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After the string of campus and community shootings that began in 2007 and stretched into this year, we're all that much more uneasy about the society in which we live.

We're all eager to find a way to stop the string of violence and go to school on safe campuses.

That's why this editorial board is glad concealed firearms are banned on University of Nebraska campuses. We understand the need to protect students and everyone else; we just don't see how students running around with concealed handguns will ever actually solve a problem.

That's a position we've reiterated time and again; there is absolutely no reason students should think a concealed weapon would shield them from danger.

Of course, that's not enough to end the debate.

In Alabama on Wednesday, the state's senate killed a bill that would have allowed certain students to carry concealed firearms on campus.

Similar bills have been introduced in several other states.

The Alabama legislature also proposed that professors be allowed to carry concealed weapons; as if older (but still untrained) civilians are more qualified to carry and discharge firearms than are younger untrained adults.

The truth is, police and military undergo an incredible amount of firearms training - to the point that they are ready to distinguish targets and exercise proper discipline when shooting.

The Alabama legislators recognized this, and defeated both efforts. Neither students nor teachers will be able to carry concealed firearms on campus, and that's absolutely as it should be.

We want to see campus environments where staff, students and faculty act quickly to help troubled individuals when they encounter situations that could lead to violence. In many situations, obviously, we can't see the violent outbursts coming - but how would students and professors carrying weapons help?

Few have taken advantage of Nebraska's concealed carry legislation; it isn't like 50 percent of the population is carrying around a firearm. So if someone did try to commit a shooting on our campus, the chances of a student with a gun to stop them would probably be low in the first place.

Handguns are (relatively) expensive for the average student, as are concealed carry permits

And even if someone did have weapon nearby to try and stop the attacker, the worry comes back that that person wouldn't have the expertise and practice that we would see in a UNL police officer responding to the scene.

It's understandable that some students and faculty would feel better carrying handguns - they would feel like they had the power to prevent a tragedy.

They wouldn't have that power.

The Alabama state legislature was right to reject this bill; it doesn't represent the right way to protect the students in that state.

We hope legislators and officials in Nebraska will look to the Alabama State Senate and avoid giving anyone the ability to conceal weapons on campus.
 
The truth is, police and military undergo an incredible amount of firearms training - to the point that they are ready to distinguish targets and exercise proper discipline when shooting.

I wonder how Amadou Diallo would feel about that statement.
 
Yet, even with all that training, they claim that an officer wouldn't be able to tell a bad guy from a student w/ a CCW?
 
The truth is, police and military undergo an incredible amount of firearms training - to the point that they are ready to distinguish targets and exercise proper discipline when shooting.

The truth is, the author has NO IDEA what kind of training military and police members get. And he doesn't want to admit that if an individual is bright enough to make it through college, he/she is probably bright enough to properly identify a legitimate threat. although with all the victim conditioning you never know...
 
As far as untrained civilians goes, most of the people I know who have concealed carry permits are also active shooters who spend a lot of time practicing. In fact, most of them practice more than most of the cops I know.

As for target identification, that can be a rough call in a combat situation. However, it's not that hard to distinguish between the guy a half a block away who is carrying a brief case and the guy who is carry the baseball bat and actively trying to cave in your skull with it. Blunt trauma has killed more people throughout history than firearms ever have. It doesn't matter if your brains are bashed in or blown out, dead is still dead, and the bad guys much prefer that you are the one who ends up that way, and they won't obey the law and leave their pistols home.

Also, if local police ranges weren't so darned proprietary and allowed the tax payers who actually pay for those ranges to use them target identification wouldn't be so much of an issue. I know that legal issues are involved, as well as insurance, but most of the people I know would be willing to pay range fees to police ranges to help offset such costs to get that training.

As for the rest of it. I can't carry on campus, so I don't take any classes. It's that simple. As for the poor folks who have to walk on campus. especially at night, I feel sorry for them, because the criminals (who, by definition, don't obey laws) know that they have a prime hunting ground there.
 
The truth is, police and military undergo an incredible amount of firearms training - to the point that they are ready to distinguish targets and exercise proper discipline when shooting.

So, ex-military can carry? Sweet. Thanks Daily Nebraskan!
 
So, ex-military can carry? Sweet. Thanks Daily Nebraskan!

Yeah I laugh sardonically because all of my LEO training and experience apparently means SQUAT now that I work for a University.

Now (at 40 something) and working as administration, I'm lumped in with the usual stereotyping of "drunk/hard partying irresponsible college students" that they typically use as a reason to prohibit CCW. <grrrrrrrr>.
 
I know for a fact that I fire more rounds in a semester than all of the local department officers fire in a year.
 
The truth is, police and military undergo an incredible amount of firearms training - to the point that they are ready to distinguish targets and exercise proper discipline when shooting.

We did? I don't remember that.
 
Seriously? I examined a bunch of targets from a local PD qualifier yesterday and wow... lower 90%'s and upper 80%'s, which is great, don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting 12-15 rounds and only one hole, but hardly what I would call "incredible amount of training". What do I know, just a student with a CCW... :rolleyes:
 
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As for the rest of it. I can't carry on campus, so I don't take any classes. It's that simple. As for the poor folks who have to walk on campus. especially at night, I feel sorry for them, because the criminals (who, by definition, don't obey laws) know that they have a prime hunting ground there.
Enroll in online classes at a reputable university.

