MN to NY state move, CCW questions

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Hmmmmm........Tahou's............Nothing and I mean NOTHING beats a cheese burg plate w/ mac, homefries hotsauce and mustard at 3am after drinking a little too much......

You can only have a couple a year or suffer heart failure but they are GOOD!

Something is missing....from your description of Nick Tahoes at 3AM...

Oh yeah hookers... and drug dealers... Man it has been a while :D
 
GOOD LUCK

not sure but i believe you need to be a resident for 2 years before you can even apply for a permit. so you may have to find someone to hold them before you move. long guns should not be a problem though

we do have good chicken wings and a lot of snow
 
learn2shoot:

It's Tahou's............I thought it was a given......


J/K in case Nick is reading......

I always go to the Lyle Ave Tahou's by the airport so yeah it can get a little "sporting" sometimes.

I have the abilty to blend in pretty much where ever I go in good old Rachacha.....I don't normally have too many problems. First rule of CCW AVOID TROUBLE!!

However, there is a long standing joke among my friends that one night while my friends and I were "enjoying adult libations" my wife(the DD) got us lost downtown and we ended up driving through "Lebanon" at 2 AM. (not so funny given current events)

Rochester is not a bad town.....or maybe us crusty New Yakers are just used to it.

Sorry to Hijack the thread
 
rangermonroe said:
Checked in bags at counter of airport. Declared firearms at counter as per FAA regs. TSA agent says wait right here while I get sherrif. Lets see your CCW permit...GA doen't count, need a NYS ccw.

Bye by pistol, $1500 in lawyer bills, DA drops misdemeanor illeagle possession charge to "disorderly conduct".

Now I have a record.

Did I mention that I hate Ny?

You hate NY because you broke the law and got busted for it? :barf:

danus ex said:
So how does NY state handle the purchase of C&R handguns?
Unknown, but I do know that Black Powder pieces are not considered handguns unless you are in possesion of powder and bullets. It's kind of funny because you can have a set of dueling pistols on the mantle over your fireplace and everything is cool even if you don't have a handgun license, but lets say you take up muzzleloading for deer: oops! now you have a handgun in your home and you need a permit for that! :barf:

See, in NYS you need a permit just to have a handgun, even if you are not carrying concealed. You need a NYS permit to have one in your home, and even :what: in an airport terminal!
 
You hate NY because you broke the law and got busted for it?

I was thinking that......just didn't say it.

I agree with everyone that NY laws suck......but in the case of the airport situation, roughly half the states in the union don't recognize the Georgia permit so it not just New York. I understand that a lot of states are not as strict and don't require a permit to own like NY but usually a permit to own is a permit to carry in upstate.

No two ways about it, NY is a liberal bastion. (because of downstate) but it's not nearly as bad upstate as it sounds
 
Oh, yeah, gou got me there...

You hate NY because you broke the law and got busted for it?

Yeah, that is the reason! :rolleyes:

Yup, I got busted for owning and possessing lawful property. Not unlawful CCW, just possession. Well, lawful except in NY.

NO other state did I live in or near, did I have to get the states permission to buy something.

I learned my lesson the hard way, and check out packing.org before I fly now.

I'm glad that you current New Yorkers like it there, YVMV.
 
Those hoops do sound awful and awfully un-American. I hope my Minnesota permits to purchase and carry give me some advantage.
You, sir, are either very naive, or a perpetual optimist.

This is New York to which you will be relocating. The State of New York does not believe that any other state knows anything. The State of New York does not believe that the Federal government knows anything. (They are likely correct in that assessment.) Any permits or licenses you happen to bring with you from another state will mean exactly, precisely NOTHING to the State of New York.

Sorry to be blunt, but you may as well accept reality.
 
The good news is that once you get it, the permit is good for life and you can carry concealed anywhere in the state except NYC and Nassau county. Getting the second gun is much easier.

A pistol license issused outside of NYC is valid throughout the entire state, including Nassau County. See PL §400.00[6]
 
Checked in bags at counter of airport. Declared firearms at counter as per FAA regs. TSA agent says wait right here while I get sherrif. Lets see your CCW permit...GA doen't count, need a NYS ccw.

Bye by pistol, $1500 in lawyer bills, DA drops misdemeanor illeagle possession charge to "disorderly conduct".

Now I have a record.

Did I mention that I hate Ny?

Thats a load of ****! Federal laws are supposed to protect you when you are transporting your firearms. Just like the guy in NJ arrested at the airport for having hollowpoints cause his flight got deverted into NJ. Spent the weekend in Jail. NRA is filing a 3 million dollar lawsuit on his behalf. And why did the TSA joker have to get a officer for? You followed prescribed laws.

I live in Stl, and try to stay away from the communist *** Hole IL!

