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@Das Jaeger - Well, let's hope I never have to get into a gunfight carrying a C&B revolver. But in the event I did have to pull it out, would like to have confidence in it.

No doubt even an M-1 will malfunction. Had one of those "arsenal refinished" ones back when the '68 ban was first lifted. First few rounds... "click"... no bang... apparently the refinishing made the chambers a little bit matt finished and had to be broken in. Slapped a few rounds home by hand... no problem after that.

Only auto I ever had that *never* jammed was an AC41 P-38. Other than that, every auto I have owned has jammed. One of the worst was a SS PPKS with Blazer ammo. It *hated* aluminum cases with a passion. Worse it was machined so sharply, clearing jams fast meant bleeding fingers, LOL!
 
Wild Bill

used and trusted his cap and ball Colts daily , even after the advent of cartridged guns buy
the way . I would feel very confident in my Repros in a gunfight . Notice I said MINE :D I can pack at least six on me at once too :D
I feel pretty safe when I wear a repro Colt anyways , enough to be confident its going to go bang reliably . Would I put my life on the line with them , yes I would without thinkin about it . If yours are not running right , going bang each time , its you thats the problem , not the gun am sure of that . :)

Das Jaeger , now draw sucker :D
 
@Das Jaeger - LOL! You win, don't shoot. LOL!

However I do respectfully disagree. If the gun is running wrong, new in box, that's the manufacturer's fault. If it holds up poorly to reasonable use that's either the engineer's or the manufacturer's fault, depending on the exact issue. (Design weakness, materials failure or faulty build, etc.)

Only of the user has failed to maintain the weapon, or performed some other accepted and defined procedure is it the user's fault.

Otherwise, what you are essentially saying is that a bug in Windows is the purchaser's fault. (Bet Bill Gates would like to make that logic stick, LOL!)

The philosophy at the division of IBM I worked at was that certain failures should be impossible, no matter what the user did short of cancelling the program from the console.

Up to a point, that's a philosophy I'd like to see used for all manufactured items. Granted, some design choice bring some inherent risks. For example, burning a clutch in a car probably can't be designed out of a design that has... well... a clutch, LOL! (Although perhaps that's a bad example. It may be possible to devise some sort of clutch, say some hydraulic principle, that couldn't be burned, ever.)

Now gettin' back to Wild Bill... I understand he also loaded and fired a cylinder full each and every day.

Anyway, I'm quite sure C&B revolvers, built well are quite up to the job. Ruger Old Army is the proof.

The question concerning the Italian imports is whether or not they are truly built up to snuff for serious use vrs. being something sold wherein the manufacturer has decided quality compromises are acceptable given the expected customer?

Since they are repros... can't fault them for things like flat springs. The originals had those. But *crappy* flat springs I could blame them for, for example. Or new in box units with improper timing, for example.
 
Anyway, I'm quite sure C&B revolvers, built well are quite up to the job. Ruger Old Army is the proof.

The question concerning the Italian imports is whether or not they are truly built up to snuff for serious use vrs. being something sold wherein the manufacturer has decided quality compromises are acceptable given the expected customer?
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Hmmm. I wonder if there's any difference in price, and whether that tells you anything about what to expect?

BTW, designing a hydraulic mechanism to prevent clutch burnout is a fool's game - you're simply adding additional failure points.
 
@mykeal - Oh no doubt. The ROA is a Blackhawk with loading ram and percussion cylinder. Still doesn't excuse poor workmanship or materials by other manufacturers of devices expected to handle and direct deadly force. Can't believe anyone would defend that, at any price, really.

Which is the bottom line for me. Firearms should be held to a high standard. Below some level of quality they shouldn't be on the market. If said standard necessitates higher prices, so be it. But don't put true junk on the shelf at any price. If the market won't bear the price of that standard, them in this case, because of the potential for death and dismemberment, better to not produce it.

To me this should be implicit in arms manufacture. Even the low price stuff should be properly made and safe. If it can't be done at the advertised price, then the price must come up. There simply shouldn't be any guns on the shelf that new-in-box are already screwed up. Which is what seemed to be the case in Pettifogger's tuning documents.

As to the clutch, I wasn't suggesting hydraulic control, but perhaps something along the lines of a torque converter principle. Perhaps a clutch without plates in the traditional sense. Point was, essentially, a clutch as we know it is a design subject to abuse via that clutch pedal. To make it impossible for a user destroy it via the clutch pedal, no matter what he does (the standard the software I worked on was held to) you'd have to change the design.
 
FLMason

Hey , I thought you said I won ? :D
I think you just like to debate and argue is what this boils down to . :neener:
I think you could find fault in a Peanut given enough thought about the Peanut . :banghead::D :neener:D
I think the repros are Grand , fine examples of Italys workmanship in general , and the Ruger, ( which aint no more ) is an even finer example of quality and reliability . Hence twice the price :banghead::banghead::banghead:
What I do think is you expect unrealistic strength and stamina out of these guns , and you hold the QC program and the people completely responcible for just being Human in general .
I doubt I could ever work for someone like you , you may have me beheaded for letting the Space Shuttel crash ? :D Oh wait , thats N.A.S.A , it should stay in the sky and never fail , right ! :neener:
See my point , or are you gonna debate this too , I am betting you will :D

With all do respect , hee hee hee :D
Das Jaeger ,who loves his Repros and thinks they are fine right out of the box for what you pay and understands its a machine that for the price has some shortcommings , even in design has its shortcomming , hmmmm ? Yup , thats whe way it really is here in Jaegerville today . :D Cherrios my friend :neener:
 
I agree with Cherrios,er Jaeger ,on this one. Also,you gets what you pays for.
That said, some of the late sixties,early seventies production stuff was pretty rough,and some of it is still out there.
 
