Most any gun will do if you'll do.....

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Being gun folks, we tend to obsess about one flavor of JHP versus another for our blasters or other obsessive details. This is a security can of a lady who had her door kicked in and drove the armed home invaders off and then had to re-engage when one attacked again.

http://www.wxyz.com/news/mom-opens-fire-on-home-invaders-in-detroit-to-defend-children

Watch till the end, nice lesson on mindset and just plain dealing with a bad situation. The tool didn't matter, her determination and keeping her wits about her saved the day.
 
Cool, Ive been saying that all along. Ive also been receiving amazing amounts of criticism from the keyboard warriors. :)... great lesson here though. That thing was a rusty junk bucket, you can hear it shooting well though :)
 
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highpoint 995!, and all you people said it was worthless for home defense!
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But.....she didn't hit anyone.....

Don't know why it's titled "Any gun will do if you will do..." since the gun used isn't a bad or lacking choice at all.

It must've been kept handy for her to have retrieved it in time, which is good.

The best lesson here is, aside from being ready, is to not drop your guard too soon. 99% of the time, the bad guy doesn't come back for more, but this time one did....and she was still ready to go.
 
But.....she didn't hit anyone.....
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I'm OK with that. She won, they ran like rats. Of note (and to support your point), they chose to run and if they had chose to re-group and attack (for the 3rd time), she may have been in trouble.

since the gun used isn't a bad or lacking choice
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You got me there. Thought it was a provocative title. :)

While perhaps not optimum, the Hi Point did the job. Good to have something on hand as opposed to having that AR-15 on lay-away. Bird in the hand and all that. ;)
 
I remember a similar thread also involving a Hi-Point used in a HD situation. That thread went south pretty quickly, as I recall.

But, I stand by the belief that there are few, if any, bad guys any of us would face in ten lifetimes that would soldier on against an otherwise well-executed firearm-defense even if the weapon (or caliber) was one many here consider "inferior."

Also, as I recall, it was Detroit's police chief that himself came under fire, so to speak, for publicly commenting that an armed citizenry could make the city's streets safer.

EDIT: Found the other thread, and it's regarding this same incident. It was locked over a mis-interpretation of the opener's wording; it was assumed he was bashing the brand.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=744556&highlight=High+Point
 
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It must've been kept handy for her to have retrieved it in time, which is good.

The best lesson here is, aside from being ready, is to not drop your guard too soon. 99% of the time, the bad guy doesn't come back for more, but this time one did....and she was still ready to go.
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Says they had recently installed security cameras, i wonder if she had it out before they started kicking.

Very surprised they thought about going back. The C:B analysis on robbing a house goes way down once there are flying bullets involved.
 
Great story! I agree, they are "punks" and "lowlifes". God knows what possessed the one ******bag to pick up his dropped gun (!) and walk back into the house!:what: Kudos to mom, with one caveat: She's gotta find a range and start practicing more!

I also agree that the Hi-Points is a pretty serviceable defensive arm for a fixed position like your house. They may be hideously fugly but I've never heard a single bad work about their reliability (the carbines, that is). I expect her Hi-Point gives as good of service as my HK USC...more or less.;)
 
While she was successful in repelling the attack, she didn't hit anyone.

The question is, was she trying to?

If not, why not? If yes, then how could she miss?

I hope a local gun group pays her tuition for a gun class.
 
Some may argue that The Armed Citizen column of the American Rifleman is not a valid but rather a slanted depository of information. After forty plus years of reading the published reported incidences the intended victims apparently manage to muddle thru it. Under the circumstances resolving to fight is the most important aspect as opposed to weapon type and tactics.
 
David E writes:

While she was successful in repelling the attack, she didn't hit anyone.

The question is, was she trying to?

If not, why not? If yes, then how could she miss?

I hope a local gun group pays her tuition for a gun class.
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The video I saw only shows the scene from outside. Where can I see the one you saw, that shows it from the inside?

Until I can see what you did, I can't speculate on where she was hunkered down, what she was hiding behind, how she was securing her children, or what was between her and the intruders when she fired.
 
A Hi-Point 4595 carbine chambered in .45 ACP, with the addition of a decent red-dot optic/reflex sight and a tactical light would be an excellent weapon for close-range, home-defense scenarios.

1. Highly reliable: Whatever the internet commandos say, the Hi-Point carbines are well known to be reliable guns and are tolerant of abuse.

2. Increased hit probability over handgun: The carbine give the shooter much more to hold on to in order to support the firearm, contributing to excellent controlability and practical accuracy over a .45 ACP handgun.

3. Improved ammo performance: The carbine's 16" bbl gives the weapon superior muzzle velocity over any .45 ACP handgun, increasing energy and minimizing muzzle-blast and report in the process. As we all know, the .45 ACP is an excellent combat round and the longer barrel provides even more damage capacity to this awesome cartridge.