NY, IL, California, NJ, MA are states I would never move to. Might as well live in North Korea, or Cuba then.
 
If NYC and the lower counties could become a separate state The upstate NY could become like the rest of NORTHERN New England. That will not happen as NYC needs the tax money from the collective to survive.

Hate to say it but NY is NOT firearm friendly. Any New Yorkers thinking different have been assimilated.

Upstate New Yorkers are fine country folk held under siege by the lower part of Hell.

I have shot muzzle loading competition at Ft TY and other ranges there for years and even the State Troopers who shot competition hated the gun laws of the State.
 
Thats a load of ****! Federal laws are supposed to protect you when you are transporting your firearms. Just like the guy in NJ arrested at the airport for having hollowpoints cause his flight got deverted into NJ. Spent the weekend in Jail. NRA is filing a 3 million dollar lawsuit on his behalf. And why did the TSA joker have to get a officer for? You followed prescribed laws.

The Firearm Owner's Protection Act (18 USC §926A) only protects if you can legally possess the weapon at both points of your journey. Unless the poster rangermonroe could demonstrate that his trip started elsewhere (e.g. somewhere up Rt. 7 in Vermont) then there was nothing s**ty about what happened at the airport.

Like it or not, New York is the only state in the union where you need a license to simply possess a handgun, even if you otherwise eligible to purchase and possess one under Federal law.

While New York tried to hassle out of state gun owners who drove to NY-area airports (particularly at JFK, LaGuardia and Albany airports), they've been warned by the US Attorney General and this seems to have come to an end. If you hunt around (I haven't posted on this board in a while) I am sure that you can find a copy of the letter from the office of the AG about this.

As for police checking licenses at the airport, this is a common occurence at just about every airport in the state. When I flew out of Islip to go to Florida, the counter girl had to radio for the Town of Islip police to do a weapons check. Not because they're looking to arrest someone, but it's against the law for the counter agent to handle my pistols. Of course, they asked to see my shield or a pistol license the moment they arrived.

Even though we are drifting way off-topic, you would think that someone from out of state would try the "Dred Scott" argument in a federal court -- even though you need a license to possess handguns in New York, the process is cumbersome, not instant (the law allows for and it frequently takes 6 months in many parts of the state), and failure to comply can result in a lengthy prison sentence (possession outside of your home or business, concealed or otherwise, is a felony). Since there is no way for non-residents to possess their pistols in New York (beyond transportation, sanctioned matches, and as part of gun exhibitions) for any meaningful period of time, they are being deprived of a constitutional right *and* their property.

Even states like NJ offer owner ID cards to non-residents to cover technical problems with non-sporting possession, so NY is virtually alone.

But hey, everyone's perspective is different -- I look at some of the restrictions in free states (e.g, no churches, bars, banks, restaurants that serve booze, etc.) and think that it's crazy.
 
I think your "pie in the sky" option would be to drive another 2 hours north and move to New Hampshire.
Two hours north from Cayuga County, and you'd be in Canada. Their handgun laws are slightly more restrictive than most of NY state. :uhoh:

While New York tried to hassle out of state gun owners who drove to NY-area airports (particularly at JFK, LaGuardia and Albany airports), they've been warned by the US Attorney General and this seems to have come to an end. If you hunt around (I haven't posted on this board in a while) I am sure that you can find a copy of the letter from the office of the AG about this.
I'd like to see a letter, since I believe the FOPA only applies to transporting a gun in your car. The language seems very clear to me, referring to the trunk, or a locked case if the vehicle has no trunk.

I think it should be expanded by Congress in light of the travellers re-routed in flight, who wind up somewhere they can't legally possess their guns. But as the law is written, I don't see how it can be applied to air travel.
 
I'd like to see a letter, since I believe the FOPA only applies to transporting a gun in your car. The language seems very clear to me, referring to the trunk, or a locked case if the vehicle has no trunk.

A not-so-high-quality (yet readable) copy of the letter can be found at:

http://www.nysrpa.org/FOPA-DOJltrTSA.pdf

So how does NY state handle the purchase of C&R handguns?

They have to be listed on your pistol license after being delivered to a state-licensed dealer.


I understand that a lot of states are not as strict and don't require a permit to own like NY but usually a permit to own is a permit to carry in upstate.

A carry license is also a license to own. A premise license allows you to own but not carry. Each of the 50+ licensing officers (except for the NYPD Commissioner) habitually issues carry licenses that may or may not be restricted. The NYPD issues a premise license and then tells you that it's OK to head to the range or afield hunting. It technically places the licensee in violation of the law, but not LE Org or DA wants to touch this issue with at all.
 
