More Remingtons

[Das Jaeger]

Here's a couple more of my Remingtons .

Piettas Target model .44 , Fancy Canary Wood grips :




Uberti Navy .36 , Fancy Canary Wood grips :

This is one fine gun here , a real smooth operator , get yours today





Together , a Happy pair ! :




Das Jaeger

 

[DrLaw]

For a newbie here you have come on strong!

I'm jealous!!!!!!

The Doc is envious of such a fine looking collection, and out now.

 

[Das Jaeger]

Thanks DrLaw

Newbee to the Forum , but non-newbee to the sport , what can is say
Hopefully it inspires folks to do some work on thier guns , and buy more guns , share the sport more , etc , etc , etc .....

Das Jaeger

 

[Ginormous]

Damn I love your grips. Ever thought of offering rough grips from some of these woods? I don't have the proper tools to cut out nice grips from stock, but I have enough elbow grease to finish them! Hint, hint.

 

[Das Jaeger]

Hee hee hee

It aint hard Ginormous , I taught my Monkey to do it . If you can shape them , you can cut them . I don't use any special tools , just a jig saw with fine Jap-Saw tooth blades to get the blank close , then a belt sander and Moto-Tool to get them closer , then hand sand to fit , a little filing from time to time is all too .
Slow and steady , one slip and you start over , been there done that allot .
Problem with your theory is every grip frame is slightly different and they really must be cut to the frames and backstraps-trigger guards . Yes , I could cut them close enough to offer them for sale , but there aint no money in it , People are cheap and want somethin for nothin . Mostly .
Money ruins everything , and I do it for the love of the sport now . Been there done that bussiness mess , it sucks .

Thanks , Das Jeager

 

[Ginormous]

That's something to think about for sure. Both tools would have definite other uses around the palatial estate, and not take up too much space in the garage. The guns are the about the cheapest thing I've spent money on in pursuing this hobby, the accessories, however, are starting to necessitate a budget of their own. Grrrr.

 

[DrLaw]

:

People are cheap and want somethin for nothin . Mostly .
Money ruins everything , and I do it for the love of the sport now

How true, how true. Tell you what, send me the Spiller and Burr or a spare if you have one, and I will take care of it! To keep you from ruination, I won't pay you either, since I am cheap!

The Doc is out now. (and still envious )

 

[Das Jaeger]

Uhh huh

wow what a bargain for me that is , hee hee hee
Would give me an axcuse to get another gun too

Das Jaeger

 

[flmason]

Well, Das Jaeger... tracking says my '58 Target is in town... Hopefully it's as nice as yours (except of course... it doesn't have your custom work).

 

[kBob]

Jaeger,

Any suggestions for dealing with super hard laminates? I came across some of the cocobollo (I believe) laminate scraps from the old Bear Archery factory. I can't seem to cut it and a former Bear employee insisted that Bear had to use some sort of special band saw.

Appearently Brazil had some sort of exit tax on unfinished wood of one type Bear was using so their supplier made coffee tables of slabes of a spicific size and thickness of the solid wood. Not sure where the laminates were made.

Thanks also for the idea to make two piece grips then glue in an inner third piece to make them like one piece Colt grips. Where was my brain before your talk? I have a couple of busted up rifle or shotgun stocks out in the shop that have been whispering they need to be carved up.

-kBob

 

[Das Jaeger]

Kbob

I cut Epoxy laminates with a JAP-Tooth jig-saw blades , Makitas Jap Blades work well , as does Bosch and Dewalt JAP-Tooth blades, cuts great, you shouldn't be having a problem with one of them . You can also use a Laminate tooth Jig-Saw blade to do the work too , they make them too . Go slow , if it smokes, your going too fast . Expect a little burn regurdless .
By the way its nearly impossible to make a one peice grip that fits well unless your set up with machines and computers and lazers measures . The 3 peice is the way to go , and you cut your blanks out of the same piece so it truelly looks like a "ONE" peice grip , its very cool , glad the light bulb went off for ya too .
HEY , IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME FOR THAT TO DAWN ON ME TOO , Hee hee hee .

Good luck ! Glad I could help , thats what I am here for .

Das Jaeger

 

[flmason]

Geez, yeah, on that "one piece" thing. Always thought it was really three pieces cemented together to make in "one piece".

Would take some serious patience to make a truly solid one piece from scratch. Though I think it could still be done.

 

[Das Jaeger]

Oh it can be done

and I have done a few , but I finally said why bother ? Three peice is much stronger, tis a true laminate also , always stronger than wood one peice and never warps , we win
Of course , please go right ahead and make a set and you'll be making three peice for now on hee hee hee ,its a real time consuming process, one slip , start over . First pair I did took two months . Are you willing to pay my wage for that ? Me neither !

