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I can't believe no one has said it yet, but,
"I am the only one professional enough that I know of to carry this Glock 40!" - DEA agent who then shot himself in the foot
I was in the Infantry for two years and in that short amount of time witnessed two negligent discharges, one accidental discharge. I was once tasked to guard weapons and started handling my Sergeants' M16/M203; I pulled the bolt back and a live-round popped out of the chamber which was not suppose to be there. Also knew of four National Guardsmen who were killed by gross negligence by their own comrade.
So whoever wrote this does not know what they are talking about. Just because you carry a badge or have a patch on your shoulder doesn't automatically make you Annie Oakley or Matthew Quigley. Some of the best shots in the world are civilians. Even the military turns to the civilian shooting world for advice and expertise.
It all comes down to individual responsibility. Common sense.
"I am the only one professional enough that I know of to carry this Glock 40!" - DEA agent who then shot himself in the foot
I was in the Infantry for two years and in that short amount of time witnessed two negligent discharges, one accidental discharge. I was once tasked to guard weapons and started handling my Sergeants' M16/M203; I pulled the bolt back and a live-round popped out of the chamber which was not suppose to be there. Also knew of four National Guardsmen who were killed by gross negligence by their own comrade.
So whoever wrote this does not know what they are talking about. Just because you carry a badge or have a patch on your shoulder doesn't automatically make you Annie Oakley or Matthew Quigley. Some of the best shots in the world are civilians. Even the military turns to the civilian shooting world for advice and expertise.
It all comes down to individual responsibility. Common sense.
BorisDaBastid
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Yes, my firearms training in the military consisted of a NCO telling me to shoot at the target until rounds were expended, put the weapon on safe, and let *him* look in the chamber before being told "get off my range, crackhead". Woo, the military sure does do a better job than the civilian courses out there.
Winchester 73
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treo,I love your new signature line.
Wonder where it originated?
Winchester 73
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Sean Bell,a good example of police identifying their target.
Revolution's rhetoric is just a little stiff though.Anyway:
http://revcom.us/a/071/nyc-police-shooting-en.html
Revolution #71, December 3, 2006
Cops Fire Over 50 Shots, Protests Planned
NYPD Guns Down Sean Bell on his Wedding Day
23-year-old Sean Bell was supposed to get married on Saturday, November 25. But in the early morning hours of that day, he was murdered by the NYPD.
Undercover cops fired at least 50 rounds of bullets into a car carrying Sean Bell and two of his friends as they left Bell's bachelor party in the Jamaica section of Queens. Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly reported that one of his men fired his weapon 31 times, emptying two full magazines. News reports said Bell was shot in the neck, shoulder and right arm and died at the hospital. Two of Bell's friends who were in the car, 21-year-old Joseph Guzman and 23-year-old Trent Benefield, were hospitalized with multiple gun shot wounds.
The club where the bachelor party was held was under police surveillance, inside and outside the building. When Bell's car left the club, it ran into an unmarked van carrying some of the cops involved in the surveillance. And the cops responded with a barrage of deadly gunfire.
People visiting Guzman and Benefield at the hospital on Saturday found them handcuffed to their hospital beds. The two men had not been charged with any crime but the cops said they handcuffed the wounded men because they were unclear if the men were armed. This is an insulting justification from the cops who are acting as if they couldn't have frisked the men after they shot them down! Family members of the two victims said there had been no guns in their car that night. And an employee of the club said the men "weren't rowdy or nothing like that" at the club prior to the shooting.
NY Mayor Bloomberg called for calm and said it was too early to draw any conclusions about the incident. But many people remember how in 1999 NYPD cops killed Amadou Diallo, an unarmed West African immigrant, shooting him 19 times. And many people are responding to this killing with grief and outrage.
On Sunday, November 26, more than 500 people gathered outside the hospital where Sean Bell's friends are recovering. They marched through the neighborhood to the police station and back to the hospital demanding justice. Calls have been issued for the police to explain what happened and why. A rally is planned for December 6 that will focus on this murder.