Dear Danus ex:

I live in Afton. You can leave all your guns with me as you drive East out of Minnezotah on I-94. :D :evil:

And by the way, seeing as somebody is posting pictures of scenic Noo Yawk State, I thought I'd post a picture of my dog outside on a bright, warm, sunny Spring morning here in Minnezotah...



BTW - The snowfall in Buffalo, NY makes Minnezotah looks like Phoenix.... :rolleyes:
 
I would love to have someone who had deep enough pockets, (ARE YOU LISTENING NRA?) propose a lawsuit on your behalf. Here you are, a legal and law abiding person, being deprived of a constitutional right but a state Gov't. This is a FEDERAL issue.

For those of you who kept telling your self how good NYS is, get over it, nice country, but run by thieves and morons. Your laws are criminal. period. no arguement. they deprive people of a constitutionally guaranteed right. and you submit to it. shame on you.
 
A good person, no doubt. But law abiding, not so much in this case. There is of course, a difference. I wouldn't expect NRA to be running to the rescue. Aside from a driver's license, most states don't accept other states licenses at face value. Try to practice, say, medicine out of state. :D

Agreed, NY gun laws are lousy. If guns are your entire life, and you can't get a permit for some reason, it's probably not the place to go. Outside of that, it's a nice place to live, "morons" notwithstanding.

BTW, no one's taken away my constitutional right ;) I'll pass on the shame.
 
I live just north of the People's Democratic Republic of New York City. We fight the good fight here for gun rights but we are outnumbered. If the Republicans lose the state senate California will seem like a gun owners paradise.

I was born and raised on the Isle of Manhattan which is New York, NY. It is a bastion of socialist liberals who will not even discuss your right to own a firearm. According to the libs you don't have a right to firearms.

The Mayor of NYC has declared war on firearms. He is also the fellow who has helped pass a law which makes a smoke in a bar illegal. It looks like Elliot Spitzer is going to be governor soon and he makes Pataki look like a firearms enthusiast. Oh, it looks like Andy Cuomo will be elected state attorney general. You remember Andy from his days of filing law suits against firearms manufacturers while "misplacing" billions in HUD funds.

The left and the anti-2nd Amendment people are working hard on taking over this state. Please don't spend your money or visit NYC. Don't give tax revenue to the creatures who would take away your rights.

Good luck moving into the state. As soon as I am able I'll be moving to Free America and leaving this place behind.
 
Actually when the state says you MUST have a permit to own any firearm, you lost your Constitutionally protected right.

What part of shall not be infringed is in question?
 
New York has its pluses and minuses just like every other state. It just happens to have more negative than positive when it comes to gun rights. Instead of sitting here and bashing New York, why not work to get your Congressfolk to help pass one of those national carry laws? That way no one would have to worry about not being to defend themselves when travelling through New York (even if you don't want to stop for 50 other reasons).
 
Someone incorrectly mentioned that assault weapons are banned in NYS. That is only partially correct. NEW assault weapons and High Capacity Magazines produced after Sept. 13, 2004, or marked Restricted are illegal, but anything that was legal under the ban, is legal in most of NYS. I was considering moving to upstate and wanted to know if I could own an AK. Answer from multiple LEOs was yes. NYC is a different matter. Also, 50 BMG is ok. So, if you can't get the pistol, get something that looks real mean in protest.

Oh, and speaking of unjust laws, the NYC handgun 'ban' is actually called the Sullivan Act. It was passed in 1911 to prevent 'seedy' immigrants (Italians, Germans, Russians) from owning guns in New York. In actuality, all it really did was offer a blessing from politicians to let crime bosses exert control over certain areas of the city. So, here you have a culturally discriminatory/racist law, basically a northern Jim Crow law, been on the books for nearly a hundred years and sanctioned by the Democrats... really great. I think bringing this up in 2006/2008 would be a fantastic way to smear Dame Hillary.

-seedy by genetics
 
no one's taken away my constitutional right

Unless you want to own a machinegun, suppressor, short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, or certain semiautomatic firearms. :barf:
 
Oh, and speaking of unjust laws, the NYC handgun 'ban' is actually called the Sullivan Act.

That's not true. If you read the actual law the act has no name. It's referred to as the Sullivan act as it was authored by "Big" Tim Sullivan, a State Senator. There are other "acts" in NYS Law that are named for various proper nouns -- this isn't one of them.

I was considering moving to upstate and wanted to know if I could own an AK.

If by AK you mean one of the non-named clones, then yes, you can. One of the bigger wholesalers in the area did a fair amount of business moving the one of the Century imports a few years ago.
 
mjustice,

My congressional rep is Nita Lowey. I can send letters till the cows come home but she is not going to change her views. Just a little south of me is Eliot Engel another hoplophobe.

I love New York State but I hate the lefties taking her down! We will continue to fight for our rights but it is the Alamo all over again I fear!:(
 
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