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I agree, and it leaves plenty of room for a nice wide, long suppressor for optimum sound reduction. I'm thinking an Ace entry left side folder and a foregrip when I get my stamp back. I'll probably be sending it off next month.
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I agree, and it leaves plenty of room for a nice wide, long suppressor for optimum sound reduction. I'm thinking an Ace entry left side folder and a foregrip when I get my stamp back. I'll probably be sending it off next month.
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Century has nothing to do with the manufacturing of the mini draco, they are only the distributor it is military surplus firearm that was manufactured in Romania. Ask to read the pamphlet that comes with the firearm it is clearly stated as such.
Seen some reports about the front hand guard on the mini actually breaking.
The Draco AK pistol is a CQE weapon. People talking about long distant shooting accuracy is questionable. I'm going to eventually purchase a regular size Draco and order a surplus lower front lower hand guard with a hand grip. This would have to help control the weapon in multiple round shooting.
Mod it to fit the Draco and then replace the original hand stock back on to stay 922r compliant. If the need ever arises, the hand gaurd w/hand grip, would be a quick swap out and also will put a Slant muzzle brake, which should make the Draco easier to control. Always can SBR it down the road.
The Draco AK pistol is really not a practical weapon but they are relatively inexpensive and well made. If you have an underfolder why purchase one unless you do plan to SBR it. As far as a CQE weapon it's best suited for outdoors. Inside shooting puts innocent people several walls away at risk. Still for a new addition to my collection looks like fun. A couple years down the road, may not be available and you'll be kicking yourself when you had the chance!
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The Draco AK pistol is a CQE weapon. People talking about long distant shooting accuracy is questionable. I'm going to eventually purchase a regular size Draco and order a surplus lower front lower hand guard with a hand grip. This would have to help control the weapon in multiple round shooting.
Mod it to fit the Draco and then replace the original hand stock back on to stay 922r compliant. If the need ever arises, the hand gaurd w/hand grip, would be a quick swap out and also will put a Slant muzzle brake, which should make the Draco easier to control. Always can SBR it down the road.
The Draco AK pistol is really not a practical weapon but they are relatively inexpensive and well made. If you have an underfolder why purchase one unless you do plan to SBR it. As far as a CQE weapon it's best suited for outdoors. Inside shooting puts innocent people several walls away at risk. Still for a new addition to my collection looks like fun. A couple years down the road, may not be available and you'll be kicking yourself when you had the chance!
JT
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JTH, to do that legally you'd have to register the Draco "pistol" as a Title II "Any Other Weapon" anyway, so you might as well go ahead and register it as an SBR. The making tax is the same $200. (Only the transfer tax for an AOW is $5.)
Registered SBRs can have a vertical foregrip installed whether it is currently wearing a full butt stock or not.
Registered SBRs can have a vertical foregrip installed whether it is currently wearing a full butt stock or not.
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As an aside to Sam1911's statement, it is currently legal to put a magpul AFG (NOT a VFG) on a pistol, but as we all know, ATF decisions of that nature are subject to change and it would be in your best interest to acquire a letter of "permission" beforehand just in case.
Sam 1911,
You are correct, they're considered AOW. My reason to to mod it for the verticle front hand grip, put a slant muzzle brake on it would be to have it ready if things went downhill really fast and you needed a decent CQE weapon. After the mods I would put it back in it original configuration, no reason to press your luck unless you take the legal route. Do have to admit that, it would be inexpensive to make the mods and it would take probably less than 5 minutes to switch out if 922r laws were out the window. With the way things are progressing in the USA, we soon won't have funds to monitor squat! IMO! I'm sure most of us have thought about these worse case scenarios. Like I said, an underfolderer would be more practical and only marginally longer. Probably most of us have enough practical special function weapons anyway. Still even in it's original configuration, the Draco would work great if you need a small tactical weapon, that could be hidden under a coat with one point shoulder sling.
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You are correct, they're considered AOW. My reason to to mod it for the verticle front hand grip, put a slant muzzle brake on it would be to have it ready if things went downhill really fast and you needed a decent CQE weapon. After the mods I would put it back in it original configuration, no reason to press your luck unless you take the legal route. Do have to admit that, it would be inexpensive to make the mods and it would take probably less than 5 minutes to switch out if 922r laws were out the window. With the way things are progressing in the USA, we soon won't have funds to monitor squat! IMO! I'm sure most of us have thought about these worse case scenarios. Like I said, an underfolderer would be more practical and only marginally longer. Probably most of us have enough practical special function weapons anyway. Still even in it's original configuration, the Draco would work great if you need a small tactical weapon, that could be hidden under a coat with one point shoulder sling.
JT
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Modified some full size ak handguards, what ya think?
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Darrellb, that looks sweet. My next SBR, after i finsih my UMP conversion, was gona be my Draco but seeing yours makes me think a mini with the same quad rail is the way to go.
What is the barrel length of a real krinkov?
What is the barrel length of a real krinkov?
nice darrelb. going on 200+ rounds with no failures at all, other than the sights being off a bit, and the small screw up fron holdin the hg i have to make sure its not unscrewing itself loose. since i got the mini the only thing i have cleaned is the barrel thats it.
trying to post a short video clip, havin problems. just want to post the video only not my whole album, any help?
trying to post a short video clip, havin problems. just want to post the video only not my whole album, any help?
