Moscow Idaho, looking into carry ban

[JesseL]

Of course, the sort of politician that would seek to disarm law abiding citizens often won't blink at the idea of passing and enforcing a regulation that they know is unconstitutional or otherwise illegal and letting the courts sort it later. All so they can score points with whatever demographic they think they're appealing to.

 

[Standing Wolf]

"We don't want to tread on anyone's Second Amendment rights," Chaney said.

Then sit down, shut up, and don't.

 

[MD_Willington]

Chaney said her concern on city property, in part, stems from the rash of shooting deaths in Latah County over the past five months. She said the May shooting at the courthouse, which resulted in three deaths - including a Moscow police officer - gave her pause about how vulnerable people are in public settings.

She also expressed concern about a trend in some circles to glorify weapons, to the point of armed citizens being encouraged to "swoop in to protect people" during confrontations that should be handled by police.

Sounds contradictory to me... You're vulnerable, but we don't want you to do anything about it.

I guess next time a Latah County Sheriff or Moscow PD officer is being stomped and asks for "civilian" help, said civilian can say "NO... I'm not allowed to carry my legal firearm, defend yourself"...

This is nuts, the LEO's do not have to defend you, been proven more than once....

 

[tmajors]

It's on FreeRepublic now

 

[MD_Willington]

Yep, check it out...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1874861/posts?page=21

 

[ArmedBear]

What kind of crime can a city ordinance be?

Can a city make something a felony? Or just an infraction?

 

[ptmmatssc]

She also expressed concern about a trend in some circles to glorify weapons, to the point of armed citizens being encouraged to "swoop in to protect people" during confrontations that should be handled by police.

Yup , we're all vigilantes . I don't know anyone personally or on any forums (like here) that encourage or practice "swooping in " in most confrontations . Guess I'm hanging around with the wrong group

 

[Pepper46]

I've also sent email to the Latah County Sheriffs office before regarding conceal and carry in church, and the response was I need to recheck my morals.

That's what's wrong with today's law enforcement, and our elected officials. It has been proven through out time, that morality can not be legislated, and it is not the job of an elected official to do so.
Your sheriff should stick to law enforcement and not worry about what you do with your concealed carry weapon, as long as it is legal.

 

[Intrepid Dad]

Quote:
"We don't want to tread on anyone's Second Amendment rights," Chaney said.

Then sit down, shut up, and don't.

+1

This is exactly what I was thinking.

 

[tmajors]

I guess it had to happen eventually. Idaho gets more Kalifornized every year.

Would be completely foreign to me actually having to fight for gun rights here in my home State .

 

[TallPine]

I don't know anyone personally or on any forums (like here) that encourage or practice "swooping in " in most confrontations . Guess I'm hanging around with the wrong group

We're trying to form a SWOOP Team in our neighorhood

So far, snooping is a far as we've gotten

 

[Dave Workman]

Quote:

She also expressed concern about a trend in some circles to glorify weapons, to the point of armed citizens being encouraged to "swoop in to protect people" during confrontations that should be handled by police.

Another Nanny Statist bleating that we have to trust the shepherds.
People are not taking the law into their own hands when they rush to the defense of others in Idaho, IIRC. They are acting within existing self-defense statute.

 

[bvchurch]

Well I live in Idaho, but North of Moscow. I heard about it on our local news tonight and was shocked when I first heard it.

Though, I guess we can't let the good guys have guns, people who want something that is illegal will find a way to get it, whether it be guns, drugs, or sex.

 

[lawson4]

Do I understand this correctly? A murder happens in the courthouse, where guns are prohibited, so the mayor wants to prohibit guns other places? I think she flunked her "critical thinking" class in school.

lawson4

 

[MD_Willington]

Not in the court house, outside, Jason Hamilton was outside with a AK rifle he build from a parts kit and a M1A. He shot up the court house and the vehicles in the parking lot, when Moscow PD responded he shot at the LEO's and Killed one of them with the M1A, we knew the officer who was killed.
Jason then went into the Church and shot it up a bit and killed the Sexton, then himself. Previous to that he shot his wife at their home.

I heard this morning on the radio, that they understand they cannot do anything about property not owned by the city, but they are looking into banning open and concealed acrry on city property, parks, city buildings etcetera...

