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I hope that those aren't full blown Magnums!
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I was in the Army, too. I used to clean my guns accordingly. And, obviously, these are not combat firearms. If I were in a war zone, such as Tel Aviv or Chicago, I would be keeping them clean.This has just kind of tunred into an experiment.
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Yeah, I ignored the post to which you were responding here. I don't have a problem with people who clean their guns every time they shoot them. That has been my policy my entire life...until...I'm shooting so much that I just couldn't keep up with it.
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You actually pointed out an error. I'll correct it.
My 2 cents.
We are in the best of times for semi-auto reliability.. Course we have had over a 100+ years to fine tune them. I dont own anything that I would deem unreliable*.
My definition of reliability is not zero malfuntions ever though. Rather 1 out of a several thousand is acceptable. The only guns I own that havent had a bobble simply have not been shot enough.
*Except an old Rohm RG10 thats been in my safe for decades. Its more of a novelty item though. I think I traded a can of copenhagen for it many moons ago.
We are in the best of times for semi-auto reliability.. Course we have had over a 100+ years to fine tune them. I dont own anything that I would deem unreliable*.
My definition of reliability is not zero malfuntions ever though. Rather 1 out of a several thousand is acceptable. The only guns I own that havent had a bobble simply have not been shot enough.
*Except an old Rohm RG10 thats been in my safe for decades. Its more of a novelty item though. I think I traded a can of copenhagen for it many moons ago.
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No malfunctions with any of the SIG P series pistols, save for a 9mm p226 which didn't like the 32 round promags, no malfunctions with any of the following single stack 1911s either except with one bad magazine; Dan Wesson, Springfield, Colt, Kimber.
No HK malfunctions with the USP 40, HK45, or MK23 though I don't have very many rounds through those.
The XDM elite compacts have been flawless as well.
No malfunctions with the Beretta 92S or 92X save for both having lousy accuracy.
The few dozen revolvers I have, (Ruger, Colt, Smith & Wesson, Magnum Research, Dan Wesson and Taurus, Pietta, Taylors & Co, Uberti) have all been perfectly reliable except for;
A 3 screw Blackhawk 357/9mm convertible which has two tight chamber throats that are too tight for lead ammo and some plated and FMJ to chamber all the way.
A S&W 500 Magnum which had to go back to the factory for light primer strikes. Something to do with the crane getting fixed. I forgot exactly.
H&R 929 22lr. A stupid plastic part inside broke, causing light primer strikes. I have since replaced with a metal one and now it's great.
No malfunctions from the Winchester, Browning, Marlin, and Henry Lever actions.
No malfunctions from any of these bolt actions or single shots(Ruger, Browning, TC, Weatherby, Christensen, Remington, Winchester) except for a Savage accu-trigger.
The Colt AR-15, the Tavor and Vepr Rifles, and
the Remington, Baikal, CZ, Weatherby and Tavor shotguns have all been 100%
Bond Arms derringer has had no issues. Though it only has about 25 rounds through it.
I have guns from all the large major manufacturers that are popular in the US. Notice the Glocks I have didn't make the cut.
No HK malfunctions with the USP 40, HK45, or MK23 though I don't have very many rounds through those.
The XDM elite compacts have been flawless as well.
No malfunctions with the Beretta 92S or 92X save for both having lousy accuracy.
The few dozen revolvers I have, (Ruger, Colt, Smith & Wesson, Magnum Research, Dan Wesson and Taurus, Pietta, Taylors & Co, Uberti) have all been perfectly reliable except for;
A 3 screw Blackhawk 357/9mm convertible which has two tight chamber throats that are too tight for lead ammo and some plated and FMJ to chamber all the way.
A S&W 500 Magnum which had to go back to the factory for light primer strikes. Something to do with the crane getting fixed. I forgot exactly.
H&R 929 22lr. A stupid plastic part inside broke, causing light primer strikes. I have since replaced with a metal one and now it's great.
No malfunctions from the Winchester, Browning, Marlin, and Henry Lever actions.
No malfunctions from any of these bolt actions or single shots(Ruger, Browning, TC, Weatherby, Christensen, Remington, Winchester) except for a Savage accu-trigger.
The Colt AR-15, the Tavor and Vepr Rifles, and
the Remington, Baikal, CZ, Weatherby and Tavor shotguns have all been 100%
Bond Arms derringer has had no issues. Though it only has about 25 rounds through it.
I have guns from all the large major manufacturers that are popular in the US. Notice the Glocks I have didn't make the cut.
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They were magnum loads but at starting charge , 158 gr LSWC loaded with W296 powder and magnum primer I am 68 and don’t go right to max any more just a little over starting charge.I hope that those aren't full blown Magnums!
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My father in-law got me into target shooting and reloading, that is how we always did it , a lot of rounds every time we went I don’t know any different. I did not start shooting until I was 40 so I got a late start making up for lost time LOL !!! He was a big bore guy and I am also I have his Ruger SRH 454 Casull, Magnum Research BFR in 45/70 , S&W 686 357 , S&W 629 Classic Power Port 44 magnum and several others of his plus my own I have some smaller calibers also. 9mm , 38 super , 38 special, 40 S&W, 45 auto/ auto rimmed and 45 Super plus a 357 and 44 magnum and a couple 22LR’s ..
