Moly my bullets

[Remington243]

Im going to start tumbling my bullet with Moly coating.
Friends tell me to wash them first in Acidtone. I know that will work. But I think the acidtone will deform a tipped bullet. I'm wounding if another would work also. Like denatured alcohol.
Any suggestion on other choices. ?

 

[rcmodel]

I think most people nowadays will tell you not to do that.

Moly coating was a passing fad several years ago.

With no proven up side, and a few proven down sides.

One of which is, once you get the moly ironed into the bore, there is no possible way to clean it out again.

rc

 

[jmorris]

I had a moly coat kit a decade or more ago and agree, skip it.

I do use other coatings on cast lead bullets but that is a different subject.

 

[spitballer]

moly ironed into the bore, there is no possible way to clean it out again...

...this does seem to be a recurring theme with internal coatings, and when dealing with the high pressures produced by modern smokeless powders I'm always very conscious of any fouling or coating that could lead to dangerous pressures if not managed. That said, I'm inclined to believe that a properly managed coating of some sort might be helpful, at least in a target rifle, to reduce friction and/or reduce slop. Obviously precedent has been set with the moly coatings, but could there be others?

Rem Oil for example has Teflon in it and I've always wondered about the extent to which the Teflon actually incorporates into a coating.

 

[merrill]

I've never heard of acidtone, but I doubt very much if acetone would damage bullets.

 

[jmorris]

I've always wondered about the extent to which the Teflon actually incorporates into a coating.

I called DuPont (they own the trade mark for PTFE "Teflon") years ago and when I said "bullet" that was the end of our conversation.
After NBC ran the prime time special on "cop killer bullets" back in '82, DuPont hasn't had a positive view on its product on bullets.

FWIW the most "evil" bullets made came a decade later, the Black Talon made by Winchester were not Teflon coated though, rather "Lubealox" coated.

 

[spitballer]

After NBC ran the prime time special on "cop killer bullets" back in '82...

..I remember that. There was a big deal about penetrating bullets and they finally got taken off the shelves, as I recall. Call me old-fashioned but don't think the availability of armor piercing bullets, mustard gas, grenades, claymores, howitzers, nukes and other such materiel serves the needs of the general public. Law enforcement is a tough and underappreciated job despite widely publicized abuses, and if I were the chief I darned sure couldn't expect to send my men out to maintain order in vests that were easily defeated by widely available ammo. IMHO complaining about this unnecessary stuff also tends to throw smoke around the very real issue of disarming law-abiding citizens, something we all should be concerned about.

But getting back to reloading and lubalox coatings: I've never used lubalox, in fact I tried to find out more about it but wasn't very successful. The idea behind all this stuff seems to be to reduce friction without incurring dangerous build-up of fouling, and any time you have a coating that's not affected by bore solvent you have the potential to incur a dangerous build-up of fouling. At least this is my understanding of the issue.

 

[jmorris]

Call me old-fashioned but don't think the availability of armor piercing bullets, mustard gas, grenades, claymores, howitzers, nukes and other such materiel serves the needs of the general public. Law enforcement is a tough and underappreciated job despite widely publicized abuses, and if I were the chief I darned sure couldn't expect to send my men out to maintain order in vests that were easily defeated by widely available ammo. IMHO complaining about this unnecessary stuff also tends to throw smoke around the very real issue of disarming law-abiding citizens, something we all should be concerned about.

That's not old fashioned, that's actually modern thinking.

This is a good read notice how once they get the ball rolling they just place more and more restrictions in place and at a faster pace.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/fl/US-Gun-Control-Timeline.htm

In any case, I imagine most vests police wear wouldn't stop the bullets fired from just about any deer rifle, coated or not.

 

[Walkalong]

jmorris is right, most any deer rifle will pierce common body armor.

The old "cop killer" bullet campaign by the antis was a joke, but it sounded good, and that's all they care about. Even the movies parroted the term.

But that is all off topic.



Anyone know if the common cleaners for bullets, acetone in particular, will damage plastic tipped bullets prior to moly coating?

And I am in the "tried it, dropped it", crowd. It was a fad (passing) in Benchrest when I tried it. Most dropped it pretty quickly.

If velocity is all someone cares about, you can definitely push them faster, as they are slicker.

 

[jmorris]

The Moly coating kit I played with was this one.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/162840/lyman-super-moly-tumble-coat-finishing-kit-110-volt

I never washed or wiped off any of the bullets before hand. The ceramic media never seemed to have a problem embedding the moly into the copper.

 

[Walkalong]

I don't remember anyone washing the bullets before coating them either, but I could be wrong.

I quit using them and gave away that barrel.

 

[spitballer]

The Moly coating kit...

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/162840/lyman-super-moly-tumble-coat-finishing-kit-110-volt

Thx this may be worth pursuing. Moly surely must be more consistent and manageable than the typical fouling produced during firing. I finally ran a few forward passes with the brush yesterday and definitely found room for improvement on current system lol