 

[TallPine]

Not in the court house, outside, Jason Hamilton was outside with a AK rifle he build from a parts kit and a M1A. He shot up the court house and the vehicles in the parking lot, when Moscow PD responded he shot at the LEO's and Killed one of them with the M1A, we knew the officer who was killed.
Jason then went into the Church and shot it up a bit and killed the Sexton, then himself. Previous to that he shot his wife at their home.

Seems to me that what Moscow needs is an ordinance prohibiting people from shooting people inside city limits

 

[tmajors]

they understand they cannot do anything about property not owned by the city, but they are looking into banning open and concealed acrry on city property, parks, city buildings etcetera...

It's not being said but it should be very noted that "city property" would include roads and sidewalks as well.

A ban on city property effectively bans guns everywhere except in home and place of business. Even place of business is questionable depending on the definition of public property used (see movie theaters and such).

 

[Cpl Nobbs]

major strangeness. I live in Moscow and have been involved in the effort to deal with the U of I's refusal to allow legal firearms on campus (the current legal opinion from the AG's office is "hell if we know!, they might, they might not")

we have also been working on a State Preemption Bill. this is the very first I've heard of the state already having Preemption, time to call the AG's office and get blown off again

(update)

TITLE 50
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS
CHAPTER 3
POWERS
50-343. REGULATION OF FIREARMS -- CONTROL BY STATE. No city may in any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession or transportation of firearms when carried or transported for purposes not prohibited by the laws of the state of Idaho.

not a chance of it happening. they MIGHT try to get the state law changed which is very unlikley to happen in a very republican legislature.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Wait . . .

The dude shot someone outside the courthouse?

Killed a cop?

I thought killing cops was illegal in Idaho?

Don't they have a law against that kind of thing?

Well, clearly, we need a law that makes killing cops a felony.

With really, really harsh punishments.

And didn't he kill his wife?

Man, I thought THAT was illegal, too!

Idaho must be a truly liberal state with regard to things like murder.

They should probably outlaw that.

 

[Cpl Nobbs]

there are also reports of one of the weapons in that event being illegaly modified to full auto. (they are keeping almost all the info close)

and

"MOSCOW - No guns have apparently been packed into city council meetings here or carried within city buildings or parks, officials said Tuesday."

I think I can state as a certainty that that statement is not true.

yes, yes I can. it most certainly not true.

 

[MD_Willington]

It's not being said but it should be very noted that "city property" would include roads and sidewalks as well.

A ban on city property effectively bans guns everywhere except in home and place of business. Even place of business is questionable depending on the definition of public property used (see movie theaters and such).

I was thinking the same, unless the county owns the roads, but I doubt that is the case...

"MOSCOW - No guns have apparently been packed into city council meetings here or carried within city buildings or parks, officials said Tuesday."

there are also reports of one of the weapons in that event being illegaly modified to full auto. (they are keeping almost all the info close)

Uh, guess again, totally untrue about the city parks


I heard about the AK too. The semi-auto AK, if assembled incorrectly will fire like that, not very safe, but hey the guy was freaking nuts and coming down off of lithium, so he probably didn't care about that...

 

[mec]

to defend the ID State Constitution, and the Constitution of

If they enforced that, we wouldn't have many public officials left

 

[txgho1911]

Open a can of VCDL on the next council or committee meeting. Fill the building and the grounds. Don't let them think they could ever get any where with an idea of even restricting carry where it is legal to do so now.

Did someone leak the fact that the mayor was considering this or was it through a public statement. So far in Indiana bad rules and ideas are kept in the closet. Check the state legislature and what they are working on. Do not let them sneak bad law into the state.

Good luck.

 

[Al Norris]

not a chance of it happening. they MIGHT try to get the state law changed which is very unlikley to happen in a very republican legislature.

"They" can try and change state law all they want. "They" will run afoul of In re Brickey. Here is the exact wording of the ruling:

While it is, undoubtedly, within the power of the legislature to prohibit the carrying of concealed deadly weapons, and such regulation is a proper exercise of police power, yet the legislature does not possess the power to prohibit the carrying of firearms, as the right to do so is guaranteed to the citizen both by our federal and state constitutions.
....
Under these constitutional provisions [Both U.S. and State], the legislature has no power to prohibit a citizen from bearing arms in any portion of the state of Idaho, whether within or without the corporate limits of cities, towns, and villages. The legislature may, as expressly provided in our state constitution, regulate the exercise of this right, but may not prohibit it.

 

[HiroProX]

Idaho has full state preemption on all aspects of gun law.

She can try, and then get laughed at when the court smacks her down like the idiot she is.