Das Jaeger

 

[flmason]

Well Das Jaeger, my '58 is sitting on the shelf in the box. Have yet to open it. Need to get some oil and polish cloth. (Have acidic hands, I rust non stainless guns pretty bad if I'm not careful.)

So tell me, since you have several of the Piettas. Do they often have fit and timing problems like the ones described in Petifogger's tuning articles?

I've never had the kind of issues he had in those articles with centerfire guns except for one Blackhawk that someone had monkeyed with.

I realize Piettas don't cost what Ruger's etc. cost, by if they really *require* going over to that degree on every one that gets out the factory door, well, that's deplorable quality to say the least.

 

[Das Jaeger]

Well Flmason

sorry to hear you have acid hands , bummer, be carefull , but you know that already . I make it a habbit of putting my guns away with an oiled cloth in my hands , period , no fingerpirints whatsoever .

Ok, on to your question :
Yes and no , hows that for polliticlly correct , I sound like Obama Bin Laudin now huh
First off Pettifooger shoots Cass , he requires absolute perfection , nothing wrong with that . Piettas are far from perfection to start with , as is Uberti or most any revolver unless its a hand tuned Korth . Right now your going
" Whats a Korth ? " ..............Anyway , for people that require SMOOTH , they are far from perfection out of the box . My question to you is : What exactly do you expect for $250 to $350 anyway ? Personally I just expect it run , be timed right mostly , no drag marks on cylinder , finish to be good at least and accurate . Thats it . For me, for the price they want, they do a fine job of that , especialy nowadays . Pietta used to be crap , but not anymore .
I think the tunes he does are awsome , those are working guns for people who take that stuff VERY seriuosly. But they would be fine guns for hunting or target shooting fun also . I have read allot of his stuff, or as much as my little mind can absorb , and his technical aspect of what they should do and how to do it are pretty darn sound . I dont think you and I "NEED" all of that unless you plan on shooting Cass or Sass for a living . I also feel they aint nearly as bad as he describes either , but being the little perfectionist he is , he's technically right , for him . I aint quite that picky , so it is what it is , just a difference in opinion am sure . I just dont agree that they are that bad , but I also do NOT require them to be that good ? See what I am
sayin ?
I think Uberti is way farther ahead on there tunes though , thier triggers are sometimes out of the box scarey nice and scarey smooth already . Sweet !
But you pay $100 more a gun , but its worth it . Now if they could put Piettas Color Case hardening on there guns, we'd have some pretty good lookin revolvers with smooth actions too . Then lets talk about there nasty orange finish ? Oh lets not , that could go on forever .
Here's the Moral of the story : You get what you pay for and then some with Piettas and Ubertis . If your disapointed with them , tis because you expect too much , from life probably too , and your proablably a pain in my arse if I met ya in person .

Das Jaeger , I hope that answered your question if full ?

 

[Olmontanaboy]

" Whats a Korth ? " ..............Anyway

I seem to remember it was a Python looking revolver, real high end. But then I could be wrong, it's early, and I'm gettin kinda old

 

[Das Jaeger]

Yup

it aint too early , your right on the money . They are in the several thousand many thousand dollar tuned gun department .

Jaeger

 

[Olmontanaboy]

They are in the several thousand many thousand dollar tuned gun department .

Back in the seventys I worked part time in the gun dept. of a sporting goods store in Missoula Montana called "Bradys Sportsmen Surplus" and got to know the part time gunsmith, his name was Andy Cannon and he used to be an Air Force armorer, and his specialty was tuning up S&W revolvers for comp. and he did an action job on a model 27 I had at the time, I could hardly beleive how slick that Smith became. Oh yeah that one's gone too:banghead: Dam gun shows

 

[Das Jaeger]

Andy Cannon

thats a great name for a Gunsmith !
Hard not to chuckle at that even it was his real name .
He could step right into CASS and not even lie about his name being an Allias .

Your not the only person to pull full fledged mental gun boners in there lives either . I have let a couple go I truelly regret now , and given a few away to people that really didn't deserve them after learning more about them as people . Oh well . That's life , I got plenty of cool ones anyway , am sure you do too ?

Sincerely, Das Jaeger

 

[Olmontanaboy]

LOL, yeah, I think that was his real name, but I guess he coulda been on the lamb from the law I had a boatload of guns over the years, some I wish I never got rid of others I was happy to see go

 

[flmason]

@Das Jaeger - What do I expect. Hmm... out of a new in box *gun*, given that their purpose is to deliver deadly force... I expect them to function 100% correctly. Finish can be so-so. Trigger can be draggy and too heavy (by competition standards, etc.) and all that. But it must function reliably and safely. That's about it. I have to be able to bet my life on it out of the box. Because it's a *gun*.

If that can't be delivered at the asked for price, I'd rather see the price go up.

