GunnyUSMC
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Get you a few Turkish Mausers, I have a few.
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Clark
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I have 34 turks.
That would be $800 total in 2001 dollars per the Century Arms 4/$100 delivered with bayonets and right of refusal deal.
My Turks are probably worth twice that now.
Meanwhile my Amazon stock is worth 100 times as much now over the same period, and takes up less space.
Sporterizing Mausers... you have to WANT to do it.
That would be $800 total in 2001 dollars per the Century Arms 4/$100 delivered with bayonets and right of refusal deal.
My Turks are probably worth twice that now.
Meanwhile my Amazon stock is worth 100 times as much now over the same period, and takes up less space.
Sporterizing Mausers... you have to WANT to do it.
Geebuz Gunny, you outfitting the local militia? Or is that what the Nagants are for
dh1633pm
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My brother in law who was a CEO and on the board of directors of multiple companies gave me advice on investing. He said 1/3 of investment should be in things I can see and touch. Guns fits the bill. I have a good amount of surplus firearms and looking for more. Need a P17 to finish out my American collection. I don't shoot most of them, but collect them nether the less. The ones I shoot the most are the M39, my Enfield, Krag, 1903A3, and Garand. Collect what you like. Sell what you don't to get what you do.
Clark
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In 1963 I took my 50 cents/week allowance, saved up, and bought a $2 Shooter's bible. It shows the retail price for most guns that year.
If you go to the gun shows and pawn shops, you probably have a feel for what guns are worth today.
I have derived a simple formula for compounded interest rate for a scientific calculator,
You may have to do 2nd y to the x to get a root.
% = 1- [root number of years[$now/$then]]x100
If I do this, almost all gun are 3% compounded, over 10 years, 50 years, or 100 years.
That is the same 3% rate for name brand guitars and ounces of Gold.
It is background inflation.
There are two exceptions I see in the 500 page book. Colt revolvers are more like 6%. Mossberg 16 gauge bolt action shotguns are more like 1.5%
There is an illusion about the appreciation of bolt action surplus rifles. When Century or whoever are importing them, that year they may want to sell 10,000 of them.
If we look at a supply / demand curve we can see that the demand price is high for low volumes and low for high volumes. After they stop importing a surplus bolt action rifle, it is only available on the secondary market. There will be a dozen at the gun show and a dozen on Gunbroker. It seems to double in price overnight. The value of that rifle is going to change over time, and will find it's way to the 3% compounded exponential slope. That curve may not point back to exactly the import year price, but the looking forward slope will be right on 3%.
I don't consider 3% growth on guns to be an investment. That is so low, it is more like paying rent for me.
If you go to the gun shows and pawn shops, you probably have a feel for what guns are worth today.
I have derived a simple formula for compounded interest rate for a scientific calculator,
You may have to do 2nd y to the x to get a root.
% = 1- [root number of years[$now/$then]]x100
If I do this, almost all gun are 3% compounded, over 10 years, 50 years, or 100 years.
That is the same 3% rate for name brand guitars and ounces of Gold.
It is background inflation.
There are two exceptions I see in the 500 page book. Colt revolvers are more like 6%. Mossberg 16 gauge bolt action shotguns are more like 1.5%
There is an illusion about the appreciation of bolt action surplus rifles. When Century or whoever are importing them, that year they may want to sell 10,000 of them.
If we look at a supply / demand curve we can see that the demand price is high for low volumes and low for high volumes. After they stop importing a surplus bolt action rifle, it is only available on the secondary market. There will be a dozen at the gun show and a dozen on Gunbroker. It seems to double in price overnight. The value of that rifle is going to change over time, and will find it's way to the 3% compounded exponential slope. That curve may not point back to exactly the import year price, but the looking forward slope will be right on 3%.
I don't consider 3% growth on guns to be an investment. That is so low, it is more like paying rent for me.
I think your math may be a bit off....gold in 63 was around $30 an oz....today bounces around $1100 an oz....same with guitars, something else I know about.
Gunz are a bit of a less risk over stocks.....just ask that guy that bought a ton of Kmart stock in the mid 60's.....and it was rated down to zero. Screw the stock market.
You are going to do much better if you had bought Winchester levers back in the 60's vs about any stock....and you actually hold something.
You can say the same thing about Walmart....a few years ago you would have quoted Walmart stock as they being in the news as the up and coming company...today it is amazon.....now walmart is on the way down closing stores right and left and amazon is on the way up.....did you ditch your walmart for amazon....doubt it.....and amazon is one EU action away from getting its butt kicked....good luck.
Gunz are a bit of a less risk over stocks.....just ask that guy that bought a ton of Kmart stock in the mid 60's.....and it was rated down to zero. Screw the stock market.
You are going to do much better if you had bought Winchester levers back in the 60's vs about any stock....and you actually hold something.