Commenting on this whole incident, Carl Dix, National Spokesperson of the RCP, said: "This is another in a long line of murders committed by the NYPD. We've seen NY cops brutalize, torture and murder people time after time, and they almost never get punished for any of these foul crimes. This is part of the continuing nationwide epidemic of police brutality and police murder. It must be met with continued mass resistance. And it is important to uncover the truth about this kind of official brutality. This state-sanctioned brutality is built into the framework of this rotten system we're living under, and it will take proletarian revolution to end this and everything else foul this system forces people to endure once and for all."
Revolution (revcom.us) will be following the developments in this case as they unfold.
Revolution's rhetoric is just a little stiff though.Anyway:
http://revcom.us/a/071/nyc-police-shooting-en.html
Revolution #71, December 3, 2006
Cops Fire Over 50 Shots, Protests Planned
NYPD Guns Down Sean Bell on his Wedding Day
23-year-old Sean Bell was supposed to get married on Saturday, November 25. But in the early morning hours of that day, he was murdered by the NYPD.
Undercover cops fired at least 50 rounds of bullets into a car carrying Sean Bell and two of his friends as they left Bell's bachelor party in the Jamaica section of Queens. Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly reported that one of his men fired his weapon 31 times, emptying two full magazines. News reports said Bell was shot in the neck, shoulder and right arm and died at the hospital. Two of Bell's friends who were in the car, 21-year-old Joseph Guzman and 23-year-old Trent Benefield, were hospitalized with multiple gun shot wounds.
The club where the bachelor party was held was under police surveillance, inside and outside the building. When Bell's car left the club, it ran into an unmarked van carrying some of the cops involved in the surveillance. And the cops responded with a barrage of deadly gunfire.
People visiting Guzman and Benefield at the hospital on Saturday found them handcuffed to their hospital beds. The two men had not been charged with any crime but the cops said they handcuffed the wounded men because they were unclear if the men were armed. This is an insulting justification from the cops who are acting as if they couldn't have frisked the men after they shot them down! Family members of the two victims said there had been no guns in their car that night. And an employee of the club said the men "weren't rowdy or nothing like that" at the club prior to the shooting.
NY Mayor Bloomberg called for calm and said it was too early to draw any conclusions about the incident. But many people remember how in 1999 NYPD cops killed Amadou Diallo, an unarmed West African immigrant, shooting him 19 times. And many people are responding to this killing with grief and outrage.
On Sunday, November 26, more than 500 people gathered outside the hospital where Sean Bell's friends are recovering. They marched through the neighborhood to the police station and back to the hospital demanding justice. Calls have been issued for the police to explain what happened and why. A rally is planned for December 6 that will focus on this murder.
Commenting on this whole incident, Carl Dix, National Spokesperson of the RCP, said: "This is another in a long line of murders committed by the NYPD. We've seen NY cops brutalize, torture and murder people time after time, and they almost never get punished for any of these foul crimes. This is part of the continuing nationwide epidemic of police brutality and police murder. It must be met with continued mass resistance. And it is important to uncover the truth about this kind of official brutality. This state-sanctioned brutality is built into the framework of this rotten system we're living under, and it will take proletarian revolution to end this and everything else foul this system forces people to endure once and for all."
Revolution (revcom.us) will be following the developments in this case as they unfold.
treo, here you go: http://www.dailynebraskan.com/home/lettertotheeditor/
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I'm new to gun ownership, and very new to handguns. However if I were to go back to my bedroom and pick up my Mark III 22/45 that I checked to make it wasn't loaded before I put it up, the first thing I would do would be to point it in a safe direction and check it again. As I'm sure all of the other people on THR would. While I was thinking about buying a handgun I asked a lot of LEOs who come into where I work, what they carried and you would be surprised how many took their guns our of their holsters and waved them around without respect to who or what they pointing out. They just liked showing off that they were big men who had a big gun. After I was done fearing for my life, I felt sorry for them, I figure they were picked on as kids and took the job to make up for it.
