Moscow Idaho, looking into carry ban

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some of you may remember that Moscow Idaho had one of their residents go off the deep end and shoot up the Latah County Courthouse after killing his wife.
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Was this guy legally carrying with a Idaho CCW when this happened? If not, how would such a law change what happened or what will happen in the future?
 
Moscow Idaho, looking into carry ban
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MD I was born in this state and take my word for it, gun bans ain't gonna happen any time soon in Idaho.

Sorry if I missed something as it has been a very long hard day and I didn't read the thread, just the OP.
 
Not leaked, it was a public statement on the front page of the Lewiston Morning Tribune, Lewiston is ~ 20-30 minutes away from Moscow ID.

The story has since been picked up in the national news...

Not sure who is local for the next council meeting, even the people I work with who are impartial or do not even own firearms themselves figure what the Mayor said was out of line...

I don't live in Moscow but I spend my money there, hell most of the Palouse area spends money in Moscow since shopping in Pullman royally sucks, other wise they go to the LC valley.

The other problem is the Students at the Universities would have more clout at a meeting but even they for the most part could care less about the issue.
 
She's still at it folks...

Queen Chaney is still pushing for a handgun ban in Moscow. Even though the Attorney General of Idaho ruled such a ban as unconstitutional.

Chaney is seeking the aid of Representative Shirley Ringo to push a law in Idaho giving cities the right to ban guns.

http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/11/28/56328.aspx

Moscow Pullman Daily News said:
Moscow-Pullman Daily News.

Moscow isn't going to ban guns in city-owned places any time soon, but the idea still is being considered.

State Rep. Shirley Ringo said proposed legislation that would allow cities to regulate firearms in public places won't be ready to go before the Idaho Legislature in its coming session, which begins Jan. 7.

Ringo_ShirleyRingo said the plan would need strong backing before it's ever discussed by legislators. Some of that backing may need to come from the Moscow City Council, and incoming council members have mixed feelings about the idea.

Mayor Nancy Chaney asked Ringo in late October for help in presenting legislation that would disallow firearms in places such as City Hall and public parks, pools and youth facilities. The legislation also could provide enforcement authority, strengthen concealed weapons permits requirements, provide for multi-jurisdictional record-keeping of firearm sales and encourage gun safety education.

In August, Chaney asked City Attorney Randy Fife to write to the Idaho attorney general's office to determine whether the city had the authority to regulate firearms. Deputy Attorney General Stephen A. Bywater sent a reply in September stating the city cannot restrict people from legally carrying firearms.

Chaney then sent letters to Ringo, Rep. Tom Trail and state Sen. Gary Schroeder. Ringo responded, offering her help in drafting and presenting legislation.

Ringo said she's happy to help the mayor, but getting the legislation ready to go before the Legislature won't be easy.

"There's no point in going down there with something that doesn't have a chance," she said.

Moscow's City Council must first decide what direction it wants to go with the legislation, Ringo said.

The issue has been pending before Moscow's Administrative Committee for several weeks, but has been delayed. Chaney was out of town when it was first scheduled to be discussed. Councilman Aaron Ament requested the most recent delay on Monday because he was ill and could not attend the Administrative Committee meeting.

The issue likely will be brought back to the Administrative Committee on Dec. 10.

Chaney said she has drafted a resolution to be considered by the City Council regarding the legislation. However, the discussion likely won't reach the council until after three new members are seated in January.

Councilman-elect Dan Carscallen said he won't support the legislation.

"I don't think that it's a problem, for one. I mean, I don't think that making it illegal is going to stop somebody from doing something untoward," he said. "If somebody's going to cross that line, a law's not going to stop it."

Chaney said restricting guns in City Hall helps ensure open government by making sure no one at a public meeting is intimidated because someone with an opposing viewpoint is armed.

Carscallen said if armed intimidation is a concern, "then you've got bigger problems than just somebody packing a gun around."

Councilman-elect Walter Steed said he's willing to discuss the issue, but does not have enough information to take a position.

"I don't know all of the circumstances that brought the mayor to the decision that she needed to make that request," he said.

Steed said he doesn't know why anyone would feel the need to bring a firearm into City Hall. He and Councilman-elect Wayne Krauss agreed that enforcing a ban on firearms in places such as City Hall would be incredibly difficult.

Krauss said the legislation wouldn't stop someone intent on committing a crime from doing so.

"I don't think this is creating the solution that the mayor wants to see happen," he said. "If you've got some conflict-resolution problems that are going on, simply telling somebody that you can't bring a weapon in City Hall is not going to solve that problem."

Councilman Tom Lamar, who was appointed to the council in June and elected in November, said it makes sense to look at the legislation.

"It certainly makes sense to consider not having firearms in those areas for obvious reasons," he said. "Guns aren't really going to be needed in the City Hall. Guns aren't going to be needed in the Eggan Youth Center. Guns aren't needed in the Hamilton Recreation Center."

Lamar said having the state Legislature look at the issue also will help clarify what powers entities such as cities and counties have in regard to regulating firearms.