The way I see it...

Apples/oranges.

Take two cars (both, brand new). To avoid emotional loyalties muddying up my point... YOU pick 'em for your own brain. They're both fine cars, and do their intended job. One of them costs $20K new... the other one costs $250K new. Someone decides they're wanting to compete with the $250K car with the $20K car. In order to do so... you either need to throw a PILE of money at the $20K car, or have a LOT of talent to achieve it all on your own. That... when I was growing up is what was called "a sleeper". To a learned eye, the sleeper is an awesome work of art and greatly appreciated for what it is and what it will now do. To the unlearned eye, the sleeper is a waste of time/money, because it's only a "XXXX" (you insert brand/model).

NOW... muddy up the scenario... Fast forward 200 yrs. Find yourself a "REPRODUCTION" of that vintage car that once sold for $20K... and begin to expect THAT to compete the "industry standard" of life 200 yrs. later. Yes, it probably CAN be built to the "industry standard" of present day (but, then it's NOT "period correct"... and HOW many people are going to be willing to pay the inflated cost of having something that "looks" period correct, but built to the NEW "standards"... just so that only a FEW (who "require" it) are satisfied?

It's a reproduction of 200 yr old technology... and does it's intended job... AND it's affordable !! Hey... I'm happy. Now... if I want mine to be a sleeper, and EXPECT it to be a sleeper... it's up to ME to make that happen (whether I do it myself or throw a pile of money at it to achieve it).
 
Aye,and there's the rub.Some folks are expecting box stock guns to run like Bob Munden specials.And,they can,too.IF you're Bob Munden, and you give it a tune up.
 
Ha ha ha

oh its comedy central , your both hired , pay is free , how's that sound ? :D
Maybe we should debate it :banghead:

Das Jaeger :D


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Hey... If'n I want'cher opinion... I'll beat it outta yaz. Now... git back to work there you !!! And... take more pix of the progress. :neener:

(Now, boyz... watch the Jaegermeister go and bring a hot rodded repro wheel gun to a 1,000 meter .50 BMG shoot out.) :evil:
 
Hey you

, now you get back to work :what: . Tis my day off , mowing my yard , workin on Pedersolis , some day off . Well , the Pedersolis is fun anyways .
I do have the Dirt Bikes out for a ride later on my track though, yeehaaa .:D

Kentuckys lookin good , see here , invisible Pics, how do like um ? Maybe we should debate whether they are invisible or not ? :banghead: I think they are, what say you ! :D
Stripped the Bounty Hunter , need to start sanding now, all brass in antiqued brass, did that yesterday , beautiful stuff there the black on brass, cool stuff .
I also pollished surfaces on trigger and locks of both , smooth man smooth . Very rudimentary locks , easy to understand and work on . Nice trigger pulls now , smoooooooth , criiiiisssssppppppyyyyyy . :D Pollish then moly , mmm, works good too . I assume ( thats up for debate too :D ) that your TC is commin right along by now ?

Will have piccys by weeks end . Drag races this weekend so out of town mostly . Nice living 60 miles from the track ! Back home to bed at night , more racing the next day , yeee haaa , Nitro in the morning :fire:

Sincerely , Das Jaeger
 
Been busy with other stuffs...

need to get back to the TC this evening. That's ok... a good cure before the next coat won't hurt things any.

Lookin' like I may get to go fishin' this weekend !!! :D Ain't been for WAAAY too many years now. :banghead: Have you looked at what they want for a fishin' license these days ?!?! :eek: :what: And... those bastages in Olympia are gripin' of NOT havin' any money to work with?!?! :cuss:

Give John Force a poke in the ribs for me... since yer ticket IS a "pit-pass".
 
Johns my Driver

, will tell him some onery bastage wants to elbo him in the ribs , so here ya go John ! :D
Longer the cure the better the cure . I love it on the bottle , re-coat every two hours , my arse :scrutiny:
Chris Gregoiur "Skeletor" has spent all our money on her friends dont ya know . Now she is laying off thousands of State workers , worker bees no less , to fund her friends some more :cuss:. Oh to get out of this Hell Hole someday , soon . :fire:
Got a nice ride in today too , yup , I hurt , getting old . :cool:
First coat of Oil is going on Bounty Hunter now , cheerios !

Das Jaeger :)
 
Yup... always enjoyed watching Force make his runs.

Yeah... this State shot itself in the foot once again by re-electing her. She needs taken out to the dump and beat to death with Nancy Pelosi as the club.

I'm beginning to wonder whether the bottle is a typo and it should've said two DAYS between coats. I'm gonna be taking my time on the finish application on the T/C. Heck... I'm even considering some strips of silk epoxied to the inner portions of the stock where it cracked... sort of a "bedding" type reinforcement for it.
 
certainly could not hurt anything

thats for sure . Is the silk from your stockings or hers ? :D
Make sure you put them back in her drawer that way too . You'll be ever so popular :D
Slow is good on the oil . :D And if your keeping the last coat glossy , you know the drill , no dust ! Some good 5F Brownells pollish and it will be as smooth as silk . Pink silk , yours . :D
Good luck with her , and your GUN :)

Das Jaeger
 
Hmmm... apparently you've never learned of the benefit of silk long johns? Cotton ones do not wick moisture away from you... and they're bulky. Silk's more gooder. Also... polypro long johns retain scent... capilene does not. :neener:

Next coat is on and drying in the evening sun/breeze.
 
In Seattle

that would get him many dates , with someone as special as him , hee hee hee :D
Yes , my eye balls are bleeding now , stop Jaeger stop ! :banghead: :uhoh:
I know the drill of silk Ratdogfaceboy68 . Joe Namith swore by them , got lots of dates too . :D


Das Jaeger :)
 
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