Most Overrated Rifle?

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Never said the M14 wasn't good. Just overrated for what you get. Way too much cash for less than a marginal increase in performance.

Ash
 
Apples and orange. The current does not do what the original was introduced to do. The "modern" m14 is a good rifle, but at the "modernized" cost, it is way overrated, and over priced, for what you get.

Ash
 
Krochus

We'll have to agree to disagree. I admit much of the 700's design was for ease fo mfg. But the simplicity of design offered accuracy as a side effect. I don't claim 700's are perfect by any stretch, but I think they hold their own in a line up of all mass produced actions.

I agree with you totally about the firearms industry being an interesting place in the future. Global marketplace, tacticool mall ninjas, and a stomach turning love affair with AR 15's has turned the marketplace upside down. I don't see the marketplace responding favorably especially with the changes we've seen thus far. Guns keep getting built cheaper and cheaper with plastics and MIM becoming commonplace in a market that would have rejected it just 10 years ago. I especially have a problem when those plastic or MIM parts are used in critical areas of the gun so even a gunsmith can't polish up the parts to slick up a trigger.(New Smith & Wesson revolvers)
 
Anything made by H&K! Had a 91 the rifle would beat the living crap out of you. And the retractable stock feels like some one punching you in the shoulder every time you pull the trigger!:barf:

Also add anything from Kimber! There rifles are way overpriced and the ones I have examined were no better than any Remington or Winchester! And it's probably not appropriate but there pistols are full of cheap Mim and Cast parts and they try to command a premium for them. Heck they don't even polish the flats on most of there SS pistols ***????:cuss:
 
alot of mention about H&K and I won't disagree completely but I do disagree with the USP series pistols,I love them.One of the most comfortable left hander friendly forty-fives I know,that Sig Sauer is also.


personally I think milsurp .45's aren't over rated by they are over priced.



But one thing is obvious in this thread is that gun tastes are a very personal taste no matter how knowledgeable or old a person is,which military folk who both praise and curse the M16 demonstrate.
 
Horsemany, you can't polish a MIM part?
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Here's what I've found. Hardening on MIM parts often does not go as deep as a more dense machined or forged piece. Therefore when stoning and polishing a MIM part is possible to stone through the hardened steel to the softer steel beneath. At this point you can throw away the part and wish you had a gun built the way they used to be. Ask any gunsmith what he thinks of the new MIM parts on Smith & Wessons and how good of a trigger job he can do compared to the old ones.

So to answer your question more specifically, yes you can polish MIM parts. It's just not as good of a job sometimes. The other thing I don't like about MIM parts is when they mold a part that's too large and it warps as it cools. Smith & Wesson latches are like this. They are often bent as are Remmy 700 BDL iron sights that are now MIM and the last one I bought you could see daylight between it and the barrel. This was never the case when those parts were machined.

MIM's probably OK if they'd stick to non critical parts.

Sorry to steer so far off topic. Even though it's rifles can I vote for Glock?
 
Ar-10

This rifle can never be over-rated in .243 Winchester, but certainly it's under-rated. Over-rated could be called an AR-15 in 5.56mm NATO. Still the .223 Remington is an extremely fine varmint round. The Military missed the boat regarding the 2100 ft/lbs of muzzle energy housed within the .243 Winnie Pooh, aka 6mm NATO as it should have been called years ago. Bias? Me? cliffy
 
Any of those single shot break open rifles that sell for five to ten times what they used to sell for when they were considered poor single shot shotguns.
 
I agree with the G3.
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Anything made by H&K! Had a 91 the rifle would beat the living crap out of you.
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Oh yeah? I thought that there were some men on this forum. Complaining about your shoulder? There are many rifles that recoil..(300 WM, 7mmRM) That makes them 'overrated?'
I'll meet any of you at the range any day with my PTR 91 and show what an iron-sighted G3 in the hands of a mere novice can do.

Over rated... Mini 14; AR 15; M14
 
taprackbang: It's not the recoil of the G3, it's the fact it's a poorly redesigned CETME at outrageous prices. At $600, it's not to bad. Above that, it's overpriced.

HundK won't sell to civilians if it can avoid it, treats them with contempt, and their fan club is full of Airsoft bois and gamers who've never handled one.

They're not BAD guns, but they're not even close to the best in the world, despite their marketing department.

Add in a couple of design defects and the praise is boggling at times.

