Mini 14 kinda new to me

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I had a Ruger mini-14 that I sold just last year. They're nifty little weapons and I do like them -- but the MOA for the price point didn't seem worth it to me.

Since you say it hasn't been fired much, there's a common problem with these rifles where the weapon's trigger assembly will fall out when you're firing it (especially if you're doing so rapidly). This is particularly true on rifles that haven't been fired that much.

The reason is that the trigger guard acts as a spring-latch-clip. That clip is what's holding the entire trigger guard assembly in place. The percussion of rapid fire (or just plain firing) can result is dislodging this. Fortunately, it's a very easy fix. You can either send it to Ruger or sand the weapon. Just do so carefully so that you don't sand it too much and have to buy a new stock!

Most importantly, I'm sorry about your brother. :( I hope you're doing okay and that rifle helps you remember the time you two had together.

Common problem? I have owned and shot Mini 14s since the early 90s, and never heard of this being a problem.
 
I have owned and used Minis for over 30 years and literally never heard of this, not even once.

This has happened to me with literally every mini-14 I have ever owned. Some of which have had less than 200 rounds through them. It is a common problem, but you might not experience it if you don't fire rapid 3 round bursts of fire.

Funny owned mini's for quite a while and never had the trigger assembly fall out. I must not be doing it right. Where I am from they fall under the radar. They shoot reliably, handle well, accurate enough (my 6.8 SPC being extra accurate), and lend themselves to mods fairly easily. Most mods being swapped out gas bushings, trigger spring replacement, fitted firing pin (hair longer for military ammo), sights, handguard, struts, and stocks. My 6.8 has had its stock replaced with a Bell and Carlson, new barrel and gas block, pillar bedding, and trigger work. It works well. The mini 30 has had trigger work and a new firing pin fitted as well as a new stock. The Mini 14 has a laminate stock that looks nice enough and feels great in the hand.

Common problem? I have owned and shot Mini 14s since the early 90s, and never heard of this being a problem.


Are these new mini 14s or older ones? Ruger has had some serious quality control problems over the last five years. In the last 3 ruger purchases I've made, all have had serious malfunctions.

1. Ruger Mini-14 trigger assembly falls out (I'm not making this up. It really is a common problem: https://www.google.com/search?q=rug...7j0i22i30l3.5659j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)

2. Ruger Security Six (bicentennial model) malfunctioned when I was shooting .357 out of it. I took it back to the gun store and they said parts were missing.

3. Brand new Ruger LC9s firing pin broke the first time I took it out to shoot it within 2 magazines. I was furious.

Just in case you guys think I'm off my rocker, the last one was caught on camera because I was recording it with my gopro. Ruger fixed my LC9s and I carry it to this day, but mainly because I don't have the money to shell out for a different handgun. I've spent a lot of time reading up on this and Ruger has been having some serious issue with some of their more recently manufactured weapons.
 
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Just in case you guys think I'm off my rocker,

I don't think you're crazy but, for whatever reason, I'm starting to believe you're anti-Ruger. Regarding the trigger assembly falling out of a Mini-14 with regularity, I've shot them extensively for decades and never had one come out; I'm not even sure how it's possible if the rifle hasn't been tampered with.
 
If you're going to tear it all the way down, you might want to look at getting a reduced size gas bushing or gas bushing set, and a new set of gas block screws.

Changing out the gas bushing for a smaller one reduces the slamming around the action which actually makes the gun a lot nicer to shoot. And realigning the gas block can sometimes make the gun shoot more accurately.
I recommend getting new gas block screws cuz I've never gotten them out without damaging them

Best advice so far. Smaller gas bushings make a big difference. I have had excellent service from the 20 round Pro-Mag magazines. I have 9 of them and never a single hang up or misfeed. Maybe pick up a spare firing pin. These are supposed to be the best you can get. Hurry and buy one they keep getting more and more expensive. When I first found them they were $45. Now they want $67 for them. Sheesh!

https://www.firingpins.com/ruger-mini-14-firing-pin-2470
 
The reason is that the trigger guard acts as a spring-latch-clip. That clip is what's holding the entire trigger guard assembly in place. The percussion of rapid fire (or just plain firing) can result is dislodging this. Fortunately, it's a very easy fix. You can either send it to Ruger or sand the weapon. Just do so carefully so that you don't sand it too much and have to buy a new stock!

That seems to be counterintuitive. The stock fit should be tight when you can the trigger guard shut. Making that fitting loose could theoretically cuase the situation you describe if the assembly was loose to begin with, where I think you would want to shim it until a tight fit. The guard should not be easy to pull open. It should be solid and require inserting a tool into the hole drilled in the trigger guard to pry it open.
 
I don't think you're crazy but, for whatever reason, I'm starting to believe you're anti-Ruger. Regarding the trigger assembly falling out of a Mini-14 with regularity, I've shot them extensively for decades and never had one come out; I'm not even sure how it's possible if the rifle hasn't been tampered with.