4. Options: The Hi-Point carbines can accept things like optical sights and lights that can be tricky to mount on a handgun.

As you can see, the Hi-Point carbines, especially the .45 ACP version, are simply underrated for the duties of home defense. As far as ammo capacity is concerned, the .45 carbine accepts 9 round magazines with 1 in the chamber for a total of 10 rounds. This is even better than the capacity of the USMC's new M45A1 1911 pistol's capacity of 8+1. It is highly unlikely that a home defense operator would ever need more than 10 rounds of potent .45 ACP firepower to eliminate the threat/threats posed by home invasion. Oh, and did I mention the average street price of about $200??

Cooldill out.
 
Agree except for Mentally Ill and Drug Induced. Anyone who has ever had to deal with these two issues will understand that caliber and Bullet placement DO Matter (mainly bullet placement).
 
My father used to say that when you need a gun having ANY gun is so much better than not having a gun that deciding which gun is a nearly insignificant detail.
 
Guns & tactics....

I didn't see the link but if it's the small woman who discharges the Hi Point Carbine at the thugs in her lot then I'm aware of it.
Reportedly(by the woman/shooter herself) she fired 1/2 rounds into the wall, :uhoh: as a "warning".
This has been discussed on gun forums before but I would not discharge warning shots or teach my spouse/girlfriend/wife to fire off any rounds to "scare away" a violent attacker.
My state & the current AG(Atty General) have clearly said firearms are meant for lethal force. No rock salt, no rubber bullets, no stage blanks.

There are 100s of hardened, aggressive felons & ex-cons you(or your family member) are not going to scare or intimidate. They will feign compliance or take advantage of almost any situation when faced with a armed citizen.
Even sworn, uniformed LE officers with 4/5 weapons get over-powered & killed. :eek:

Overall, I commend the citizen for her bravery & determination but it's a good lesson for others who plan to keep a loaded gun or two in the home for protection.
 
Even sworn, uniformed LE officers with 4/5 weapons get over-powered & killed.
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This is actually more common with LEOs than with private citizens, and the reason why kind of nullifies the comparison.

Bad guys have a much easier time "escaping" from armed citizens who have countered their assaults. In the vast majority of such incidents, the BG can break off and flee, with little fear that his intended victim will continue to pursue and try to apprehend him. In fact, in most jurisdictions, such action may, in addition to being tactically unwise on the part of the victim, it may also be unlawful if deadly force is used.

LEOs are obligated to stay in the fight. If the BG breaks off and flees, just as with the LAC, the threat to the LEO ends. But, the LEO then re-instigates the encounter in an attempt to effect an arrest; he essentially becomes the "new aggressor". This puts the BG on the defensive, and the fight continues.

This is why we so frequently hear of LEOs, despite their being armed and trained, being killed or maimed, and so rarely hear of LACs who surprise their would-be attackers with a well-executed firearms defense being so.
 
If it's all you have, believe it or not but in some countries where it is highly difficult or totally impossible to (legally) possess modern cartridge firearms, some people keep black powder weapons for home defense as they simply have no other legal option.

Something like a Remington 1858 .44 caliber cap and ball revolver, while far from ideal, would still do the job of home defense today just as it did 150 years ago. Making sure the proper combination of caps/powder/balls are used so the gun is reliable and paying attention to the loading process, a person would be far from unarmed with one. A soft lead .44 caliber ball at 900 or so FPS would ruin anyone's day.

It just goes to show, rule #1 is to HAVE a gun. That is the most important thing.
 
Gunfire seems to alter a person's goals and motivation. Just a thought.
 
Re-instigates?....

I'm not exactly sure what the legal term; re-instagates means. :confused:

A sworn LEO is mandated to pursue a criminal subject & evoke a arrest unless they are ordered/instructed not to.
A cop or state trooper who chases a felon & fights with them(uses force) isn't the "aggressor". The PD or LE agency will be fully aware of the sworn personnel's statements & actions(see the recent incident in Kansas City MO with the off duty officer & the fire-fighter groom).
Now some LE agencies & PDs do restrict what a sworn officer can do or how they effect an arrest considering the circumstances. Crimes like shop-lifters or GTA(grand theft auto) may have LE officers break contact depending on the conditions but if a cop is being attacked or assaulted, I highly doubt any PD or sheriff's office would turn responding officers away/order them off.

In the early 2000s, when I first relocated to where I live now, the county sheriff at the time gave a patrol deputy formal disciplinary actions for being a coward.
The sworn deputy sheriff refused to aid citizens & avoided using the agency use of force standards to make an arrest.

Rusty
 
My father used to say that when you need a gun having ANY gun is so much better than not having a gun that deciding which gun is a nearly insignificant detail.
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Your father was a smart fellow. Claude Werner did an extensive analysis of the Armed Citizen page published in the NRA's American Rifleman magazine and came to that same conclusion. :)
 
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