The compromises I expect for a lower price are the cosmetic things. Don't need mirror finishes. Don't need blue that will take a nuclear holocaust, don't need fancy grip woods, or any of those sort of things.

But some of the things I saw in Pettifogger's writeup are not acceptable... bolt *peening* the cylinder? Left and right side of the receiver have different heights? A hand spring so bad he just summarily breaks it off and doesn't even consider using it. (OK he was tuning for a competition. But still springs should be good quality.)

 

[Das Jaeger]

flmason

yes , I think functioning right is mentioned already by me . Running right means it shoots realiably , sorry to confuse you . :banghead:
Pretty sure I mentioned he shoots CASS for " REAL " , not just a part time cowpoke lookin for just fun , he's a competitor with and agenda too .
Here we go again , PEOPEL ARE CHEAP, they want a $1,000.00 gun for $100 okeedokeee . Don't expect a Smith and Wesson Custom Shop revolver froma $225 Pietta 1851 is the point . They are fine, just fine right out of the box , as long as you are not ecxpecting the Smith and Wesson SMOOTH .
Either gun though will be a shooter out of the box and save your life reliably for what it is . I trust the Smith Revolver for reliablitly in design more though, oh yes I do . I think the reliablility of a 1851 Repro from Uberti or Pietta cap and baller I would also stake my life on them , but I would pack two of um And I do when out of the back forty .

Das Jaeger

 

[BHP FAN]

With cap'n'ball that's just prudent.One cap jam would be one too many.

 

[flmason]

@Das Jaeger - Oh heck yeah, I'm not even expecting a Pietta to be as good as a the real Colt's were, let alone even early cartridge S&W's for example.

However, I'd have thought, as a matter of marketing and just safety that good quality springs and correct timing would be fair to expect. I expect that out of say, Iver Johnsons, H&R shotguns, or other not-top-shelf brands of centerfire arms.

Honestly, I've purchased about 30 guns in my life. Most some 15-20 years ago. Most got sold off or passed to family during bad times. So I'm not new to guns and certainly don't expect a Pietta repro to be a Ruger Old Army, LOL!

At the same time I'd hope they would just "fall apart" either.

Heck, Uberti makes a point of saying theirs are "better than the originals because of modern metalurgy". So the hope was that the manufacturing quality nits would be gone by this late date and all that would remain would be the inherent design weaknesses.

But seems like much that is written leads to the conclusion that flat out poor workmanship is making it out the factory door?

Anyway, I see you have one of the Pietta Target '58s there. How's it shoot? Reasonably accurate? Do the sights move around as some say?

Just out of curiousity what sort of sighting do you do? I used to try for 6 o'clock at 50 yrds, dead on at 100 with my .44 Blackhawks.

A quick P.S. As to being cheap. Well, at the moment I'm having to be frugal whether I like it or not. Given my druthers, I'd go ahead and get match tuned or combat tuned guns as would befit the intended purpose of any given arm. But the economy has bitten my proverbial rear, LOL! There are a number of classics I'd definitely like to own again someday, no doubt about it. As for this gun... well it's going to have to be my "poor man's Blackhawk" for a while.

In any event, members of my family when I was a kid had classics around like "The Rifle in America" and "Complete Guide to Handloading" by Sharpe, "The Modern Gunsmith", etc. So if anything, I'm probably heavily steeped in the "Be extra safe and handload for maximum accuracy" school of thought, LOL!

 

[Das Jaeger]

Flmason

I have not experinced lossening of my rear sights on my adjustable models , personally ? I found that the adjsuting screws and locking screws to be super tightly milled on mine and were very hard to even budge for adjustment . Maybe they adressed that problem in the factory of them loosening ? I shoot some powerhouse laods out of the SS model , no problems .
As far as sigthing goes, I hold top of sight blade or post to top of rear sight blade , and put dead on my X-Ring . That is a very uncommon way to shoot targets , but it is what I do , and is how I hunt also . I hold over or under when hunting at different distances , rather than adjust my post hight of the front sight in my sight line up . It works , for me . When setting my revolver up for shooting , I try to find the load that will do that for me at 25 yards .
The longer barrelled 58 12" , I set for 50 yards . If I am shooting 100 yard sillouhette , I just screw the rear sight up the amount of turns for my load that I know its going to hit true to my sights at that distance . Counting turns is imperitive here so you can put it back to hunting distance .

Personally I think Pietta and Uberti offer you more gun for the money than you get . Euroarms is even better as far the pistols go, my examples of the Rogers and Spencer are Smith and Wesson quality easilly . But then again they are over $400 each .
If your wanting 100% bullet proof reliablity , you can't have it, everything breaks , even an M1 Garand . I do recomend the Mods to the Colts and Remingtons , like plunger hands and such if your worried about reliablity . I am not worried about it . Your more likely to get killed in a gunfight with one of these from a cap not going off than the gun breaking , LOL !

Das Jaeger