Ruger sr22 and P89, Henry H001 and the Hammerli 215 come immediately to mind. My Dan Wesson Heritage is at about 800 rounds without a bobble or real cleaning of any type.
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Pro-Mags, for many of the pistols for which they're produced, have had many gun-owners thinking their pistols were jammomatics. Every product I've used from that company has been crap. Some folks experiences may vary.
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Thats the way I look at it too.
There are just too many factors going on here to make 100% a happening or realistic thing. Sooner or later, youre going to have an issue of some sort and you need to be prepared for that.
With that in mind, why be a part of the problem and aggravate things here, and not maintain the gun? You're just adding to the chances that there is a problem.
I think most of the guns of known quality out there, arent much of an issue here, as long as they are treated right.
Its more likely ammo, damaged, worn-out, and/or junk mags, and lack of maintenance that cause most of the issues.
Barring the occasional bad parts, you need to get well into the tens of thousands of rounds before you usually start seeing issues due to wear or breakage. At least thats been my experience.
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Except that you just admitted to owning a Keltec. I kid. I kid.
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Fortunatley, I was well warned of promag's poor quality. When i started buying aftermarket mags for my Beretta, I went with mec-gar; they've been great.
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Mec-Gar makes the best aftermarket (and in many cases, OEM) magazines in the world, especially for SIG, Beretta, Taurus and CZ pistols. Their 1911 mags ain't bad, either.
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I have plenty of reliable guns. But most impressive is a West German Sig P226 that I have had since ‘89. 10’s of thousands of rounds including several years of a steady, punishing diet of +P+ 9BPLE. Never so much as a misfeed.
As for frequency of cleaning, I figure if you are the one who paid for the gun you can clean it or not as you see fit.
As for frequency of cleaning, I figure if you are the one who paid for the gun you can clean it or not as you see fit.
My SIG P229 and CZ-75 are probably my most reliable guns - both 9mm.
For the OP, I always find boasts of not cleaning a gun to verify long-term reliability kind of strange. It's like testing the reliability of a car engine by seeing how long you can go without changing the oil. Both involve miniature explosions. Both get filthy. I value both items enough to keep them clean.
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The only semi auto I've ever owned that has had no fail of any kind with any ammo is a Sar b6. Now, with any revolver. Never. "Never = 60 yrs."
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Revolver stoppages arent all that uncommon either, and are usually pretty ugly when they do occur. And there are a number of things that can and do go bad with them. Youre generally dead in the water with them when they do too.
At least with the autos, most problems are usually solved with a quick TRB.
At least with the autos, most problems are usually solved with a quick TRB.
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Problem with revolvers is when they do fail, there is usually no quick fix.
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Only if something "breaks."
If a semi-auto "breaks," same.
Much more likely in semi-autos.
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Glock 23, both with the original .40 barrel and a KKM 9mm conversion barrel and 9mm magazines.
Colt LE6920.
Colt LE6920.
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Most of the revolver issues arent something on the gun breaking, its usually ammo and/or maintenance related. All it takes is for a round to jump a crimp, or a squib into the forcing cone, or crap under the extractor star from improper loading, etc, and youre done. If youve been shooting a revolver any length of time, youve probably encountered most of those too at some point. I shoot a bunch of different revolvers all the time, and they are not the super reliable guns you often hear thrown around, and can be a real PITA when things go south if you arent prepared for it. Certainly not something Id want to be dealing with in a gunfight.
Autos issues are usually ammo-related as well, for the most part, and arent usually a big deal, unless you get a squib. A quick TRB will have you back up and running in under a second or two.
Other than dealing with others "improvements" on used guns Ive bought, even with high round count guns, the autos are normally very reliable with good ammo, if youre buying reasonable quality stuff. The first part I ever broke on the one Glock I shoot every week in practice was a trigger return spring that went at 90K. I had another go at 120K, and eventually broke a rail at just shy of 150K. The gun was actually still functional too with things broken.
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If it's ammo related in revolver just pull the trigger again. Semi auto?, not so much.
If, If ,If.
Like I say, I've been shooting over 60 yrs.
Revolver/semi autos.
Semi autos reliable? Mostly Yes.
Revolvers reliable? Just plain ol Yes.
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Thats just it, with some of the revolver malfunctions, you arent just "pulling the trigger" again, as you cant. And youre dead in the water at that point with no real fix available to you, until you get somewhere to take care of it.
With any of them, what you likely know, is simply based on what youve learned from shooting them. You constantly hear this or that is 100% reliable, but what is that based on? One person shooting the gun 100 rounds once or twice a year? Or someone else shooting 100 rounds out of it a couple of times a week, every week? Youre likely to get two very different answers there. Neither are really wrong, but one is more right.
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