Mosin Nagant - Am I the only one who does NOT like these?

Mosin - Love, Like or Leave?

  • Love the Mosin - will not be without at least one.

    Votes: 131 36.3%
  • Like the Mosin - take it or leave it.

    Votes: 141 39.1%
  • Leave it - nothing good to say about it.

    Votes: 89 24.7%

  • Total voters
    361
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I have a M 38 and I really like it.Sure it's a ugly duckling but it is a piece of history it's functions well and it has a wide range of ammo. I reload my ammo if I want real accuracy. I did install a Limb Saver recoil pad and it helped a lot.I think for the money you give for one it would be hard to beat.
 
To me, the Mosin is a utility rifle. I enjoy shooting mine (3x 91/30, 1x M44) but enjoy them for what they are. Most aren't MOA, bu that's not why I own them. They are a nice, affordable piece of history that makes a big boom when touched off!
 
This is odd.

I have like 50 posts set to display per page, and I'm showing three pages.

I can only see the second one. I hit the third page and it takes me back here!

Josh
 
Folks,

The fact remains that the Finnish M39 is considered one of the best, if not the best, bolt action of WWII.

You see, the Mosin-Nagant was set up to be hand-fitted much like a 1911. The Soviets took this to the other extreme: Most of their Mosins were mix masters.

My Izhevsk has a lot of Tula parts, including the ejector, interrupter, and bolt head.

What fitting there was done, was done for another rifle.

So, after studying the Finnish stuff, I got going.

About a year ago I was looking into sights. Figured that improving the 91/30 sights were the best bet, not retrofitting the M91 or M39 sights.

And, a business was accidentally born -- Smith-Sights LLC. I still have the original prototype on my favorite Mosin, and it's still going strong!

Got to studying the Finnish two-stage trigger. Well, I don't really need a two-stage though I might have to make up a two-stage roller trigger. As is, I reduce the trigger pull to about 5.5 lbs with proper sear manipulation and by putting a single rolling pin in one certain spot.

The trigger pull length is also reduced by about half. I've had it break very crisply in the past -- on par with a modern rifle -- but it raised the pull weight back up to about 8 pounds. I didn't like that!

Accuracy is improved with shimming. With a shimmed action and a floated barrel with 5lb pressure point up front, my Mosin will shoot around an inch with handloads at 100 yards, RESTED. I cannot do better than about 2.5" at that same range, with just a front rest.

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Long military chambers usually benefit from handloads. Fireform the cases and the long chambers don't matter!

The magazine should have no problem feeding. Rimlock should not occur regardless of how the rims are stacked. Make sure your rounds are not nosing up if you're experiencing rimlock; that follower spring must be fitted or you'll have problems.

Likewise, the ejector assembly, when fit correctly, should allow you to load the rounds into the magazine from a stripper clip/charger about as easily one would with a Gewehr 88 or Mauser action of any sort.

The Finns made a special magazine to further help eliminate rimlock, and they're readily available for under $20.

The bolts, if still sticky after removing the cosmoline, are subject to improper fitting of the camming surfaces on the bolt knob. You know how most get stuck about halfway up? That's the same place a certain index on said knob must be overcome. During wartime production this index was not well fitted and one can observe, in documentaries of Russian troops, some pulling the bolt knobs back before cycling the bolt!

After figuring these things out, my 91/30 has become my favorite all-around rifle. Its tolerances will take mud but the bolt works slicker than snot, the trigger is rugged and feels great, and the rifle is accurate as all get out!

Total time to make it like this? Maybe, added all up and throwing experimentation time out, one day.

Remember, these were made during a time when everything was fitted. How would a 1911 work, if it weren't hand-fitted? Heck, even in these days of MIM the 1911 is about 50/50 whether it will work without hand fitting. Some famous manufacturers of the 1911 have been finding this out...

And hand fitting the Mosin-Nagant really just isn't hard, either. It's just time the Russians couldn't take. The Finns could as they weren't arming a HUGE army, and this is why their methods are best followed today.

Now, if you've made it this far, chances are you want to know what all I did.

I'll put my full information here, and write me if you would like to be guided through the process.

Regards,

Josh Smith
Smith-Sights LLC
www.smith-sights.com
[email protected]

Again, write me if you would like to know what steps I've taken. I would post it here but it will be rather exhaustive, I think. Best to keep it to email. Regards, J.S.
 
Nice write up Josh Smith. I am curious about the barrel floating you did. I am an owner of a Smith Sight. I can say it is a great improvement over the Mosin sight, I love mine. And if you are a milsurp purist, you can replace your stock sight in 20, 30 seconds with a sight tool.
 
If one studies WW-2 Soviet history, you'll see they had it pretty rough (major understatement) for a while and needed a simple yet effective rifle that could be mass produced and would be tougher than the winters in which it fought. Since the model was a proven design they produced them by the millions, with the primary focus on functionality over esthetics.
The Mosin Nagant rifle served it's intended purpose exactly as it was designed to do, and did it well.
 
war time mosins,both m91/30's,and m38/m44s leave alot to be desired...my 1943 izzy's reciever looks like it was carved from hot cheese by a 3rd grader.....the pre war hex reciever rifles are fine gun's with good craftsmanship and usually more consistant bore diameters....now the finnish nagants like the m39 and m28/30 are a breed apart and are,in my opinion,equal to the k98k,springfield,k31,lee-enfield ect...
 
I do like them fine...heck I own 3 of them. But I also thing that is a pretty darn big IF in smiths statement on the best.....I guess it depends on how you define best.

I am also not sold on the finn holy grail....so much depends on the condition of each rifle. I have seen crate 89.99 rifles shoot tighter groups then finn rifles....allowing it to cool between shots so it will not start to string too badly.

One thing is for sure they do come in a flavor for everyone.
 
Have seen then at Gun Shows. Some looked pretty good. Price seemed cheap enough. As far as wanting one........... I have no interest.
 
I have a M38 with a laminated stock, it's in very good condition. I call it "The Dragon Slayer" It's one of my favorite rifles...It's a keeper!
 
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