are great as well; they have built in siderail scope mounts that fit eastern european optics, which makes them a lot more shootable, IMHO (AK's have a very short sight radius, so it takes some practice to shoot one well with iron sights). They are probably the most reliable semiautos on the planet. Fit and finish on the less expensive models isn't as good as American made guns, though, but they all function fine. My main target/competition gun is an AK lookalike (Romanian SAR-1) with a Kobra electronic sight.

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?automodule=gallery&req=si&img=589

For AR-15 type rifles (which are not actually military weapons, though they have a lot of parts commonality with the M16), a good place to start is the Maryland AR-15 Shooters site at http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite.

"Lower" and "upper" usually refer to the AR-15, which is a modular rifle that splits into 2 pieces if you take out 2 takedown pins. The lower receiver, or "lower," consists of the grip, trigger assembly, magazine well, and shoulder stock, and is the serial numbered part. The upper receiver, or "upper," consists of the barrel, bolt, bolt carrier, handguards etc. Any optics will attach to the upper. You can own several uppers and one lower and swap them out if you want.

AR-15's are fantastic rifles, but they do require you to be somewhat more mechanically inclined than some other rifles do, I think, and they are quite pricey; on the other hand, they are very accurate and fun to shoot. If you go to http://www.rockriverarms.com/Catlist.cfm?Category=01, you can browse AR's in a bunch of different configurations and get an idea as to price. My favorite configuration would be a 16" barrel with the midlength handguards and gas system, like the Rock River Elite CAR A4.

Mini-14's are a little less accurate than the AR-15 platform, but are much simpler mechanically and are probably easier for a novice to maintain. Newer mini's reportedly offer better accuracy than the older ones; all new-production mini's, as well as older mini-14 Ranch Rifles, come with built-in scope mounts and scope rings. My first rifle was a mini-14, though I've since switched to a civvie AK lookalike.
 
How handy are you with moderately complex mechanical systems? If you are handy enough to adjust the brakes or shifter on a bicycle (with instructions), you are handy enough to take apart and maintain any of these, IMHO.

Having said that, of the 3 rifles (mini-14, AK, AR-15), the mini-14 is probably the least intimidating mechanically, the AK is slightly more complex (almost as simple as the mini), and the AR-15 is the most complex.

You can download instruction manuals for the three rifles at the following locations:

Ruger mini-14: http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/PDF/InstructionManuals/55.pdf

AK (SAR-1 and Vepr used as an example, but all work the same):
http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/SAROperationManual.pdf
http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/vepr.pdf

AR-15:
http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/manual_bushmaster.pdf
http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/manual_olyarms_ar.pdf

Look through those and you'll see what I mean. The AR is by far the most intricate and has slightly more complex controls, and takes a bit more mechanical ability to take apart and put back together. The AR is also a bit more temperamental, in that it is more likely to jam when dirty or unlubricated than the mini and AK.

The AR is the easiest of the three to shoot well; has by far the best iron sights of the 3, if you're not going to be using optics; and is the most accurate. The AK and mini-14 offer somewhat less accuracy, but still decent once you get used to the rifle. All 3 are easy to mount optics on (assuming you get an AR with an optics rail instead of a fixed carry handle), and you can buy optics for the AR and mini at Wal-Mart (AK optics will probably have to be mail-ordered).

Without optics, the AK is definitely the hardest of the 3 to shoot well, due to the short sight radius. However, I have a Kobra on mine, which makes it much more user-friendly. It is not inherently less accurate than the mini, IMHO, but in the hands of a newbie it probably will be, as the sights are not particularly user friendly.

Good magazines are very easy to find for the AR and AK pretty much anywhere, somewhat harder for the mini. Ruger only sells 5-rounders, so you have to hunt for aftermarket mags that work well. They're out there, though, and THR can point you toward vendors of mags that work.

The AK recoils a bit more sharply than the mini-14 and AR-15, but it's still mild as rifles go.

For someone who is new to firearms, the mini-14 would probably be the easiest to get up to speed on. If you don't like the straight stock, you can get pistol grip stocks and folding stocks (I had a Butler Creek folder on my mini). The AK isn't hard to learn to operate and maintain, but may take time to learn to shoot well. The AR is most challenging from a mechanical and operation standpoint, but probably the easiest to learn to shoot well.

The SKS is roughly as complex as the AK and a little easier to shoot, but is bigger and heavier than the above 3, and the magazine is non-detachable.

The bolt-action milsurps are EXTREMELY simple to operate and maintain (to "disassemble" a Mosin-Nagant, you merely open the bolt, hold the trigger down, and slide the bolt out of the back of the receiver, and you're done), but they recoil a LOT harder than the mini-14, AK, or AR, which may make them harder to learn to shoot well since the recoil can be intimidating. Some of them are dirt cheap, though.

Hope this helps!
 
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