Actually, the University of Nebraska offers some!
 
Enroll in online classes at a reputable university.

Actually, the University of Nebraska offers some!

Yeah, I've been thinking of that. There are a lot of really good schools offering fully accredited programs on line; Nebraska, and University of Maryland to name just two. I just like the classroom and the whole going to college thing. I was a "professional student" for a while after I got out of the military and I kind of miss the whole deal. However, campuses have gotten to be just like every other part of society, the more safe the powers-that-be try to make them, the more safe they make it for criminals to ply their trade there.

The last time someone jumped out at me on a campus I broke his arm. That opened up a whole 'nuther kettle o' fish; I almost went to jail for it, and the other guy instigated the whole thing and admitted to his intent to commit strong arm robbery against me, but he was seventeen and I was forty-four. that made him an innocent youth and me some nasty adult who should have taken the poor boy's age into consideration. It's getting so that the anti's don't want you to do anything but lay down and die.

Sorry, I guess that I'm starting to feel a bit unappreciated these days. I wish all of these people who want to disarm everyone and live in a perfect world would go find their perfect world someplace else. Hey, I know where, I saw it on a movie, it was called Miranda.
 
I work with over 100 police officers.Most of them can't hit the broad side of a barn.The majority are not into gun's other than lugging them around in the daily course of their work.
Their incredible training consists of qualifying with their Sig .40 every 6 months on a course an 8 year child could easily pass.Very few ever go to the range on their own and almost none are hunters or target shooters.
The Nebraska campus newspapers ignorance has been printed in countless college papers since VT.
The same silly arguments about "civilians" carrying being a danger, that make no sense.
These people(and school admins) are too stupid to ever get it.
 
That's a position we've reiterated time and again; there is absolutely no reason students should think a concealed weapon would shield them from danger.

Of course, that's not enough to end the debate.

Arrogance, much?


In Alabama on Wednesday, the state's senate killed a bill that would have allowed certain students to carry concealed firearms on campus.

"certain students" as in "people who are more law-abiding than the average non-permit holder and who are trusted in every other place in the state"? Do they mean those kinds of students? Those students who are at least 21 years of age -- the same students who are considered adult in every way, shape and form in the rest of society, except on school campuses?



The truth is, police and military undergo an incredible amount of firearms training - to the point that they are ready to distinguish targets and exercise proper discipline when shooting.

If a man walks up to me and pulls a knife and says "Gimme all your money m*****f***r!" I fail to realize why I would need to be a rocket scientist or highly trained spec-ops operator to realize who is a bad guy in this situation.


The Alabama legislators recognized this, and defeated both efforts. Neither students nor teachers will be able to carry concealed firearms on campus, and that's absolutely as it should be.

Oh, thank God! I feel safer already! You know, I'm glad I don't know what it's like going through life with that kind of arrogance. The author must have some sort of mental disorder. I don't think he's healthy enough to be trusted with any kind of first amendment privileges; after all, the pen is mightier than the sword, and is abused way more often...


We want to see campus environments In many situations, obviously, we can't see the violent outbursts coming - but how would students and professors carrying weapons help?

What's the quote again? There are none so blind as those who refuse to see?

Few have taken advantage of Nebraska's concealed carry legislation; it isn't like 50 percent of the population is carrying around a firearm.

So then why get your panties in a bunch over a non-issue?


So if someone did try to commit a shooting on our campus, the chances of a student with a gun to stop them would probably be low in the first place.

Then there's nothing to worry about, is there?

Handguns are (relatively) expensive for the average student, as are concealed carry permits

What does that have to do with anything?

And even if someone did have weapon nearby to try and stop the attacker, the worry comes back that that person wouldn't have the expertise and practice that we would see in a UNL police officer responding to the scene.

That has not been the case in actual real-life incidents, but nice try.


It's understandable that some students and faculty would feel better carrying handguns - they would feel like they had the power to prevent a tragedy.

My feelings of power and a sense of confidence in self-defense gets trumped by their nebulous feelings of safety? Apparently, not everyone's feelings are equal. What a shocker.

They wouldn't have that power.

Oh really? I guess I've been going about this all wrong. I gain more power in life by cowering under a desk than trying to fight back? The author strikes me as being the kind of guy who would punch you in the face saying, "this is MY desk! I chose to die under this one! Go get your own desk to die under!"


The Alabama state legislature was right to reject this bill; it doesn't represent the right way to protect the students in that state.

So what is the right way then? Where's the list of all the successful things that have been done if licensed concealed carry is so bad and wrong?

Yeah. That's what I thought.
 
We hope legislators and officials in Nebraska will look to the Alabama State Senate and avoid giving anyone the ability to conceal weapons on campus.

This fascinates me. It's as if the author actually believes that a criminal would need permission to have the ability to conceal a weapon.
 
In the WSU "Daily Evergreen" last week, someone wrote a pissy letter to the editor saying they would leave WSU if WSU allowed concealed pistols on campus...

I thought to my self, "don't let the door hit ya... and good riddance"
 
I want to know how we go about responding to this op ed piece. Anyone got an address?

14 Years in the army I may have fired 1000 rounds tops ( not counting artillery) that's some extensive training
 
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