For full clarity, I am not anti-Ruger and actually suggested my girlfriend pick up the LCP II for a carry weapon (she's very small and recoil sensitive). It has just been in my experience that every Ruger I have owned personally has malfunctioned. That is not the case for literally any other rifle that I have owned or used -- including those from Century Arms. And like I said, there are hundreds (if not thousands) of people online complaining about trigger assemblies falling out of their Ruger Mini-14s. I posted a link if you're skeptical, so obviously I am not making this one up!

Ive put quite a lot of rounds through minis and never had a trigger fall out. Many times rapid firing. Just my experience.

I doubt anyone could shoot one faster than mine.



Trigger guard has never fallen out.

Anyone who’s trigger guard falls out upon firing most likely reassembled the rifle incorrectly.


The only thing I will say is that, after further research, this common problem tends to be only the case for wooden stocks. I can't tell from your video, but it appears as if that is a synthetic stock. Are you guys all shooting out of a synthetic one? That right there would likely solve the entire mystery.

Also, I certainly did not assembly the rifle incorrectly, and I highly doubt that every single person having this problem has somehow managed to reassemble the rifle in such a fashion that it operates just fine, but rapid fire somehow results in the trigger assembly falling out. I'm not sure how you could even design a rifle that it would operate consistently and reliably but suddenly start having the trigger assembly fall out during bursts of rapid fire.

Again, I'm not arguing with you guys or thinking that you're lying to me -- but there are clearly tons of people who have owned these things over the last decade on Ruger forums, firearms forums, AR-15 forums, youtube, or other such locations that are all independently experiencing these problems. In fact, when I google "Ruger Mini-14 Trigger Assembly" Google's intellisense suggests "falls out" or "keeps falling out."

In my case, the Ruger I had these issues with I actually purchased brand new back in 2019 (and paid a pretty penny for it!). When I experienced this problem, I told the FFL I sold it to exactly why I was selling it. He confirmed to me that this is an issue that is common and typically resolved by sanding the wooden stock down or purchasing a synthetic one. The research I've conducted online seems to be pretty consistent that this is how multiple people solved this problem.



That seems to be counterintuitive. The stock fit should be tight when you can the trigger guard shut. Making that fitting loose could theoretically cuase the situation you describe if the assembly was loose to begin with, where I think you would want to shim it until a tight fit. The guard should not be easy to pull open. It should be solid and require inserting a tool into the hole drilled in the trigger guard to pry it open.

I'm unsure specifically about what part needs sanded but you're more than welcome to look this up online if that would help. There's no shortage of people who are suggesting this fix.

Again, I don't want to derail the thread and I'm very happy that those of you here have had success with your Ruger Mini-14s. I don't gain anything from getting people to dislike Ruger -- like I said, their customer service was great. I also really wanted to like the min-14 because it's a lot more convenient in my state to hunt groundhog with it than a "big black scary AR-15."

It's just generally understood that this is a common problem with these rifles and a lot of people are independently experiencing it. It seems like the few folks here aren't having that issue, but I'd wonder if maybe you guys either:

1. Own rifles manufactured around the same time before this became an issue
2. All have synthetic stocks
3. Got yours used whereas an owner prior to you had already fixed this issue

I don't know but, again, it is a real thing that a lot of people experience.
 
Let's see those Mini-14's.

Here's mine:
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For full clarity, I am not anti-Ruger and actually suggested my girlfriend pick up the LCP II for a carry weapon (she's very small and recoil sensitive). It has just been in my experience that every Ruger I have owned personally has malfunctioned. That is not the case for literally any other rifle that I have owned or used -- including those from Century Arms. And like I said, there are hundreds (if not thousands) of people online complaining about trigger assemblies falling out of their Ruger Mini-14s. I posted a link if you're skeptical, so obviously I am not making this one up!





The only thing I will say is that, after further research, this common problem tends to be only the case for wooden stocks. I can't tell from your video, but it appears as if that is a synthetic stock. Are you guys all shooting out of a synthetic one? That right there would likely solve the entire mystery.

Also, I certainly did not assembly the rifle incorrectly, and I highly doubt that every single person having this problem has somehow managed to reassemble the rifle in such a fashion that it operates just fine, but rapid fire somehow results in the trigger assembly falling out. I'm not sure how you could even design a rifle that it would operate consistently and reliably but suddenly start having the trigger assembly fall out during bursts of rapid fire.

Again, I'm not arguing with you guys or thinking that you're lying to me -- but there are clearly tons of people who have owned these things over the last decade on Ruger forums, firearms forums, AR-15 forums, youtube, or other such locations that are all independently experiencing these problems. In fact, when I google "Ruger Mini-14 Trigger Assembly" Google's intellisense suggests "falls out" or "keeps falling out."

In my case, the Ruger I had these issues with I actually purchased brand new back in 2019 (and paid a pretty penny for it!). When I experienced this problem, I told the FFL I sold it to exactly why I was selling it. He confirmed to me that this is an issue that is common and typically resolved by sanding the wooden stock down or purchasing a synthetic one. The research I've conducted online seems to be pretty consistent that this is how multiple people solved this problem.