I'm not bashing all LEOs here. Many who I asked were very helpful and gave me great advice. They put their life on the line everyday to keep us safe and God Bless them. But the stupid ones who wave a loaded pistol at me.....
I'm not bashing all LEOs here. Many who I asked were very helpful and gave me great advice. They put their life on the line everyday to keep us safe and God Bless them. But the stupid ones who wave a loaded pistol at me.....
jrfoxx
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Every time I see this kind of crap, I have to wonder why people/students with guns havent caused a SINGLE problem that I know of her in Oregon or in Utah, where it's perfectly legal to carry on campus (in fact, in OR, its legal in H.S.'s, grade schools, nursery schools etc too).Not 1 single incident that I've heard of in either state on a campus involving someone legally carrying a gun.For all thier claims of drunken shooting, "untrained" ccw holders shooting a good guy instaed of the BG, cops accidentally shooting the ccw holder, student shooting their prof or classmates over a bad grade or minor argument etc, I have yet to hear of it actually happening. Could it be that it's just not true? No way, the politicians and college profs/admin would NEVER make stuff up based on thier whim, and emotion instead of facts.....
I guess I need to have my eyes and ears checked, as I keep missing all the reports of CCW holders killing people on campus here, and the blood flowing in the streets.......
No way, the politicians and college profs/admin would NEVER make stuff up based on thier whim, and emotion instead of facts.....I guess I need to have my eyes and ears checked, as I keep missing all the reports of CCW holders killing people on campus here, and the blood flowing in the streets.......
JCMAG
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The police aren't perfect. Let's leave it at that...
These people are absurd. In 2005, the supreme court ruled that the police are not obligated to protect you --
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html
-- That right there automatically trumps their argument, along with most gun control arguments, for that matter.
Human beings have an intrinsic right to life, no matter your citizenship or academic enrollment status. That includes protecting it.
When criminals stop breaking the law, I'll start trusting anti-gun zones. Until then I'm praying no maniac shows up in my classroom.
These people are absurd. In 2005, the supreme court ruled that the police are not obligated to protect you --
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html
-- That right there automatically trumps their argument, along with most gun control arguments, for that matter.
Human beings have an intrinsic right to life, no matter your citizenship or academic enrollment status. That includes protecting it.
When criminals stop breaking the law, I'll start trusting anti-gun zones. Until then I'm praying no maniac shows up in my classroom.
WDGF
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Nice to see UNL's Daily Rag hasn't changed much in 28 years. It was buh-wipe then, too. Ignorant campus fishwrap editorial writers are often the most obnoxious kind. If it weren't for the 'Trolling for a Date' - er - 'Personals' section, most students back then wouldn't bother to read it at all.
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Have any of you in NE forwarded that link to your legislators and asked their opinion?
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But as it is now, the chances will be zero! How does this argument prove a logical point in any way, shape or form?
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Rounds shot by most cops in a year-under 500
Rounds shot by most college students I know that shoot and carry when legal including myself in a year- over 5000(Less than 500 a month or ten boxes of pistol ammo a month, If you shoot a brick of .22 in an afternoon and go to the range once a week that is 2000 rounds a month)
Not that there are not LEOs that know how to shoot, and not that some people with a permit can't hit a barn from inside, but it really looks to me like on average the private citizen that carries has a whole lot more in training and shooting.
Rounds shot by most college students I know that shoot and carry when legal including myself in a year- over 5000(Less than 500 a month or ten boxes of pistol ammo a month, If you shoot a brick of .22 in an afternoon and go to the range once a week that is 2000 rounds a month)
Not that there are not LEOs that know how to shoot, and not that some people with a permit can't hit a barn from inside, but it really looks to me like on average the private citizen that carries has a whole lot more in training and shooting.
The actual 'pen is mightier' quotation is
"Beneath the rule of men entirely great, the pen is mightier than the sword."
-Edward Bulwer-Lytton
It has a very different meaning when you don't remove the conditional. Maybe now people will understand my signature line.
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Oh, shooting forty rounds at green plastic targets that stay up for 3 to 10 seconds surely qualifies me to decide whether or not to engage an active shooter in my classroom.
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