You can say the same thing about Walmart....a few years ago you would have quoted Walmart stock as they being in the news as the up and coming company...today it is amazon.....now walmart is on the way down closing stores right and left and amazon is on the way up.....did you ditch your walmart for amazon....doubt it.....and amazon is one EU action away from getting its butt kicked....good luck.
I enjoy carcano, if you get the correct sized bullet, and as far as I know only hornady offers one they are on par with any other bolt gun of the era. And the carbines I have are great shooters....I really enjoy them.
MAS 36 is really a fantastic rifle, and again unsung.
MAS 36 is really a fantastic rifle, and again unsung.
Clark
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fpgt72Member I think your math may be a bit off....gold in 63 was around $30 an oz...
Americans were not allowed to invest in Gold in 1963 and the $30/oz was regulated by the gov until 1971 when Nixon deregulated Gold.
The first stable period would be $400/ once in 1982.
% = 1- [2017-1982 root][$1164/$400] x100 = 3.1%
Americans were not allowed to invest in Gold in 1963 and the $30/oz was regulated by the gov until 1971 when Nixon deregulated Gold.
The first stable period would be $400/ once in 1982.
% = 1- [2017-1982 root][$1164/$400] x100 = 3.1%
GunnyUSMC
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That's just the Turks. I have 20 or more Enfields, nine Carcanos, over 50 Mosins, more then 30 more Mausers from other countries. And then there's the other odd rifles. It's getting hard to keep up with how many bolt gun I have, but it's been fun loosing count.Geebuz Gunny, you outfitting the local militia? Or is that what the Nagants are for
GunnyUSMC
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Here are a few to look for.
Turk 1893 without the cutoff box and pistol grip stock.
Turkish Reworked Gew98
K.KALE short rifle.
Italian 1891 TS Carbine
No1 MkIII Enfield
Spanish FR8
VZ24
You could just buy a bunch of fixer uppers.
Turk 1893 without the cutoff box and pistol grip stock.
Turkish Reworked Gew98
K.KALE short rifle.
Italian 1891 TS Carbine
No1 MkIII Enfield
Spanish FR8
VZ24
You could just buy a bunch of fixer uppers.
adcoch1
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Now I know where they all went!
Clark
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I have a MAS36 and try to ke ep it in original condition: unfired, but with one scratch when it was thrown down.
Riomouse911
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I have a K98 with a winter trigger guard
A Savage-made "U.S. Property" .303 Enfield #4 Mk1
I had a 1917, but it was sporterized before I bought it so I sent it away to a new owner...
And a Spanish Mauser in 7.62.
I try to shoot them when I can
A Savage-made "U.S. Property" .303 Enfield #4 Mk1
I had a 1917, but it was sporterized before I bought it so I sent it away to a new owner...
And a Spanish Mauser in 7.62.
I try to shoot them when I can
What nixon did was untie the dollar to gold....most people think that was a real bad idea. I think you are thinking of the FDR deal and gold, but make no mistake you could buy gold back in the day....I know my uncle had several gold coins back in the day....and from odd countries. Seemed he would get one with every paycheck. Not sure what happened to them after he passed....or where he got them....I was a young pup back then....but I do know he got coins pretty regular....He also did sliver, those in bars, but as I remember the gold was always a coin.
GunnyUSMC
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Your going to need a WWII No1 MkII.
Here is my 1944 Lihtgow.
But if you get a No1 you will need a No4.
Here's my Fazakerly No4 MkI.
Yugo M48s make great shooters.
Everyone ends up getting a Mosin 91/30. You should look for a US made M91 Mosin like this N.E.W (New England Westinghouse), US property markings are a plus.
But if you get a Mosin, you should get more then one.
Here is my 1944 Lihtgow.
But if you get a No1 you will need a No4.
Here's my Fazakerly No4 MkI.
Yugo M48s make great shooters.
Everyone ends up getting a Mosin 91/30. You should look for a US made M91 Mosin like this N.E.W (New England Westinghouse), US property markings are a plus.
But if you get a Mosin, you should get more then one.
FL-NC
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US pattern 17, M1903, M1903A3, M1903A4, Krag, USMC M40 sniper rifle, and Army M24 SWS, cause "Merica. If you like, some nazi mausers- cause we took them after the fight they lost.
Kaeto
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I have a:
Lee-Enfield No 4 Mk 1 1943 BSA
K-Kale Turkish Mauser 1943
I'd like to get an unmolested 1903A3, and a Swedish Mauser. My dad has an Obendorf Swede but it's been sporterized.
Lee-Enfield No 4 Mk 1 1943 BSA
K-Kale Turkish Mauser 1943
I'd like to get an unmolested 1903A3, and a Swedish Mauser. My dad has an Obendorf Swede but it's been sporterized.
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