Chaney said people are justifiably protective of their rights when discussing this issue.

"The objective is not to trounce on people's constitutional rights, but rather to provide for people's safety as best as we can, as best we are authorized to do by law," she said.

Chaney said she is just asking Ringo and the other legislators to consider carrying legislation forward. If the final answer is no, "then that's what we deal with at that point."

Ringo said she personally would prefer that people not be allowed to carry firearms to public meetings.

The legislation likely would have "even odds" if it had the support of the Idaho Association of Cities and the Idaho Police Chiefs Association, Ringo said. It would take a lot of work for even that because the issue is so sensitive.

"The thing that we have to realize is that Idaho is maybe stronger than many states in terms of people wanting to protect their rights to have guns," she said. "It wouldn't be a given to get it done."
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ok, some background.

I really want to see this letter from the Sheriff about "morals" and guns in church. for a Democrat our Sheriff has NO problem with gun ownership that we have seen, as far as we can tell his only "thing" is that when a Class 3 comes in he likes to be invited to try it out before it goes to the owner.

he also publicly stated that the Mayor was being a fool about banning being of any effect.

the Mayor used to be a RN. Registered Nurse. and we know what that indoct is like

the comment about "swooping in to play hero" is about a local young man with a CCW who hoped on his bike and rode 5 blocks to "save the day". got shot up pretty good for his effort. to the best of my knowledge no charges are being considered, no idea if he will be keeping his CCW.

there has been a effort in the Idaho Legislation for several terms now to extend the Preemption to any state agency or post secondary educational facility. the response has always been "why would we need that, everyone knows they can't ban firearms in Idaho"

hopefully this business with the University of Idaho refusing to recognize state issued permits (such as Drivers Licenses) and the actions of a Lame Duck Mayor will move that along.

Ringo has 0% chance of getting anything passed or changed.

and as for getting people out, with the exception of a few of us, the shooting community here is "why bother, it's not gonna happen"
 
It's really scary, and depressing, the way we're faced with these Emperor's New Clothes lunacies, and the media, and most of the public, just go along with it.

If she said she was worried about grizzly attacks, and was therefore wanting to outlaw teddy bears, even the MSM would be scratching their heads, or rolling their eyes.

But if the subject is gun use by law-breakers, it is passively accepted that you punish the law-abiding. :(

Sort of magical thinking - if you punish gun-owners who are harmless, you will somehow be protected from those who are dangerous. :banghead:
 
it helps very little that the management of the Moscow PD is anti gun.

Basic Recap

guy shot his wife who worked at the SO, then went and shot up the front of the SO, from in the parking lot. county offices and Court are in the same block, shot 2 officers responding, killed 1, went across street, broke into a church, killed the caretaker, then himself)

http://tinyurl.com/2vh9dg

building in the middle, SO is bottom right side, court bottom left side, County Offices
white part on right side.

in one press conference after the shottings the Deputy Chief (not the Chief, and not the Public Liason Officer) he referred to a M1 Garand, a M1 Carbine, a M1, a Semi Auto AK-47 and a full auto AK-47 all interchangeably.

one of the senior detectives is also on record as being opposed to CCW because "I see students getting a CCW and then waving them around to impress there friends"

when questioned about it he refused to answer. nor has anyone been able to find anyone charged with brandishing or equivilent.
 
Heard from a reliable source that Gov Butch Otter is already on this moron's case about this. :D
 
to which of the morons do you refer? the Mayor? the City Attorney? the Chief of Moscow PD? Shirley Ringo?
 
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The dude shot someone outside the courthouse?

Killed a cop?

I thought killing cops was illegal in Idaho?

Don't they have a law against that kind of thing?

Well, clearly, we need a law that makes killing cops a felony.

With really, really harsh punishments.

And didn't he kill his wife?

Man, I thought THAT was illegal, too!

Idaho must be a truly liberal state with regard to things like murder.

They should probably outlaw that.
 
as far as we can tell his only "thing" is that when a Class 3 comes in he likes to be invited to try it out before it goes to the owner.
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Is this the firearms version of jus primae noctis or what?
 
Didn't go anywhere. The code section cited is obsolete; Idaho's pre-emption is now found at Idaho Code §18-3302J:

TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 33
FIREARMS, EXPLOSIVES AND OTHER DEADLY WEAPONS
18-3302J.Preemption of firearms regulation. (1) The legislature finds that uniform laws regulating firearms are necessary to protect the individual citizen’s right to bear arms guaranteed by amendment 2 of the United States Constitution and section 11, article I of the constitution of the state of Idaho. It is the legislature’s intent to wholly occupy the field of firearms regulation within this state.
(2) Except as expressly authorized by state statute, no county, city, agency, board or any other political subdivision of this state may adopt or enforce any law, rule, regulation, or ordinance which regulates in any manner the sale, acquisition, transfer, ownership, possession, transportation, carrying or storage of firearms or any element relating to firearms and components thereof, including ammunition.
Link: http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title18/T18CH33SECT18-3302J.htm
 
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