I'm unsure specifically about what part needs sanded but you're more than welcome to look this up online if that would help. There's no shortage of people who are suggesting this fix.

Again, I don't want to derail the thread and I'm very happy that those of you here have had success with your Ruger Mini-14s. I don't gain anything from getting people to dislike Ruger -- like I said, their customer service was great. I also really wanted to like the min-14 because it's a lot more convenient in my state to hunt groundhog with it than a "big black scary AR-15."

It's just generally understood that this is a common problem with these rifles and a lot of people are independently experiencing it. It seems like the few folks here aren't having that issue, but I'd wonder if maybe you guys either:

1. Own rifles manufactured around the same time before this became an issue
2. All have synthetic stocks
3. Got yours used whereas an owner prior to you had already fixed this issue

I don't know but, again, it is a real thing that a lot of people experience.
Ive had experience with multiple 190s and 581s, so my curiosity is piqued. It's something new to research.


Thanks!
 
20210218_185513.jpg Mine is 196 series stainless. It's been rapid fired a BUNCH with 5.56 and .223. Never had a problem with it. As mentioned, it's no tack driver, but it's decent even without accu-strut. As also has been mentioned, it spits cases into the next county. I have 10, 20, and 30 rd mags with it, all are metal.
 
View attachment 978981 Mine is 196 series stainless. It's been rapid fired a BUNCH with 5.56 and .223. Never had a problem with it. As mentioned, it's no tack driver, but it's decent even without accu-strut. As also has been mentioned, it spits cases into the next county. I have 10, 20, and 30 rd mags with it, all are metal.

And as noted, the stock is synthetic (to my original point).
 
And as noted, the stock is synthetic (to my original point).
Yes, and also not very new, mid to late 90's I think. Ruger has also let me down a couple times. New 5.56 had keeper pin in wrong on fire pin retainer, caused bolt not to function after two or three rounds. Gas block was also loose, ended up putting loc tite on it. All fine now.
 
Jo JO: Mine was about a '92 vintage serial #, had "State of KY" on the buttstock's torn silver sticker.

100% Perfect operation when I used at least 500-700 rds. of only Silver Bear (Russian) ammo in 2008. :cool: Very tight gun, nothing ever came loose. An OEM 20-rd. mag came with it - the only mag. I used.

The only reason I sold it was because the Enfield #5 Jungle Carbine Virus had just infected me, and also had a Mini 30 at the time (but 30s need a stronger hammer spring for Russian ammo).
Having in addition, an SKS meant that .223 ammo was superfluous.

Some LEOs carry Mini 14s :thumbup: in their patrol cars. I have seen their guns and understand why people bet their lives on the 14.
Without a doubt.
 
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Thanks for all the input
I think I will just keep it stock and replace the springs while torn down
I don't expect stellar accuracy from it, just a reliable rifle and I will be happy
 
My rifle has a wooden stock.

Full Auto 191 series AC 556 formerly owned by the Montevallo Alabama PD.
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With respect to the issue of the Mini’s trigger Guard/Group falling out; there have been 3 million Mini’s manufactured since 1973.

If a few hundred mini 14 owners had their trigger group fall
out upon firing and shared the experience on the internet and those stories got repeated dozens of times and a million people read about it, the problem would appear to be all out of proportion greater than it actually is/was.

Even if it were a few thousand rifles that demonstrated the issue, the number would be minuscule as compared to the total number of rifles manufactured.

Honestly, until seeing it spoken to in this thread (trigger guards/groups falling out), I had never heard of the issue (and I’ve owned 8 Minis since 1987 and still have 4).

If you have a Mini that drops the trigger group upon firing, send it back to Ruger and they’ll fix it but before you do, please post a short video of it occurring as I can’t seem to find one on the web.

Gratuitous pics of my Mini’s:

Mini 30 Tactical
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183 series Mini 14 with wooden handguard
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First year Mini 30 Ranch rifle recently dropped into a Hogue OD stock
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My newer Mini-14, tapered barrel, is the ranch version in a wooden stock, also had it in a folder for a while.

Neither stock had any issues re: trigger group.

The authority on Mini’s seems to be the Perfect Union site, I’ve never seen this brought up as a problem.

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just haven’t seen it discussed anywhere.

For the record, I bought an AR, was not a fan, now a satisfied wood and steel Mini owner.
 
My Mini 14 Ranch, a 583 with the wood stock, started dropping the trigger assembly after about 800 rounds. The fix is simply to put the finger guard in a padded vice and squeeze it a little to shorten it. This makes it latch much more firmly.
 
One of the stainless Minis I owned had the "trick" trigger group that did in fact pop loose in firing.

I fixed it by trading it for a Star PD and told and showed the guy I traded to the issue.

I have heard of it with other Stainless guns.

I suspect a previous owner of ham handedness at pulling back the trigger guard and perhaps purpossfully bending it to make disassembly easier

-kBob
 
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