As to the Rem 700, there's an African game forum where they curse it as a total POS that is statistically guaranteed to fail during a hunt. A lot of outfitters recommend against it if they don't outright forbid it. They're not real happy with Winchesters, either. I don't do safari, so I can't comment personally.
 
taprackbang: It's not the recoil of the G3, it's the fact it's a poorly redesigned CETME at outrageous prices. At $600, it's not to bad. Above that, it's overpriced.
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I believe the CETME is overrated, whereas the PTR is a pleasant experience. It (PTR) is built using HK machinery (albeit stateside, CT) augmented with HK parts. (IE Bolt Assembly) The CETME has some significant differences between it and the HK. If you said CETMEs were overrated, I would probably agree with you then. Many CETMEs have POA vs POI issues, while the PTR is super accurate right out of the box. I have had ZERO malfs, ZERO performance issues with it.
 
A lot of Kimber bashing on here. My Kimber model 82 has been excellent and the barrel is as good as any I have seen, I don't give up many points to guys shooting Anchutz's.

My Kimber Super Match has also been great. Reliable and accurate, no issues at all.
 
Hearsay has overated many a gun.But lets be honest....MOST of these guns have got the job done military or otherwise.In my humble belief...how can you overrate a gun if it got the job done during it's time period?Sure legend BLOWS alot out of reality.A Garand is still a fine piece in any era.An AK47 is perhaps the finest battle weapon of all time.At 200 yds I'll take the Garand.At 50...I'll take the AK.The M4 is a good weapon.Is it overrated?It does what it's supposed to do..223 isn't a magic caliber.But it does do the job within its limits.It's not the end all be all of guns....no gun is.I guess what I'm saying is no gun will live up to OUR hype.
 
AR. Direct gas system.

Might be flawless if you clean it, but any gun you have to clean for it to work up to it's perfection is a bad military gun.

Mine is going to be a target gun. Because they are really accurate. If they are clean.
 
1. TC single shot rifles. I see no reason to buy one of these rifles. Way, way overpriced. Inaccurate. Replacement barrels are too expensive so that selling point is rendered null and void. And hell, why use a single shot for hunting if you don't have to? Do you still ride a wagon to work? Then why use a type of firearm from that same technological era.

2. Mini 14s. As I recall they used to use one on the old TV show "The A-Team". They must have fired 20,000 rounds with it on that show and never actually hit or killed anyone. I used to think that was merely because of how the show was scripted. Then I fired a few myself and realized that they were just trying to deliver an ultra realistic depiction of the weapons capabilities. I used to call my cousins Mini 14, 'Minute of Barn Door."

3. Benelli shotguns. Don't own one but I've shot them. There is nothing wrong with them but there is also nothing that makes them worth 600 or 700 more dollars than some other shotguns.

4. Ruger M77. I was shocked to find these guns have such fierce defenders at some websites. Most I have encountered or owned shot about 3 inch groups at 100 yards and had a lawyer trigger that broke at a nice crisp 17 pounds.

5. Kimber Rifles. You can't sling a dead cat on the internet without hitting a thread started by some poor b@###%d who has just dented his kids college fund for one and can't get it to keep three shots on a catalope at 100 yards. Wanna see a facial expression that exudes the phrase "Red Ass". Watch a guy at the range with a brand new Kimber getting his ass smoked by another guy with a 200 dollar Mossberg.
 
There was a thread on arfcom where some troll was extolling the accuracy of their new mini 14, and the first response out of the gate was "you shoot at barns?"

I've heard various explanations for the inability of most mini 14s to hold a group. Mostly, all I know is that they can't.
 
Well, I have a Mini-14GB, a former Mississippi State Trooper gun, and it is more accurate than any SKS I have owned (Russian, Chinese, or Yugoslav). Yeah, apples to oranges and my Mini is not as accurate as the several AR's I have owned, but it is an accurate carbine all the same (not accurate enough for competition and certainly not enough for shooting a pistol out of the hand of a baddie, but certainly good enough for coyote at good ranges).

Reputations are earned for a reason, of course, but in the case of the mini, the reputation has been greatly increased by exaggeration. In this case, I would not say the mini-14 is overrated, but rather its reputation for inaccuracy is way overrated, if it bears a kernal of truth.

That said, for the money you can certainly get something more accurate. Mine stays because the AR's didn't talk to me and I wanted something less AK-ish for my post Katrina type scenarios (of course, post Katrina I carried an EAA Witness and then for only one day because it got in the way of the chainsaw and we in Mississippi are civilized).

Ash
 
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