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Just a question, but how many of you that had issues with the mini draco *other than the handguard issue* stripped and cleaned the firearm fully before shooting it?
Stick with a regular size Draco! I would think with these issues with the Mini, that they will make some composite handgaurds or strong wood as replacements. Just use a original wood hand gaurd and some mold type of mold material around that can be sanded down to shape. And make a negative mold of it. Similar in princple to casting jewelry. Just have to use some type of heat self curing composite material that starts as a liquid mixture of a polymer and monomer.
Then once set use a dremel tool to clean upflashing material and imperfections. Two halves type of mold would work, I'm sure there are other ways to do this also! JT
Then once set use a dremel tool to clean upflashing material and imperfections. Two halves type of mold would work, I'm sure there are other ways to do this also! JT
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Here's my new mini. It shipped absolutely caked in cosmoline. As noted before, it's tough to chamber a round with a loaded mag in... That will be remedied when I take it apart, clean it, and give it a standard "fluff and buff", polishing all mating surfaces and whatnot. It looks like I may also have to deburr a few places inside the receiver as there are some very sharp edges. Overall, it's obvious that it's not a top of the line build, but with a little work and some time out of my schedule, it should be just as reliable as any AK. I'll probably be putting a dimple on the side of this carrier block in order to ensure that it stays seated. The front sight post is off center, but the FSB is not canted, nor is the rear sight base. The grip that came with it is terrible, but I'll have to wait to replace it until I can either find a shorter screw that fits, or replace the grip nut. As far as the handguard goes, I'll likely replace it with a cut-down UTG handguard like I've seen others do. I'll also be relocating the bolt handle to the left side and modding the safety lever to also act as a bolt hold open. All in all, it's a nice addition to my collection.
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Here is the latest that I have done to my mini. New sights and magpul AFG2
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Nice, Darrel. What handguard is that and how did you get it on there so well? Any issues with it sliding around? *edit to add: Is that reflex sight on there backwards or am I tripping?
Here's mine updated:
Here's mine updated:
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LOL....the sight is on correctly . The handguard is a UTG modified to fit. Fit and finish is perfect no movement at all. Need a cutting wheel, dremel, and a drill. Measure how much needs to be cut off the upper about a 1 1/4 and lower handguard about 1 5/8, make sure you do all the cutting to the handguards that fits closest to the reciever. One set of new holes will have to be drilled in the upper and lower handguard near the reciever. Once you start fitting the two peices together a dremel will need to be used to grind U shaped mounts inside the lower handguard to fit properly around the barrel and the upper to fit the gas tube. Took me about an hour to do. I have seen many others using a midwest industries handguard and cutting out the upper rail to fit around the front sight, In my opinion it looks like front of the pistol is missing and it is not a tight fit, To much overhang near the barrel. But everyone has their own opinion of what looks good. Just curious to how they expect to set the iron sight without having to take of the handguard.
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UTG Manufacturer #: MTU009
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After the paint job I just did on my mini, I don't know if I want to put a railed handguard on it now... I may decide to fabricate a rail to mount to the existing handguard... I repainted the receiver, barrel and sight/gas tube in a dark black/bronze metallic and the dust cover, mags and handguard in flat black:
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Century Not Importing the Mini Draco anymore??
A guy who was selling one of these (so who knows) was saying that "his" guy at Century Arms said - they are not going to import anymore of these. Has anyone else heard this? I checked their website and did not see it... So I post the question to you guys.
I have a friend who owns a machine shop (he normally makes aircraft parts) we were going to manufacture some rails and other stuff for this gun - but thinking about skipping it if no one is going to import them.
I love the form factor of this platform. I have a yogo under folder... and this is much better! Don't discount the difference a few inches can make in weight and portability. The mini turn SBR, add a short silencer to the package, and you REALLY have an excellent PDW for right at a 1200+/- (tax stamps included).
A guy who was selling one of these (so who knows) was saying that "his" guy at Century Arms said - they are not going to import anymore of these. Has anyone else heard this? I checked their website and did not see it... So I post the question to you guys.
I have a friend who owns a machine shop (he normally makes aircraft parts) we were going to manufacture some rails and other stuff for this gun - but thinking about skipping it if no one is going to import them.
I love the form factor of this platform. I have a yogo under folder... and this is much better! Don't discount the difference a few inches can make in weight and portability. The mini turn SBR, add a short silencer to the package, and you REALLY have an excellent PDW for right at a 1200+/- (tax stamps included).
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I call BS on that, and besides... Sellers WANT their product to look more attractive, and if no more are being imported then I can raise my price right? Just a lame tactic to try and fleece someone out of some extra money. Same thing they're trying to do with Saiga shotguns, yet they're still in stores for ~$600
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J&G sales does not have a listing for the mini draco anymore.....might be some truth to that rumor. Also seen a seller on Gunsamerica.com that also stated that Century Arms is no longer importing the pistol. Good thing I bought one already and I also know where one is sitting for sale cheap just in case I decide to buy another.
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